The great "stroller" conspiracy.

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marcriss

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How can you look autistic?

Depending on where you are on the spectrum there are facial characteristics...not everyone has them, and not all are called "autistic", but certain disorders do have physical traits.

And for the record, I'm not saying he is autistic. I'd be horrified if people were talking about my kid the way some people are. What I'm saying is that we have no idea what his story is. He's a child, and he only has so much control over his situation.
 

jakeman

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Depending on where you are on the spectrum there are facial characteristics...not everyone has them, and not all are called "autistic", but certain disorders do have physical traits.

And for the record, I'm not saying he is autistic. I'd be horrified if people were talking about my kid the way some people are. What I'm saying is that we have no idea what his story is. He's a child, and he only has so much control over his situation.
It's almost never about the child. It is almost always the poor decisions of the parent.

Let's assume he has almost every affliction imaginable.

Why did is parents cram him into a stroller built for someone a quarter of his size?
 

marcriss

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No there is a straight up increase in strollers. Safaris used to have one area for strollers that would overflow only on the busiest days. Now they have two, both of which I have seen full on what I would consider average days (non holidays).

There are also more people in the parks than there used to be. I long for the days when you could just walk and not have a mass of people around, and I travel off peak.

Interesting that you say you can't know what someone needs by looking at them and then proceed to tell us what the kid in the picture could need.

See my later post, I'm not saying he is. My point is that no one knows what his story is.

If a child needs a stroller due to a medical condition, why would you take a chance on an unfamiliar Disney stroller that may not meet your needs? Why wouldn't an 8 year old be in a wheelchair, or scooter? Seems like all but the smallest 8 years would be too big. Now everyone feel free to post that your 8 year old is Smurf size.

Why anyone would choose a Disney stroller is beyond me. You can't take a nap in a wheelchair or scooter. My kids are bigger than average. People like to assume they are older and should act accordingly.

I agree with all your points here and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

I'll let you know how to subscribe, I have other resrtictions but I didn't want to offend:)

In general yes. They also need to take more responsbility for their family and be more aware of their surroundings.
Agreed. People with and without strollers.
 

maggiegrace1

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No there is a straight up increase in strollers. Safaris used to have one area for strollers that would overflow only on the busiest days. Now they have two, both of which I have seen full on what I would consider average days (non holidays).

Interesting that you say you can't know what someone needs by looking at them and then proceed to tell us what the kid in the picture could need.

If a child needs a stroller due to a medical condition, why would you take a chance on an unfamiliar Disney stroller that may not meet your needs? Why wouldn't an 8 year old be in a wheelchair, or scooter? Seems like all but the smallest 8 years would be too big. Now everyone feel free to post that your 8 year old is Smurf size.

I agree with all your points here and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

In general yes. They also need to take more responsbility for their family and be more aware of their surroundings.
:ROFLOL:
Maggie is smurf size but she is just 4...:shrug::D

We still use a stroller for her but she is really small...her little legs would not be able to keep up with us in the parks at all..and to carry her the whole day is not an option..she may only be 25 lbs but she does get heavy after a while..we do use a small stroller and only carry a bag witha change of clothes and some snacks for her...

I do not ever really notice strollers or stroller parking either...my rose colored glasses are usually on full force while I am at WDW..:lol:
 

marcriss

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It's almost never about the child. It is almost always the poor decisions of the parent.

Let's assume he has almost every affliction imaginable.

Why did is parents cram him into a stroller built for someone a quarter of his size?

Why do people where socks and sandals? Why do they stop dead in the middle of a crowded walkway?
 

WDWLOVER1957

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There are so many things in your statement that are patently ridiculous. .

As far as your need to bring drinks and snacks, and whatever else you jam onto the back of your stroller. Try putting on a backpack. You probably don't notice it, but lots of people in the park wear backpacks to carry theirs and their children's things. The reason backpacks go unnoticed is because they don't hinder anyone else's ability to enjoy themselves QUOTE]

Last year my wife got smacked in the face by a backpack as large as the suitcases we travel with, the only time she has needed treatment in Disney strangly she never got hit by a stroller, backpacks dont go unnoticed by many and it certainly hindered her holiday , so should we ban backpacks over a certain size, as for saying others statments are ridiculous you should take a look at your own, and before you reply, I have no children, but if others choose to put their kids in one I'm ok with that. in case you forgot it is Disney what did Walt say, I want to build a place for the family to go:)
 

Laura

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The kid in the pic looks like he could be autistic to me. He could still run around and annoy people, but he'd also be more prone to wandering off or just getting separated in a mass of people (even if it was a stroller free society).

How can you look autistic?

Depending on where you are on the spectrum there are facial characteristics.

:confused:

How can there be "facial characteristics" of a social disorder?

Anyway, this thread was a good discussion, now it's just gone whacky. Charging people per the square foot of space they take up in the park is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. And looking at a pic of a kid in a stroller and assuming that he has autism or cancer is the second most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. :hammer:
 

marcriss

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:confused:

How can there be "facial characteristics" of a social disorder?

Anyway, this thread was a good discussion, now it's just gone whacky. Charging people per the square foot of space they take up in the park is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. And looking at a pic of a kid in a stroller and assuming that he has autism or cancer is the second most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. :hammer:


Autism is more than a social disorder, look up Fragile X syndrome. And looking at a kid and assuming they have autism or cancer is no more ridiculous than passing judgement on them without knowing what their story is.
 
:confused:

How can there be "facial characteristics" of a social disorder?

Anyway, this thread was a good discussion, now it's just gone whacky. Charging people per the square foot of space they take up in the park is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. And looking at a pic of a kid in a stroller and assuming that he has autism or cancer is the second most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. :hammer:

If you think this is screwed up, you should check out the Typhoon Lagoon thread - :brick:
 

captain marvel1

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i have autism my fiance has autism down syndrome. so not everyone has to be in a wheel chair or stroller. quit judging us we dont like it. we dont call you ugly. so stop make unflattering comments about us.
 
i have autism my fiance has autism down syndrome. so not everyone has to be in a wheel chair or stroller. quit judging us we dont like it. we dont call you ugly. so stop make unflattering comments about us.

I suppose at least you CAN tell if someone is ugly by looking at them, so it's more cut and dry in that respect :brick:
 

captain marvel1

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well thank you Mr obvious

Autism - Symptoms




Core symptoms

The severity of symptoms varies greatly between individuals, but all people with autism have some core symptoms in the areas of:
  • Social interactions and relationships. Symptoms may include:
    • Significant problems developing nonverbal communication skills, such as eye-to-eye gazing, facial expressions, and body posture.
    • Failure to establish friendships with children the same age.
    • Lack of interest in sharing enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people.
    • Lack of empathy. People with autism may have difficulty understanding another person's feelings, such as pain or sorrow.
    <LI sizcache="7" sizset="126">Verbal and nonverbal communication. Symptoms may include:
    • Delay in, or lack of, learning to talk. As many as 40% of people with autism never speak.1
    • Problems taking steps to start a conversation. Also, people with autism have difficulties continuing a conversation after it has begun.
    • Stereotyped and repetitive use of language. People with autism often repeat over and over a phrase they have heard previously (echolalia).
    • Difficulty understanding their listener's perspective. For example, a person with autism may not understand that someone is using humor. They may interpret the communication word for word and fail to catch the implied meaning.
    Limited interests in activities or play. Symptoms may include:
    • An unusual focus on pieces. Younger children with autism often focus on parts of toys, such as the wheels on a car, rather than playing with the entire toy.
    • Preoccupation with certain topics. For example, older children and adults may be fascinated by video games, trading cards, or license plates.
    • A need for sameness and routines. For example, a child with autism may always need to eat bread before salad and insist on driving the same route every day to school.
    • Stereotyped behaviors. These may include body rocking and hand flapping.
Symptoms during childhood

Symptoms of autism are usually noticed first by parents and other caregivers sometime during the child's first 3 years. Although autism is present at birth (congenital), signs of the disorder can be difficult to identify or diagnose during infancy. Parents often become concerned when their toddler does not like to be held; does not seem interested in playing certain games, such as peekaboo; and does not begin to talk. Sometimes, a child will start to talk at the same time as other children the same age, then lose his or her language skills. They also may be confused about their child's hearing abilities. It often seems that a child with autism does not hear, yet at other times, he or she may appear to hear a distant background noise, such as the whistle of a train.
With early and intensive treatment, most children improve their ability to relate to others, communicate, and help themselves as they grow older. Contrary to popular myths about children with autism, very few are completely socially isolated or "live in a world of their own."
Symptoms during teen years



Autism - Symptoms

(continued)

continued...

During the teen years, the patterns of behavior often change. Many teens gain skills but still lag behind in their ability to relate to and understand others. Puberty and emerging sexuality may be more difficult for teens who have autism than for others this age. Teens are at an increased risk for developing problems related to depression, anxiety, and epilepsy.
Symptoms in adulthood

Some adults with autism are able to work and live on their own. The degree to which an adult with autism can lead an independent life is related to intelligence and ability to communicate. At least 33% are able to achieve at least partial independence.2
Some adults with autism need a lot of assistance, especially those with low intelligence who are unable to speak. Part- or full-time supervision can be provided by residential treatment programs. At the other end of the spectrum, adults with high-functioning autism are often successful in their professions and able to live independently, although they typically continue to have some difficulties relating to other people. These individuals usually have average to above-average intelligence.
Other symptoms

Many people with autism have symptoms similar to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). But these symptoms, especially problems with social relationships, are more severe for people with autism. For more information, see the topic Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.
About 10% of people with autism have some form of savant skills-special limited gifts such as memorizing lists, calculating calendar dates, drawing, or musical ability.1
Many people with autism have unusual sensory perceptions. For example, they may describe a light touch as painful and deep pressure as providing a calming feeling. Others may not feel pain at all. Some people with autism have strong food likes and dislikes and unusual preoccupations.
Sleep problems occur in about 40% to 70% of people with autism.3
Other conditions

Autism is one of several types of pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs), also called autism spectrum disorders (ASD). It is not unusual for autism to be confused with other PDDs, such as Asperger's disorder or syndrome, or to have overlapping symptoms. A similar condition is called pervasive developmental disorder-NOS (not otherwise specified). PDD-NOS occurs when children display similar behaviors but do not meet the criteria for autism. It is commonly called just PDD. In addition, other conditions with similar symptoms may also have similarities to or occur with autism.
 

TURKEY

New Member
well thank you Mr obvious

Autism - Symptoms




Core symptoms

The severity of symptoms varies greatly between individuals, but all people with autism have some core symptoms in the areas of:
  • Social interactions and relationships. Symptoms may include:
    • Significant problems developing nonverbal communication skills, such as eye-to-eye gazing, facial expressions, and body posture.
    • Failure to establish friendships with children the same age.
    • Lack of interest in sharing enjoyment, interests, or achievements with other people.
    • Lack of empathy. People with autism may have difficulty understanding another person's feelings, such as pain or sorrow.
    <LI sizcache="7" sizset="126">Verbal and nonverbal communication. Symptoms may include:
    • Delay in, or lack of, learning to talk. As many as 40% of people with autism never speak.1
    • Problems taking steps to start a conversation. Also, people with autism have difficulties continuing a conversation after it has begun.
    • Stereotyped and repetitive use of language. People with autism often repeat over and over a phrase they have heard previously (echolalia).
    • Difficulty understanding their listener's perspective. For example, a person with autism may not understand that someone is using humor. They may interpret the communication word for word and fail to catch the implied meaning.
    Limited interests in activities or play. Symptoms may include:
    • An unusual focus on pieces. Younger children with autism often focus on parts of toys, such as the wheels on a car, rather than playing with the entire toy.
    • Preoccupation with certain topics. For example, older children and adults may be fascinated by video games, trading cards, or license plates.
    • A need for sameness and routines. For example, a child with autism may always need to eat bread before salad and insist on driving the same route every day to school.
    • Stereotyped behaviors. These may include body rocking and hand flapping.
Symptoms during childhood

Symptoms of autism are usually noticed first by parents and other caregivers sometime during the child's first 3 years. Although autism is present at birth (congenital), signs of the disorder can be difficult to identify or diagnose during infancy. Parents often become concerned when their toddler does not like to be held; does not seem interested in playing certain games, such as peekaboo; and does not begin to talk. Sometimes, a child will start to talk at the same time as other children the same age, then lose his or her language skills. They also may be confused about their child's hearing abilities. It often seems that a child with autism does not hear, yet at other times, he or she may appear to hear a distant background noise, such as the whistle of a train.
With early and intensive treatment, most children improve their ability to relate to others, communicate, and help themselves as they grow older. Contrary to popular myths about children with autism, very few are completely socially isolated or "live in a world of their own."
Symptoms during teen years



Autism - Symptoms

(continued)

continued...

During the teen years, the patterns of behavior often change. Many teens gain skills but still lag behind in their ability to relate to and understand others. Puberty and emerging sexuality may be more difficult for teens who have autism than for others this age. Teens are at an increased risk for developing problems related to depression, anxiety, and epilepsy.
Symptoms in adulthood

Some adults with autism are able to work and live on their own. The degree to which an adult with autism can lead an independent life is related to intelligence and ability to communicate. At least 33% are able to achieve at least partial independence.2
Some adults with autism need a lot of assistance, especially those with low intelligence who are unable to speak. Part- or full-time supervision can be provided by residential treatment programs. At the other end of the spectrum, adults with high-functioning autism are often successful in their professions and able to live independently, although they typically continue to have some difficulties relating to other people. These individuals usually have average to above-average intelligence.
Other symptoms

Many people with autism have symptoms similar to attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). But these symptoms, especially problems with social relationships, are more severe for people with autism. For more information, see the topic Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.
About 10% of people with autism have some form of savant skills-special limited gifts such as memorizing lists, calculating calendar dates, drawing, or musical ability.1
Many people with autism have unusual sensory perceptions. For example, they may describe a light touch as painful and deep pressure as providing a calming feeling. Others may not feel pain at all. Some people with autism have strong food likes and dislikes and unusual preoccupations.
Sleep problems occur in about 40% to 70% of people with autism.3
Other conditions

Autism is one of several types of pervasive developmental disorders (PDDs), also called autism spectrum disorders (ASD). It is not unusual for autism to be confused with other PDDs, such as Asperger's disorder or syndrome, or to have overlapping symptoms. A similar condition is called pervasive developmental disorder-NOS (not otherwise specified). PDD-NOS occurs when children display similar behaviors but do not meet the criteria for autism. It is commonly called just PDD. In addition, other conditions with similar symptoms may also have similarities to or occur with autism.


Nothing here talks about a physical deformity that is easily detectable and easily identifiable as autism.
 

GenerationX

Well-Known Member
What Disney really needs to do is provide Smart Strollers for guests. A Smart Stroller weighs the guest riding, calculates the size of loaded packages, and interprets/evaluates the discussion of the people pushing the stroller. If the Smart Stroller determines the guests do not deserve the stroller, it berates them and ejects the occupants. The Smart Stroller then breaks into a superiority dance.
 

EpcoTim

Well-Known Member
What Disney really needs to do is provide Smart Strollers for guests. A Smart Stroller weighs the guest riding, calculates the size of loaded packages, and interprets/evaluates the discussion of the people pushing the stroller. If the Smart Stroller determines the guests do not deserve the stroller, it berates them and ejects the occupants. The Smart Stroller then breaks into a superiority dance.

This would be great to have follow during a drinking around the world blowout. Having a ____*t talking stroller follow you around winging insults as you get more and more plastered. Sign me up.
 

cblodg

Member
What Disney really needs to do is provide Smart Strollers for guests. A Smart Stroller weighs the guest riding, calculates the size of loaded packages, and interprets/evaluates the discussion of the people pushing the stroller. If the Smart Stroller determines the guests do not deserve the stroller, it berates them and ejects the occupants. The Smart Stroller then breaks into a superiority dance.
Me likey! :D
 
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