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Songbird76

Songbird76

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MinnieM123 said:
Curious about the system in place over there. Is it like here with private or other insurance, etc., or is it socialized medicine over there?
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Everyone has to have insurance, and you pay for it yourself and choose your company and plan, but basic stuff is all covered. If I go to the doctor, my insurance is automatically billed, so I don't have to worry about that, and most prescriptions are also covered. The pill is sometimes covered, sometimes not, but if it's not, it costs something like 10 euros for a year's supply so it's really cheap. I've never had to pay for any proceedure or prescribed medicines, and it also covers a certain number of extras...for example, when I was pregnant and had pelvic instability, it covered my physical therapy, and it covered a wheelchair rental for the period when I couldn't walk. It pretty much covers all the necessities and then if you pay more you can have extras.
 
Songbird76

Songbird76

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John park hopper said:
Despite all the flaws in our healthcare system IMO it is the best in the world, people from all over the world come here for medical procedures (Mick Jagger) The flaws in the system are many (patient, insurance, government, etc) which I won't get into, it would become a political discussion. My final word.
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What you're describing isn't the SYSTEM though. You're saying you think the US has the best DOCTORS...people come from all over the world for procedures because the doctors are knowledgable and skilled. That doesn't really have anything to do with the system though. The system is how much things cost, who can afford it, how insurance is obtained, how easily accessible it is. There's a huge difference between the two....you can have the best doctors in the world, but if people can't afford to go to them, it doesn't help. And the other way is also true...you can have a great system in place where everyone can go to the doctor, but if the doctors aren't well trained, or don't keep up on newer methods etc, that system won't help you. According to the link @Mr Ferret 88 posted, I live in the country with the best healthcare system, but my friend's parents-in-law died within months of each other, both of cancer that went untreated because their doctor kept refusing to test them because they were aging and should expect to feel pain. He insisted there was nothing wrong with them...they were just getting older. They had an inefficient doctor. And my BIL is in the hospital as we speak because the doctors in the ER didn't read the referral from the doctor who said there was fluid in his lungs. They didn't test him and he got worse instead of better and they discharged him only to get him back a week later in even worse condition. They FINALLY did a scan and found the fluid and started treating him for the pneumonia. So the system may be great, but that doesn't mean all the doctors are. And the doctors might be top notch, but that doesn't mean the system works. (not political...just the definition of healthcare system as opposed to the care one receives from health professionals)
 
John park hopper

John park hopper

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Songbird76 said:
What you're describing isn't the SYSTEM though. You're saying you think the US has the best DOCTORS...people come from all over the world for procedures because the doctors are knowledgable and skilled. That doesn't really have anything to do with the system though. The system is how much things cost, who can afford it, how insurance is obtained, how easily accessible it is. There's a huge difference between the two....you can have the best doctors in the world, but if people can't afford to go to them, it doesn't help. And the other way is also true...you can have a great system in place where everyone can go to the doctor, but if the doctors aren't well trained, or don't keep up on newer methods etc, that system won't help you. According to the link @Mr Ferret 88 posted, I live in the country with the best healthcare system, but my friend's parents-in-law died within months of each other, both of cancer that went untreated because their doctor kept refusing to test them because they were aging and should expect to feel pain. He insisted there was nothing wrong with them...they were just getting older. They had an inefficient doctor. And my BIL is in the hospital as we speak because the doctors in the ER didn't read the referral from the doctor who said there was fluid in his lungs. They didn't test him and he got worse instead of better and they discharged him only to get him back a week later in even worse condition. They FINALLY did a scan and found the fluid and started treating him for the pneumonia. So the system may be great, but that doesn't mean all the doctors are. And the doctors might be top notch, but that doesn't mean the system works. (not political...just the definition of healthcare system as opposed to the care one receives from health professionals)
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Whatever you want to call it I have no complaints about what we have here in the states.
 
Figgy1

Figgy1

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I'm trying to figure out when we can reschedule my mom's birthday dinner, it was supposed to be tonight but life happens. In other news my dh is up to doing the monthly maintenance on my serger:inlove: which should keep him out of my hair while I rewatch Downton Abbey before my copy of the movie shows up and it had better be here by the weekend or one of the guys will be in big trouble:angelic:
 
StarWarsGirl

StarWarsGirl

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Songbird76 said:
What you're describing isn't the SYSTEM though. You're saying you think the US has the best DOCTORS...people come from all over the world for procedures because the doctors are knowledgable and skilled. That doesn't really have anything to do with the system though. The system is how much things cost, who can afford it, how insurance is obtained, how easily accessible it is. There's a huge difference between the two....you can have the best doctors in the world, but if people can't afford to go to them, it doesn't help. And the other way is also true...you can have a great system in place where everyone can go to the doctor, but if the doctors aren't well trained, or don't keep up on newer methods etc, that system won't help you. According to the link @Mr Ferret 88 posted, I live in the country with the best healthcare system, but my friend's parents-in-law died within months of each other, both of cancer that went untreated because their doctor kept refusing to test them because they were aging and should expect to feel pain. He insisted there was nothing wrong with them...they were just getting older. They had an inefficient doctor. And my BIL is in the hospital as we speak because the doctors in the ER didn't read the referral from the doctor who said there was fluid in his lungs. They didn't test him and he got worse instead of better and they discharged him only to get him back a week later in even worse condition. They FINALLY did a scan and found the fluid and started treating him for the pneumonia. So the system may be great, but that doesn't mean all the doctors are. And the doctors might be top notch, but that doesn't mean the system works. (not political...just the definition of healthcare system as opposed to the care one receives from health professionals)
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I'm still in shock that they wouldn't give you an epidural...like wth???? Did men make up that rule? If so, put them through simulated birth and see how long that rule would take to change. Good grief.

I mean, I'm not particularly happy that I'm paying off medical bills (at least they don't impact my credit) but I can't complain at all about the healthcare here. In fact, one of the main reasons I still live in Maryland is because the quality of healthcare, especially for endocrinology, is some of the best in the world. And the reason why we found the problem we did last year was because we have a system where we can self advocate here. I insisted and insisted and insisted until someone believed me. And oh my God, it could have been so much worse, and that just freaks me out to think about. Ugh.

Anyway, enough of all of that. Where did we land on Honda's again, other than that everything the Ferret says about them is wrong?
 

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