MK The Hall of Presidents closing for refurbishment on January 20, 2025

Ayla

Ayla

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BrianLo said:
You most certainly are not and have been in fact targeted fairly relentlessly for your own age on this board by many. For which I apologize on behalf of everyone who does it and commend you for remaining so mature.
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Oh god, I hate mansplainers. Speak only for yourself, please.
 
RosR9

RosR9

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I feel like this entire thread shows why the ride will probably need to go at some point. How many posts are about the actual show? The AAs? Theming? vs how many are about politics and people’s personal lives. I feel like this show causes conflicts between people in a way no other ride or show does and Disney wants to distance themselves from that
 
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Lilofan

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Baloo124 said:
Yep!

And Obama is the only living former POTUS to have stepped foot inside a Disney park.
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When I was enjoying NYE at MGM 2008 Jimmy Carter his family and Secret Service enjoyed the park. He got a standing ovation when he sat down prior to the Fantasmic show and he even rode the Coaster ride . Not bad for someone in his 80s. Trump visited the Grand Floridian a few years ago for a private fundraiser .
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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DisneyCane said:
Historical figures need to be evaluated based upon the time they lived in. You can't judge people in the past based on current standards.
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Well, yes, you can judge historical figures by current standards, and you should. You should also judge them based on their own times. Both are valid and necessary for different purposes.

And by the way, Andrew Jackson was reprehensible when judged by either standard.
 
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larryz

larryz

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Baloo124 said:
Lincoln is my favorite and I never voted for him once.
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But I love his quotes on the internet...

Meanwhile, many here seem to miss the point. HoP isn't a paean to American Presidents -- it was created to showcase Walt's audioanimatronic technology.

As I see it, Walt was just searching for a coherent storyline that would allow him to stand up a group of interacting animatronics, and he settled on displaying a laundry list of past presidents.

He could have just as easily picked Great American Baseball Teams.

But that likely would have been even MORE polarizing than the Presidents!
 
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AidenRodriguez731

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DisneyCane said:
Historical figures need to be evaluated based upon the time they lived in. You can't judge people in the past based on current standards.
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I’m going to evaluate people based on current standards because why would I not? It’s not fair to them? Cry me a river. The Trail of Tears is monstrous. I can disrespect a dead guy who killed tons of people for being different all I want.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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AidenRodriguez731 said:
I’m going to evaluate people based on current standards because why would I not? It’s not fair to them? Cry me a river. The Trail of Tears is monstrous. I can disrespect a dead guy who killed tons of people for being different all I want.
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Important footnote: People, very prominent people - John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, Davy Crockett, Ralph Waldo Emerson, etc - not to mention many Native American leaders and Christian missionaries, opposed the Trail of Tears while it was happening.

People who say “well, we have to judge historical figures by the standards of the time” almost always distort the “standards of the time” and ignore contemporary voices, no matter how numerous and well-documented, opposing the actions. Because the real point is to simply prevent any judgement at all.
 
Animaniac93-98

Animaniac93-98

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Casper Gutman said:
Of course, the president with the most profound and meaningful connection to the Disney resorts is Nixon, and I genuinely wish they would acknowledge that… though of course I know why they don’t.
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They do.

His key to Disneyland is on display in the HoP lobby and the plaque talks about how his family visited the parks the most.

Forget if it also mentions the flag he gifted to WDW for its opening, I know some Disney published books do.

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AidenRodriguez731

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Casper Gutman said:
Important footnote: People, very prominent people - John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, Davy Crockett, etc - not to mention many Native American leaders and Christian missionaries, opposed the Trail of Tears while it was happening.

People who say “well, we have to judge historical figures by the standards of the time” almost always distort the “standards of the time” and ignore contemporary voices, no matter how numerous and well-documented, opposing the actions. Because the real point is to simply prevent any judgement at all.
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100%, we didn’t just randomly gain morality. People always knew it was wrong, but their voice wasn’t listened to then and now it’s not being listened to a second time.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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Ayla said:
He also gave his "I am not a crook" speech at Contemporary Resort.
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Yes, this is the big one that needs a historical marker.

Nixon also had several former Jungle Cruise skippers on his White House staff and would reportedly have them narrate the ride when he visited Disneyland. According to legend Kissinger, who also frequently visited the park, would sometimes dress as an employee and serve popcorn to confuse guests.
 
Karakasa

Karakasa

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I fully agree with the notion that some of the men highlighted in the attraction are... well, not the best people to be celebrating, to put it nicely, given they even had a lot of contemporary critics of their horrific actions. I've never liked Jackson in particular.

But you want a cynical, business minded reason to replace?

Here's one. Disney World relies so, so heavily on not just out-of-state visitors, but tourists from out-of-country too, Canada and Quebec in particular right up there. They're already going to be feeling the hurt from Canadians deciding to boycott America as a whole. They open HoP back up with a certain person who wants to threaten Canada's sovereignty given a speaking role, well, the few Canadians who still want to visit America might just decide to go to the nice resort up the street with a brand new park with Mario and vampires and dragons. And I imagine Canadians aren't the only international guests reconsidering an America visit right now, and would be flabbergasted by Disney boasting about HoP reopening with the current president speaking.
 
Agent H

Agent H

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Karakasa said:
I fully agree with the notion that some of the men highlighted in the attraction are... well, not the best people to be celebrating, to put it nicely, given they even had a lot of contemporary critics of their horrific actions. I've never liked Jackson in particular.

But you want a cynical, business minded reason to replace?

Here's one. Disney World relies so, so heavily on not just out-of-state visitors, but tourists from out-of-country too, Canada and Quebec in particular right up there. They're already going to be feeling the hurt from Canadians deciding to boycott America as a whole. They open HoP back up with a certain person who wants to threaten Canada's sovereignty given a speaking role, well, the few Canadians who still want to visit America might just decide to go to the nice resort up the street with a brand new park with Mario and vampires and dragons. And I imagine Canadians aren't the only international guests reconsidering an America visit right now, and would be flabbergasted by Disney boasting about HoP reopening with the current president speaking.
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Yes the American adventure is probably a better way to present ourselves to international tourists.
 

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