The Gaming Industry: The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly

Mike S

Mike S

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AEfx

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Mike S said:
If anyone is taking it further than what I outlined then what can I say. They’re wrong. DLC is not inherently evil.

Oh and you completely ignored my other points and I can’t have that. Do you not have an answer?
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I did, you just didn't like the answer. Using your own argument, in fact. I am not going to sit here and get into the weeds, and spend my time going over every single game that has DLC. It's completely irrelevant to the point and I don't care. You just like to use me as a way to make points that have nothing to do with what we are talking about.

If you are fine with it - okay. No need to argue further. But the people you are referring to and taking your arguments from think very, very differently. Just go to reddit and see. This entire system to let the people who want to spend more money spend it was a direct result of all the complaining people have done about DLC/Season Passes by making it completely optional.

Mike S said:
Stupid people will do stupid things. I still don’t think it would go any further than it already has with stupid news stories.
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People are demanding government get involved. You yourself gleefully posted about it earlier. As you said, they are already getting tracking with the "gambling" aspect. You said it will only be that they look in to. You couldn't be more wrong. Mark my words, people keep pushing it - you won't like the outcome.

Mike S said:
Yes. A recent independent developer known as Ninja Theory recently proved this with their recent self published and successful “I can’t believe it’s not a AAA game” Hellblade: Senua’s Sacrifice. Sadly some devs still go to the big publishers. This says nothing of other indie or small dev success stories like Minecraft, FNAF, PUBG, etc.
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And? What does that have to do with the developers who do sell out that you then make the victims?

Mike S said:
@The_Jobu handled this one nicely.
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I wouldn't know. I have that troll on ignore. How very SJW of you to rely on someone else to explain your behavior.
 
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AEfx

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Mike S said:
*sigh* No answer then.
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Stop acting like a child.

Ask me a direct question and I'll answer it. The way you write and bury rhetorical questions "whattabout, whattabout", I honestly don't know what supposed question you are trolling about. If you are still stuck on "why this game and not others" I already answered it - Star Wars. Duh. Same reason people threw a fit over BF1 having an expensive season pass, even though other games did it, as well. Same answer you gave yourself earlier in the thread, for that matter.
 
Mike S

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AEfx said:
Stop acting like a child.

Ask me a direct question and I'll answer it. The way you write and bury rhetorical questions "whattabout, whattabout", I honestly don't know what supposed question you are trolling about. If you are still stuck on "why this game and not others" I already answered it - Star Wars. Duh. Same reason people threw a fit over BF1 having an expensive season pass, even though other games did it, as well. Same answer you gave yourself earlier in the thread, for that matter.
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Still ignoring the difference in perceived value of different games and how they handle DLC. There’s a right way to do it that doesn’t make people mad. That was my point.

And the question I was referring to was my point on the original Battlefront and how lacking people felt it was in addition to the $50 season pass. Do you agree or disagree with the point I made?
The reason the original EA Battlefront got so much flak is because the main game felt very lacking in content like maps and game modes. Also $50 is outrageous. I guarantee you if the original game launched on day 1 with the same amount of content that Battlefront 2 has on day 1 (minus the lootbox based progression system) there would’ve been a much smaller outcry over the season pass.
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AEfx

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Mike S said:
Still ignoring the difference in perceived value of different games and how they handle DLC. There’s a right way to do it that doesn’t make people mad. That was my point.
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And your point about you personally does not apply to "people". If that's how you feel - wonderful. Awesome. No need to keep arguing with me about it. But I would disagree that your beliefs reflect the thousands of postings I have read on this topic and this game. As I have said repeatedly, go look at the Battlefront Reddit - it's full of people just as full of anger as before they took the crystals away. None of them are saying "give us DLC instead!" They want a $60 game with long-term post-launch support, and that's their "final demand".

I have seen controversy about many games lately and this topic. There are some that people off less than others. There are also an awful lot of people who think you should pay one $60 price and never pay anything again. I don't understand what you are arguing here.

Not to mention, there really is no way to do "customization" monetization with a Star Wars game where you mostly play troopers - there are only so many hero costumes, and if you knew as much about the last game as you think you do, you would know that people rallied AGAINST customization of troopers because it was non-canon - which is why they ended up mostly removing customization from BF1 (unhelmeted troopers, etc.) at a certain point post-launch because people were so against it. They have said they are going to add some limited customization to this game, but there is no way that there would be enough of it to get people to actually be spending the money it is going to take to keep up two years of post-launch content.

Mike S said:
And the question I was referring to was my point on the original Battlefront and how lacking people felt it was in addition to the $50 season pass. Do you agree or disagree with the point I made?
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Here again with "people". The world is not black and white. And since you are talking about games you never owned, you simply don't understand the nuances to the discussions you have observed. Personally, I disagree that it was "lacking" - I played 100's of hours and had a mostly great time.

The majority of people who claimed it was "lacking" were complaining because it wasn't the game they wanted them to make. They wanted some offline single player game like the old LucasArts Battlefront games, not a multiplayer online game. That was largely separate from the folks who were complaining about DLC/Season Passes in general.

And again, we are talking about the "online gaming community" - not the general public. The first game still managed to sell over 14 million copies. Clearly, they didn't feel it was "lacking".
 
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spacemt354

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Nice thread, @Mike S !

First time posting down here - up front I don't play video games that much, but if I do it's mainly sports games and Star Wars.

Offering a brief review of Battlefront II -- it's pretty great. In the few hours with it so far today, it's a vast improvement over Battlefront, and the multiplayer reminds me of the old Battlefront games from the mid-2000s. Campaign is pretty interesting, just okay though, not Kotor level but I wasn't expecting it to be -- though some fan theories seem to think Iden is Rey's mother?o_O

Lastly, EA really went full Scrooge McDuck on this didn't they?

When Bob Iger of all people has to call you out for your money hungry ways...you really messed up:hilarious:
 
ShoalFox

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AEfx said:
After how hard-core Nintendo screwed over digital Wii U owners, leaving me with a brick of a system with $2000 of software forever locked in it, I put nothing past them whatsoever.
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What are you talking about here? The only thing Nintendo has done with the Wii U to my knowledge is shut down Miiverse.
 
Mike S

Mike S

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spacemt354 said:
Nice thread, @Mike S !

First time posting down here - up front I don't play video games that much, but if I do it's mainly sports games and Star Wars.

Offering a brief review of Battlefront II -- it's pretty great. In the few hours with it so far today, it's a vast improvement over Battlefront, and the multiplayer reminds me of the old Battlefront games from the mid-2000s. Campaign is pretty interesting, just okay though, not Kotor level but I wasn't expecting it to be -- though some fan theories seem to think Iden is Rey's mother?o_O

Lastly, EA really went full Scrooge McDuck on this didn't they?

When Bob Iger of all people has to call you out for your money hungry ways...you really messed up:hilarious:
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Just sports and Star Wars? That’s even more limited than my tastes lol.

The consensus of BF2 seems generally positive but this whole fiasco fudged everything up. Some reviews from big sites (not user reviews) gave it average reviews at best like IGN’s 6.5. EA totally screwed the pooch on this one. I’m waiting to see how it sells after all this. If it was still really good we’d likely know on Monday. Publishers love revealing great first weekend sales.
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What are you talking about here? The only thing Nintendo has done with the Wii U to my knowledge is shut down Miiverse.
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He’s likely referring to Nintendo’s lack of a unifying account system like PlayStation and Xbox have which tie your digital purchases to an account rather than the system. Something I actually agree is stupid but we don’t know what their plans are going forward with this as they have given players the ability to link their Nintendo Network account from 3DS and Wii U to Switch but other than easily becoming friends with people from those systems friends list and I think linking eShop funds across all three (I know that works between Wii U and 3DS at least) nothing has come of it. Hopefully we get something when they reveal the full plans for paid online.
 
DisneyRoy

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I bought BFII yest, damn it looks pretty on my setup, only playing SP Campaign atm and am enjoying it
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No doubt it's a fun game. I'm having a blast with it. Just a shame EA had to pull those tricks with the gamers. Hate to see where this road is going. I have a feeling this is going to affect the "free" DLC we see along the way.
 
Mike S

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Any SEGA fans out there? I’ve heard of this series before and this announcement seemed like a big deal.
 
Mike S

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In the UK physical sales were down 61% from the first game and it got beat in this weeks sales by Call of Duty WWII, a game on its third week. Considering it’s Star Wars this is about as much as you can ask for.
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/top-10-uk-sales-chart-star-wars-battlefront-2-fail/1100-6455090/
I’m happy. This teaches EA a very important lesson. Without all the controversy this game could’ve easily sold much better :)

In other news, is this just a coincidence? ;)
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...payback-loot-crates-progression-more-generous

Edit: More on CD Projekt RED as well.
 
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