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ppete1975

ppete1975

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MisterPenguin said:
I would say, for me, it's been in only the past 10 years that the digital revolution has reduced the use of paper for me. I don't like to file or store paper any more. I scan it. I'm militant against using fax. Scan it and email it. You can amend PDF files and plop a scanned image of your signature onto it and send it by email. You don't have to print it out, fill and sign it, and then rescan or fax it.

And then people say they want a fax so that they know a document was legally signed. Oh, honey, I can scan anyone's signature and photoshop an excellent forgery and fax it to you... is that how you're going to make sure everything is on the up and up? The power of faxing? Please enter the 21st century.

The one area where paper still rules is having to read something in a presentation in places where there's no multimedia set-up. Still got to print it out and lug the binder around. Need better large screen pads that are super easy and completely reliable and have super long battery life.

To bring this to Disney, I like how resort check-in and ticketing can be easily paperless with MDE. Now, if the resorts would stop leaving a ton of paper notes and flyers in the rooms...
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I probably get more paper from junk mail than I use, I mean between the "newspaper of ads" credit card offers, and other junk the amount of paper they use plus fossil fuels to get it to my house is astronomical.... and how many people use any of that. IF I want a new credit card (I abhor credit) I will go online and do research for months to find the card that I get the best rewards from, I certainly wont pick one from a letter mailed to me. That should be the next step make junk mail illegal. :)
 
MisterPenguin

MisterPenguin

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ppete1975 said:
I probably get more paper from junk mail than I use, I mean between the "newspaper of ads" credit card offers, and other junk the amount of paper they use plus fossil fuels to get it to my house is astronomical.... and how many people use any of that. IF I want a new credit card (I abhor credit) I will go online and do research for months to find the card that I get the best rewards from, I certainly wont pick one from a letter mailed to me. That should be the next step make junk mail illegal. :)
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You can get the post office to stop forwarding 3rd class mail to you (to resident).

And then go through the rigamarole of getting off those vendors' mailing list.
 
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jpeden

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EricsBiscuit said:
And textbooks. Let's not forget how terrible it is to have multiple textbooks. Not only are they heavy but they take lots of paper to make. I have no clue as to why every textbook isn't online.
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Frankly, digital textbooks are crap in my opinion. Most complicated subjects in my opinion still require the hard book. The ability to highlight and note take in the margins cannot be underestimated. Even if offered the choice, I always went with the hard copy text book.
 
EricsBiscuit

EricsBiscuit

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jpeden said:
Frankly, digital textbooks are crap in my opinion. Most complicated subjects in my opinion still require the hard book. The ability to highlight and note take in the margins cannot be underestimated. Even if offered the choice, I always went with the hard copy text book.
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I'm sure you can highlight with online textbooks. Also, there are tons of note taking applications out there.
 
GoofGoof

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ppete1975 said:
This wont be an issue soon... when computers become more popular our dependency on paper will go way down. Everything will stored on your server or on floppy disks and paper will no longer need to be used. The cost savings from paper and ink will pay for the computer in a few years.



Yes this was the sales pitch in the 80s.... btw I think I waste more paper now than they did back then, but I was a kid in those days so who knows.
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In a past life many moons ago I worked for one of those paper storage companies that owns a bunch of warehouses where companies send records offsite to be stored. 20 years ago they started investing heavily in digital storage since hard copy was “going away soon”. 20 years later the digital business is largely still an afterthought and the paper storage business is steadily growing as it had been for decades. Regulations like HIPAA and some of the newer financial laws create way more paperwork now than there was decades ago despite some individuals and businesses going digital.
 
BEARSHOUSE4

BEARSHOUSE4

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As a business manager in the auto sales business, I am on the front lines of paper usage. In the last 15 years, the required paperwork has doubled, if not tripled. Between new banking regs, motor vehicle regs, privacy laws, compliance, etc. everyone is fearful of lawsuits and courts, and paperwork mitigates that risk. Although unneccessary, fear and precedent will continue the consumption of paper. By the way, the copy paper, wasted reams at a time, proudly proclaims (WBMason) product of Brazil. The rainforest!!!!!
 
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bcoachable

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Such an interesting topic over digital or paper- I wonder if there were more younger users on the board (no offense meant to our experienced posters), if we wouldn’t hear from them that all they read/write is now digital. Personally, I love the feel of paper, but my current reading mode seems to be the audible app and having it read everything to me... as far as official paperwork at my workplace, everything is now digital.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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BEARSHOUSE4 said:
As a business manager in the auto sales business, I am on the front lines of paper usage. In the last 15 years, the required paperwork has doubled, if not tripled. Between new banking regs, motor vehicle regs, privacy laws, compliance, etc. everyone is fearful of lawsuits and courts, and paperwork mitigates that risk. Although unneccessary, fear and precedent will continue the consumption of paper. By the way, the copy paper, wasted reams at a time, proudly proclaims (WBMason) product of Brazil. The effing rainforest!!!!!
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Brazil pulp is supplied from pllantations, eucalyptus pulp. Paper is not made from rainforest trees as the trees are of species not suitable for paper making.
 
GlacierGlacier

GlacierGlacier

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bcoachable said:
Such an interesting topic over digital or paper- I wonder if there were more younger users on the board (no offense meant to our experienced posters), if we wouldn’t hear from them that all they read/write is now digital. Personally, I love the feel of paper, but my current reading mode seems to be the audible app and having it read everything to me... as far as official paperwork at my workplace, everything is now digital.
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Just graduated high school and earned my associates degree this past month.

The only cases in which everything was digital was when dealing with online-only classes (where everything is taught through online lessons, and assignments are distributed, completed, and turned in digitally). Every other class (especially math) had a messy and exhausting paper mess to deal with.

Even as a computer programmer, I still prefer paper in a long of cases. It's easier to jot quick notes down, I don't have to worry about it disappearing, and the tangible nature of the medium makes it a lot easier to (literally and metaphorically) grasp notes I've written on it. I went out and bought a filing cabinet just because I know the need of paper.

Not to mention everything government wise is paper (except my car title).
 
Master Yoda

Master Yoda

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Nubs70 said:
Brazil pulp is supplied from pllantations, eucalyptus pulp. Paper is not made from rainforest trees as the trees are of species not suitable for paper making.
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It is my understanding that the number one reason the rainforests are being cleared is for cattle ranching. Logging for high end wood comes in second followed by agriculture.
 
Nubs70

Nubs70

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Master Yoda said:
It is my understanding that the number one reason the rainforests are being cleared is for cattle ranching. Logging for high end wood comes in second followed by agriculture.
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Due to governmental restrictions, certain species of wood are not allowed to be purchased, such as rosewood. Most deforestation comes.from agriculture. If deforestation is a concern, look for FSC certification on the packaging. FSC is Forest Stewardship Certification which is a watchdog group that verifies that the fiber is sourced from sustainable sources.

Logging in the US is highly regulated as to where, when, how and quantity can be harvested. Very few, if any, new virgin pul/papermills have been built in the US in the last 20 years. Most virgin papermills are being built in Indonesia and,to a lesser degree, South America. China is building the most paper/tissue/containerbord mills but are recycled mills.

China builds on scale. In the US, a.new large tissue installation is considered 2 machines. In China, a new large installation is 20 machines.
 

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