MK The Hall of Presidents closing for refurbishment on January 20, 2025

DreamfinderGuy

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The voters while he was president (which was before I could vote) certainly thought he was great. He won 49 of 50 states for reelection.
I think our last three elections all serve as pretty concrete proof that you don't have to like the candidate you vote for. It's all about which one you hate the least!

Edit: Thought you were referring to 80, not 84. Got the two mixed up, whoops
 

Brian

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Elon Musk, for one. He won’t impress international tourists, especially from Europe.
The opinion of European guests shouldn't matter when it comes to The American Adventure. The 'golden dream' montage should highlight great Americans, of which Elon is a prime example (whether you like his politics/social views or not). He is one of the most visionary and successful Americans of our time.
 

Agent H

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The opinion of European guests shouldn't matter when it comes to The American Adventure. The 'golden dream' montage should highlight great Americans, of which Elon is a prime example (whether you like his politics/social views or not). He is one of the most visionary and successful Americans of our time.
Why should the opinion of European guests not matter?
 
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Brian

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Why should the opinion of European guests not matter?
Because it is a show about American culture and history in a theme park based in the United States. If there's a show about French culture and history in Disneyland Paris, Americans' opinions should not matter there either.
 

Agent H

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Because it is a show about American culture and history in a theme park based in the United States. If there's a show about French culture and history in Disneyland Paris, Americans' opinions should not matter there either.
The American adventure should promote the most idealistic version of America possible. Without getting into politics what did Elon musk do that was so great? Hire someone else to build a rocket ship for him? Plenty of people can and have done that.
 

Brian

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The American adventure should promote the most idealistic version of America possible. Without getting into politics what did Elon musk do that was so great? Hire someone else to build a rocket ship for him? Plenty of people can and have done that.
What did Steve Jobs do besides hire people to build him the iPhone? Does Mark Zuckeberg write every single line of code for Facebook? Both are featured alongside Elon in the montage.

It takes visionaries to direct people towards their vision, and it's often the 'crazy ones' like Elon and Steve who ultimately go down in history as successful in moving their fields forward. Obvious Elon isn't going to singlehandedly build Starship or Falcon 9, but it is his vision that drives forward the incredible innovations in space travel that SpaceX is responsible for, including making space travel sustainable and affordable. He's also responsible for making electric cars 'cool' and accessible, was pivotal in the invention of peer-to-peer online payments by helping to establish PayPal, and is helping disabled people walk and hear again through Neuralink.

One day, possibly sooner than we think, we may plant the American flag on Mars because of his vision. No, not because he's out there with his toolbelt tightening bolts and welding steel, but because he was crazy enough to say that humans can get to Mars.

If they remove him from the montage, it would certainly not be because they were wrong to include him initially, but likely motivated by his political views and involvement with the current administration.
 
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Baloo124

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Very interesting read.

Towards the bottom it says:
"Even though both Bill Clinton and George W. Bush visited Walt Disney World during their presidencies, they never actually went inside the parks. Bill Clinton actually visited the Disney Institute in 1996 while George W. Bush delivered speeches at both the Contemporary Resort in 2003 and then the Grand Floridian Resort and Spa in 2006."

So this would make Obama the only living to visit a Disney park during his presidency.
 

Agent H

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What did Steve Jobs do besides hire people to build him the iPhone? Does Mark Zuckeberg write every single line of code for Facebook? Both are featured alongside Elon in the montage.

It takes visionaries to direct people towards their vision, and it's often the 'crazy ones' like Elon and Steve who ultimately go down in history as successful in moving their fields forward. Obvious Elon isn't going to singlehandedly build Starship or Falcon 9, but it is his vision that drives forward the incredible innovations in space travel that SpaceX is responsible for, including making space travel sustainable and affordable. He's also responsible for making electric cars 'cool' and accessible, was pivotal in the invention of peer-to-peer online payments by helping to establish PayPal, and is helping disabled people walk and hear again through Neuralink.

One day, possibly sooner than we think, we may plant the American flag on Mars because of his vision. No, not because he's out there with his toolbelt tightening bolts and welding steel, but because he was crazy enough to say that humans can get to Mars.

If they remove him from the montage, it would certainly not be because they were wrong to include him initially, but likely motivated by his political views and involvement with the current administration.
1. He didn’t do anything special. He’s taken a few people to space. That’s not groundbreaking in my book. 2. You mean the cars that are exploding? 3. How about we replace him with someone less controversial? Like Walt Disney? Surely there’s a suitable clip of him saying something about America that sounds inspiring.
 

DisneyFanatic12

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How about we replace him with someone less controversial? Like Walt Disney? Surely there’s a suitable clip of him saying something about America that sounds inspiring.
Walt Disney is in the montage. Neil deGrasse Tyson is up front and center when Elon Musk is on the left, I'd argue that neither of them is *that* impactful on the history of the United States. Still, Elon Musk is currently the richest man in the world to my knowledge, and his companies have made incredible advancements. Maybe in 20 years they'll replace him with someone else who is more impactful on the history of the United States, only time will tell, but as of now I'd say that he fits in the montage.


I will add to this post real quick.... I know very little about him politically, so my opinion of his place in the montage is not based off of whatever he believes
 

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