The great "stroller" conspiracy.

[cblodg]

Has anyone seen those strollers that fold up and you can carry them on your back?

yup. Too bad we don't see too many of them though.

 

[matt_taylor1985]

I don't think we get them here in the UK.

 

[EpcoTim]

I dont think we do in the states either.

 

[cblodg]

I dont think we do in the states either.

I saw a guy using one for his daughter when we were at Disney this past February.

 

[Cindy'sBruno]

I noticed a few things about this picture:

1. I am surprised that he has a bottle of water between his legs and not pop.
2. His right hand contains no food but the kid seems to be making eating motions. So, either you photoshopped out the deepfried butter stick he was consuming or he is so used to eating he just makes nibbling motions at the air all day.
3. Those are some sparkling clean shoes that have not seen much walking. They look like they just came out of the box before the parents set him into the stroller.

THAT WAS VERY RUDE OF YOU BTW!

 

[JWG]

This thread has hit the pooper.

 

[SAV]

Hi, my name is Jakeman and yes, yes I do have a problem with strollers, and I agree with your assessment of my opinion. However, it is no more ignorant than you assuming my ignorance.

I don't. I didn't when I was a child, neither did my sister, or pretty much millions of kids who have gone to the parks just fine without a stroller before they became a pandemic.

No, I was a normal kid then and I'm an average, slightly pudgy adult now.

I wonder what we did in the thousands of years before there were strollers. It is a wonder the human race survived through its nomadic time.

Your "caring" for your child is inconveniencing me. Just because something isn't outlawed doesn't make it a good idea. Gluing Cabbage Patch doll-heads to my Jeep isn't against the law, but I don't think that it's a good idea and it probably would make others uncomfortable. I am current not aware that such a position is available in his Cabinet. If this is correct, I would be the first to apply. I can say it's to big, because it is evolutionary ineffecient for a 20 pound kid to need 40 pounds worth of supplies to make it through a day. The human race would have never survived on that ratio.

I would walk in your shoes, but I can't get mine off because the ankles have been ravaged by strollers. If your 8 year old needs to ride in a stroller you should re-evaluate the need for a Disney vacation. Yes, I said that. Yes, I realize it is cold, heartless, and insensitive, but it's pretty much reality.

It sounds like you are more concerned with them interupting your vacation checklist then any real concern for their stamina.

My kids are no more important than yours, except it seems to me that if a tiger got loose in MK, my kids will have a head start because they wouldn't have to roll out of a stroller.

It is hard to understand why there are so many strollers in FL when there where hardly any at all 15-20 years ago.

Well if we are going to have that discussion, I should probably just load my 40 inch TV on a dolly and plug it into an outlet in the middle of Main Street so I don't miss the game on Sunday. You know, since no one can really tell me what to do.

You don't need 7 bottles of water in a cooler. I am saying that you are wrong. Your convenient way of transporting water takes up the space that two adults could be occupying. Your 7 bottles of water has effectly reduced the capacity of Magic Kingdom by two. If everyone thought like you did, only 33% of the people who can currently access Magic Kingdom would be able to, but that water is nice a cool. It's a shame there is no free water, from like a fountain or anything...

How big are the goldfish? To say that you need a stroller and now a cooler to transport 1 bag of goldfish seems a bit excessive.

Strangely enough, neither have I...

Perhaps you should start a thread about "People with legs cause problems". I would be interested in the response you get.

I am thinking. I think about this every time I'm hit with a stroller. I think about this every time I see a registered voter in a stroller directing his mom to get him a soda because he is too busy double fisting turkey legs blocking the bathroom entrance.

The bottom line is this, you don't need a stroller past a certain age unless there is a disability. You may want a stroller for any number of self-centered and selfish reasons, but don't hide behind a guise of responsible parenting.

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

"If your 8 year old needs to ride in a stroller you should re-evaluate the need for a Disney vacation. Yes, I said that. Yes, I realize it is cold, heartless, and insensitive, but it's pretty much reality."

Wow...just wow. I think you are really just trolling to troll. You can't really believe this...can you?

Believe it or not, it is their vacation too. Yes they are actually little people who want to see the wonders of Disney World. Not just 50 pound bags of sand we vicious ankle bashing stroller pushing parents put in there for extra weight to crush your pudgy ankles. They are people who are walking twice the amount that you are walking with your pudgy longer legs. It's OK for them to be tired and to get a ride for a while. Really it is. And she doesn't NEED to ride in a stroller, she is a very healthy and athletic young girl who is a sports nut. Plays all of them and has alot of endurance. Sometimes she wants to get a break from walking for a while and jumps in while the little guy wants to get out and walk around. It's really ok for them to do that.

"It is hard to understand why there are so many strollers in FL when there where hardly any at all 15-20 years ago."

Well, there are now 4 parks instead of 3, so that may add a few more right there. Air travel has become more affordable now than back then, so that probably adds a few more there too. Vehicles are more efficient and larger, so more people can drive down and bring their ankle crusher(stroller) with them...yep you guessed it...a few more there. Everything is more convenient now, so there's another reason...do I need to keep listing them or are you finding it a little easier to understand now?
"You don't need 7 bottles of water in a cooler. I am saying that you are wrong. Your convenient way of transporting water takes up the space that two adults could be occupying." " It's a shame there is no free water, from like a fountain or anything..."

Do you think I am carrying 7 - 5 gallon jugs of water? That may be the equivalent of 2 people, but 7 bottles in a 12x8x7 cooler is quite a bit smaller than that...get a grip. Really. Since we have the extra room in the bottom basket, we bring them along for our convenience. It has absolutely no impact to anyone else...actually it does. It keeps us out of the concession lines so you can get up there quicker. So it is really an asset for us to bring a cooler. And I never said the "40 pounds worth of supplies" as you call it (nice overexaggeration there to try to make your point) is for only one person, it's for all of us to share. It actually saves us money...again get a grip. I'm sure you'll come back with the "Well, if you can't afford it, you shouldn't go" cold, heartless and insensitive comment. But luckily, you don't make the rules for Disney World.

"It sounds like you are more concerned with them interupting your vacation checklist then any real concern for their stamina."

Not in the least. I have been many times and seen everything. It is really about them getting to do and see everything they want to. And to do that, you have to keep them moving along. As we all know there is alot to do and see in the parks. Again...take into consideration their size and how many steps for them compared to you.

"How big are the goldfish? To say that you need a stroller and now a cooler to transport 1 bag of goldfish seems a bit excessive."

Are you serious? Again...we dont' NEED the stroller to put these things in. The stroller is there, so we utilize that space...why can't you understand that? Seriously now...get a grip. Why have a backpack when one isn't needed? Those things are dangerous with people whipping them around without regard for anyone else. And if they have a bottle of water or camera or guide book or something they bought in a store in there...watch out. Concussion city. Much worse than a "wittle bumpy on youw ankwle"
and finally this gem: "The bottom line is this, you don't need a stroller past a certain age unless there is a disability. You may want a stroller for any number of self-centered and selfish reasons, but don't hide behind a guise of responsible parenting."

And I will throw that back at you with The bottom line is this, you don't need to go to Disney World. You may want to go there for a number of self-centered and selfish reasons, but don't think it is your right to go there. You have a choice to make. If the strollers bug you so much, go somewhere else.

"it seems to me that if a tiger got loose in MK, my kids will have a head start because they wouldn't have to roll out of a stroller." You're probably right, but they would probably be parent less because you wouldn't be able to run away with your mangled ankles. You would probably fall down and smack your head and then you would get in the way of me and my stroller, which would cause a major back up and the tiger would run face first into the back of someone behind us in all that mess and knock itself out. Or get its paws on one of the Brazillian Tour groups. Plenty for it to dine on there.

So in reality, strollers are a good thing...they would save your life in the event of a rogue tiger attack in the World. Possibly take out some of the Brazillians. Not to mention they also save you from a concussion from a flying back pack attack.

We're the we vicious ankle bashing stroller pushing parents and we're here to STAY!!! :lol:

And to steal a Jackie Mason line from the Steve Martin classic, The Jerk..."I never saw someone get so excited about nothing".

It's ashame that you will never be able to enjoy Disney World Jake, because Disney is a kids place and kids ride in strollers that aren't going away. Hope you can some day.

Have a magical day!!!

 

[SAV]

It's not always a race. The parks are more enjoyable when you aren't flying full speed through them....for me anyway. My absolute FAVORITE vacation to Disney was when I singlehandedly (my husband was deployed) brought my then 4 and 6 year olds to WDW for the week with no stroller and we simply held hands, meandered around, and spent some real QUALITY time together.




I don't know how many kids you have, but I have 2. I also have 2 hands. I have taken my kids by myself to the parks several times over the last couple years without a stroller. One kid holds one hand, the other kid holds the other hand. And yes, we do this all day, every day at the parks. And yes, our hands get sweaty, but that's life. And I'm just one parent. When my husband is with me, we each get a FREE HAND!



There's always....conversation? This is how I amuse my children in line. I talk to them. I mean, isn't that what vacations are for? It's one thing if you're talking about infants, but I'm just guessing from your post that you're talking about children ages 5+ who can talk, or else you would not be offended right now. A couple weeks ago I took my 8 year old son to Disneyland and we waited 2 hours to ride Space Mountain - and it was probably the best 2 hours I've ever spent with him. I mean, how often do you actually get to have the excuse to do nothing except enjoy your children's company?




I guess I would have to specifically know what you are referring to here.

I have taken my kids to Disney at ages 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and 8. I have taken my kids to Disney in January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, and December. I have taken my kids with 4 adults to help and I have taken them completely on my own. I have gone to Disney for 1 day, and I have gone for 12 days, and everything in between. I have waited in 1 minute lines with my children, and I have waited in 2 hour lines with them.

So I am just curious....what it is that is unique about your situation and your children that would cause them to need strollers more than any other children would? And maybe you do have a legitimate reason.

But so far it sounds like your reasons for putting them in strollers are: 1.You want to make sure you can do the parks at full speed without having to walk at a child's pace. 2. You don't want to have to buy water bottles in the parks or rent a locker so you need your stroller to carry all the water around for you (though - Disney will give you as much free ice water as you want if you just ask them - we never carry water into the parks for this reason). 3. You don't want to be responsible for keeping your kids entertained in a line so you need the stroller to lug around toys.

There's just a huge difference between "convenience" and "necessity" and sometimes the more convenient option is not always the most satisfying one. I know I was afraid to try Disney without a stroller for the first time when my daughter was 4, but when I did it, I realized all the stroller did was put a barrier between my kids and I that truly limited our "together" time. Ditching the stroller increased our enjoyment of the parks a million percent.

And just for the record...I am the one who has to KEEP UP WITH my 8 year old. He can go non-stop for miles and miles from sunrise to sunset and does not get tired. He would probably laugh his head off if I suggested he sit in a stroller.

Well, Laura. I'm glad you had your kumbaya trip and meandered about and had Quality time together. We choose to tour at a quicker pace and still have a grand old time. So your condescending attitude is unneccesary. While you may deem the hand holding as an appropriate way of keeping track of your child, I prefer the method I employ. There isn't a right or wrong way, it's personal preference. I prefer having a stroller.

And who's offended? I just can't believe people are so out of whack over people using strollers. Is it that hard to believe that there are strollers at WDW? And you would be incorrect in your assumption. We bring the stroller for the 4 yo, not the 8yo. She may jump in, but who is to say its right or wrong as to who rides in it. Nobody is. That's the point. So many people are all high and mighty about what is "right". It's not up to all of these people who are complaining about strollers to deem it right. Just like I don't start a thread about self centered people who run in front of my stroller and cut me off. It's part of touring the parks. Do I like the chanting of the Brazillians...Nope, but if you go in July/August, you should expect them and not get bent out of shape over it. Do you like 100+ degree opressive heat? If not, then don't go in July/August. If you do, expect the heat. If you go to the World...expect strollers.

Umm..who said I need them more than anyone else? Never said that. It's not a unique situation at all. I bring one because that's what our family prefers to do. I don't really care what other family's choose to do. If you don't bring one...great. Hold sweaty hands until your heart's content. Bond like you never bonded before. If you do bring one, I understand why you do. Go for it. It's for each person to decide.

And do you think we are bringing board games, an extra large play house/tent and a 42" TV with an Wii to "entertain" them in line? As I told my buddy Jake...get a grip. We have little Disney toys and activity books to make the wait seem a little less excessive. Our 4 yo doesn't want to just talk for an hour in a line, he gets antsy. To save the people around us from hearing whining for an extended period, we use these items. Again, if you can get away with talking for that time...good for you. I know that you are in the minority...just look around at the line queues.

I'm on vacation and I really don't have to weigh convenience and neccessity to please anyone else. You can be judgemental, while I enjoy my trip. Soon enough we will be stroller less, so it really doesn't matter.

And your list of 3 reasons is out there. We bring a stroller because we prefer to. Since we have the space we utilize it. And to the contrary, we are being "responsible for entertaining them" by bringing things with. It would be irresponsible to have nothing with and then having to subject everyone around with whining children. So please stop with the condescending "you're better than me" attitude. You choose to do it your way...I do it my way. I don't criticize you for how you do it, so leave me the hell alone.

I would suggest that you do get into better shape if your 8yo has more endurance and can out last you. That just isn't healthy.

Have a magical Day!!!

 

[The Mom]

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