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PeterAlt

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Because there are still a handful of people who refuse to grasp the reality of the situation no matter how many times it is spelled out for them.

Hey, I know. Maybe Disney can build a monorail to Islands of Adventure. Problem solved. They can even annex Harry Potter.
I know you're joking but that's actually a good idea!
 

lebeau

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How is it not like Looney Tunes? The history parallels the current situation so much that it's almost scary. WB benefited because the value of those characters shot up so much so fast, the payoff was quick and big.

Because the value of the Marvel characters is unlikely to increase. Because Disney doesn't need and isn't interested in the Marvel theme park rights in FL. (see above) Because Disney's interest was in the movies, the merchandise, cartoons and video games which they already own. Because Disney is already making a steady stream of income off of the existing Marvel deals.

I can't think of a single way in which those situations are remotely the same.
 

lebeau

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Is this the right room for an argument?

Dude, that one took me a minute. Well played, sir.

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PeterAlt

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Some history. Remember, Six Flag was owned by Time-Warner, but Six Flags couldn't use Time-Warner's Looney Tunes characters because competitor Great America theme parks owned them. So, what did they do? They bought the entire franchise of Great America theme parks and merged it with Six Flags! Thus, because of this move, Six Flags then had the theme park rights for Looney Tunes (as well as the Great America parks which became Six Flags parks). That would be like the equivant of Disney buying Universal's parks, which I am not even remotely suggesting! From Wikipedia:

"In 1976, the Looney Tunes characters made their way into the amusement business when they became the mascots for the two Marriott's Great America theme parks (Gurnee, Santa Clara). After the Gurnee park was sold to Six Flags, they also claimed the rights to use the characters at the other Six Flags parks, which they continue to do presently."
 

PeterAlt

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Because there are still a handful of people who refuse to grasp the reality of the situation no matter how many times it is spelled out for them.

Hey, I know. Maybe Disney can build a monorail to Islands of Adventure. Problem solved. They can even annex Harry Potter.
I'm doing everyone here a favor for centralizing the debate instead of it derailing other threads, which I admit I was guilty of myself.
 

I_heart_Tigger

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My only concern is whether The Ramones will have merchandise for sale in the parks as a Spiderman theme song tie in. Everything else is moot.

Johnny Depp can kiss me if I'm wrong but isn't Disney also planning a Justice League movie with CGI Johnny Depps playing every character. That should open up a new 4D experience in the parks, no?
 

I_heart_Tigger

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My only concern is whether The Ramones will have merchandise for sale in the parks as a Spiderman theme song tie in. Everything else is moot.

Johnny Depp can kiss me if I'm wrong but isn't Disney also planning a Justice League movie with CGI Johnny Depps playing every character. That should open up a new 4D experience in the parks, no?

...and Yes I do know that Justice League is DC not Marvel but we all know once you buy Marvel that's the next logical step.
 

lazyboy97o

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And then, what did they do?

They made Space Jam.
http://www2.warnerbros.com/spacejam/movie/jam.htm

Some history. Remember, Six Flag was owned by Time-Warner, but Six Flags couldn't use Time-Warner's Looney Tunes characters because competitor Great America theme parks owned them. So, what did they do? They bought the entire franchise of Great America theme parks and merged it with Six Flags! Thus, because of this move, Six Flags then had the theme park rights for Looney Tunes (as well as the Great America parks which became Six Flags parks). That would be like the equivant of Disney buying Universal's parks, which I am not even remotely suggesting! From Wikipedia:

"In 1976, the Looney Tunes characters made their way into the amusement business when they became the mascots for the two Marriott's Great America theme parks (Gurnee, Santa Clara). After the Gurnee park was sold to Six Flags, they also claimed the rights to use the characters at the other Six Flags parks, which they continue to do presently."
Warner Bros. didn't buy all of Six Flags until the 1990s.
 

danlb_2000

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No, it's good business. In the history of histories, every company has done this. Warner Bros spent years and years reassembling Looney Tunes and it was more expensive in today's dollars and more complicated than Disney's current situation with Marvel.

Totally different things. With Looney Tunes you are talking about getting back the rights to the actual characters, where as with Marvel, you are just talking about one very narrow licensing deal, Disney still owns the IP. Do you think Disney is going to try to buy out the 100's if not 1000's of Star Wars licensing deals that are out there?

If Disney were to try to get back the theme park rights they would have to put out a lot of money and would also lose the licensing revenue stream from Universal. To make this a good buisness decision they would have to build Marvel attractions at WDW that would make up for those costs. Since they already seem to be reluctant to spend money on significant new attractions for the WDW parks, why do you believe they would put out all the money to buy out the Universal contract, just to spend more money to build the rides? A Marvel project at WDW would likely cost two to three times (if not more) the cost of an attraction based on other Disney IP if you include the cost to buy out Universal.
 

Cmdr_Crimson

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Some history. Remember, Six Flag was owned by Time-Warner, but Six Flags couldn't use Time-Warner's Looney Tunes characters because competitor Great America theme parks owned them. So, what did they do? They bought the entire franchise of Great America theme parks and merged it with Six Flags! Thus, because of this move, Six Flags then had the theme park rights for Looney Tunes (as well as the Great America parks which became Six Flags parks). That would be like the equivant of Disney buying Universal's parks, which I am not even remotely suggesting!

I must rant here..I worked at SFGAm and was "good friends" with Bugs Bunny from the early 2000's...During my tenure Bugs had to be Everywhere in the park doing meet & greets, promo's and character shows. Plus many Looney Tunes characters were scattered throughout the park so at least the guests knew they were out...We used to have Cartoon Network Characters in Camp Cartoon Network as well (The Flintstones, Jetsons & Scooby Doo) And The Animaniacs as well..While the park has changed ever since that eldery corpse tapped dance into the park it and made him the Ambassador of Six Flags..Which pushed most of the characters out of obscurity...I haven't been there in over 3 years and from what I've seen it's even worse when they added the Wiggles world for no dumb reason only to drop their contract not nearly 2 years after the new area opened..Bugs Bunny National Park (which was LT National Park) was leveled to make a pointless go kart track, The characters were used to roam free in big sections and now they have these really dumb looking kiosk stands where you can meet this character at such a time..The attention to what was a park that celebrated "The Spirit of America" is not even what it is anymore..It's nothing but pop up ads of Starbust, Skittles, M&M's, Miracle Whip..Etc..
 
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