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"The Curse of Expansion"
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bbll24
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I agree somewhat with the article. I think Disney needs to focus on maintaining and improving their existing attractions after EE. PoTC, Space Mountain, Splash Mountain, Country Bear Jamboree, and Haunted Mansion are all in need of a refurb. Refurbishing It's a Small World was a step in the right direction.
MGM is my/my family's favorite park, we just love the atmosphere and their two thrill rides. My mom's favorite is the GMR, and my dad's is the Indy Stunt show. This park could be so good, there are so many things you could do with the theme.
GMR needs a big time rehab, but they can keep some of the same movies, like Alien or Wizard of Oz. I don't care if they get rid of Tarzan, or Singin' In the RAin. If GMR gets rehabbed it could become the park's 3rd biggest draw.
I don't want to see an IJA clone in place of the show, becasue I think the Indy Stunt show still fills the seats almost every show.
A Star Tours rehab would be a huge plus, and it would really cut down on the lines at ToT and RnR.
The main thing is, Disney needs to lay off the expansion and improve what they have. They should add a big E-ticket maybe every 4-5 years.
MGM is my/my family's favorite park, we just love the atmosphere and their two thrill rides. My mom's favorite is the GMR, and my dad's is the Indy Stunt show. This park could be so good, there are so many things you could do with the theme.
GMR needs a big time rehab, but they can keep some of the same movies, like Alien or Wizard of Oz. I don't care if they get rid of Tarzan, or Singin' In the RAin. If GMR gets rehabbed it could become the park's 3rd biggest draw.
I don't want to see an IJA clone in place of the show, becasue I think the Indy Stunt show still fills the seats almost every show.
A Star Tours rehab would be a huge plus, and it would really cut down on the lines at ToT and RnR.
The main thing is, Disney needs to lay off the expansion and improve what they have. They should add a big E-ticket maybe every 4-5 years.
DisneyFreak529
New Member
All I'm saying is CP will never be as popular as Disney!
wdwishes2005
New Member
DisneyFreak529 said:
of course not.
bbll24 said:
I agree with a lot of your points. MGM is my favorite park too since I'm a big movie buff and I too like the atmosphere. And I think ToT is the best ride in any of the parks. And they have some of the cooler themed restaurants. Not to mention Fantasmic.
It's just a shame to think how much better it could have been if it were themed more cohesively. Kevin Yee did another article at Miceage a few weeks ago about MGM's "identity crisis". I'll post a link to that too for anyone who's ineterested.
This is the article I was referring to about MGM. I don't necessarily agree with all of his points, but I think he raises some interesting concerns. Especially when taken with his column on expansion:
http://www.miceage.com/kevinyee/ky060905a.htm
http://www.miceage.com/kevinyee/ky060905a.htm
Lynx04
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Orlando is a world wide tourism destination, Cedar Point is a regional destination. When people go on vacations they want to go somewhere warm and sunny, (unless you are going skiing). Orlando has year round warm enjoyable weather, Cedar Point doesn't. If you look at the area around Ohio their is nothing to do, the only entertainment in that region offer are their local amusement parks. I am sure that 95% of all of Cedar Points guests live within a days drive. Cedar Point will never be able to compete in the world market much like Universal or Disney can for two main reasons. First, location is not very attractive to world or even national market. The second is content, I think this is one of the more overlooked issues. While yes, they have licensing rights to Snoopy, it doesn't have any where near the quarter strength of Disney's less known characters. In order to play ball in the global market you have to have content to market. Having the biggest, faster, and most coasters is not content.
tazhughes
Member
speck76 said:
I think that is a little unrealistic. The reason that CP or any SF does huge numbers in the summer is the weather and the fact that teenagers (their target audience) are not in school. Those numbers would drop drastically in the "off seasons" and I do not think they would possibly approach even IOA.
netenyahoo
New Member
I agree that MGM will probably soon become the 4th visited park. AK has a pretty cohesive theme and just needs to add some more rides. MGM is all over the place. It has great potential, but needs to have some careful planning when expanding. They really need to update many rides and get new shows and get a big e-ticket on the other side of the park from TOT and Rock n Roller Coaster. Star Tours needs a serious update. LMA will not affect the attendance at the park much other right now as it is new. They need to get away from shows and build rides.
netenyahoo
New Member
speck76 said:
Well I agree there. I guess I should have stated it clearer. I think they need shows, but keep them fresh. I do not think they should build any more shows, but build more rides. LMA is a show. I think they should have built a new e-ticket instead of LMA.
disneyfamily
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I enjoy the chaos that is MGM. I like the fact it isn't themed to the hilt and you never know whats around the corner. Could be a stunt show or it could be a christmas shop. Its the element of suprise I love. So what if Indiana Jones is up the street of Star Tours which is around the bend of The Muppets which is in earshot of the Stunt show.
wannab@dis
Well-Known Member
speck76 said:
Yep, I agree. The shows are perfect diversions for many people. In fact, I would argue that many of the shows are the ONE reason a lot of visitors come to the parks. They are not there for the latest thrill ride, but to see GOOD productions and be entertained. Granted, the thrill rides and shows both are needed, but a nice medium needs to be sought.
I would like to know the costs involved in setting up the shows versus a new d or e ticket. I would think the up front costs are lower, but the long term costs of casting is higher. It would be interesting to find out where the break even mark comes.
mrtoad
Well-Known Member
speck76 said:
That is right on the mark. WDW is a vacation destination not a day trip spot for most people. Not saying there are not day trippers as there are tons, but WDW is a vacation spot for most. If you don't cater to all types of people, you will not have families with small children coming if they can't ride the rides, etc.
wdwishes2005
New Member
netenyahoo said:
i agree, no offense to people who like/work at LMAX but the only rides worth going on there are TGMR, RnRC, and ToT, i think they should hve put a ride in instead of LMAX.
speck76
Well-Known Member
mrtoad said:
To further my point....
Not EVERYTHING needs to be for EVERYONE.....
Different people have different tastes......and there is no longer many "one-size fits all" options for entertainment.
A good example is the Playhouse Disney show at MGM. It was designed for small kids (3-7 years old) and it is VERY effective at entertaining kids in that age group.....probably moreso than Voyage of the Little Mermaid or Beauty and the Beast. At the same time, it is not overly entertaining for adults (although I enjoyed it).
Some people have posted the arguement that shows should not be designed just for little kids, as the purpose of the Disney parks was for kids and adults to have fun together.
I do not have kids, but if I did, I think I would be very touched and entertained by watching them enjoy such a show that is geared right towards them......that, to me, would be "magic".
mrtoad
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Again, you are right on the mark. Although I would not do Playhouse Disney if I did not have a child but watching my daughter in there at the show is a major highlight to my trip.
There needs to be a spread of stuff for everyone as nobody is the same and everyone has different tastes and different needs to be happy.
There needs to be a spread of stuff for everyone as nobody is the same and everyone has different tastes and different needs to be happy.
speck76 said: