The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

[Goofyernmost]

Man the pressure that parents put on young kids today is awful. No one is born knowing how to play sports and it is a good thing because then no one would be taking the time to discover cures for illnesses, write books, teach schools, build buildings and so on. I am not a sports fan and I never pushed my children to be part of organized sports, they grew up fine. They chose what to participate in based on their schedule and the schedule of the family that they are part of. That means that anything could be done, but it is up to the adult to decide if could is the same as should! To not give a child time to be a child is a dangerous path in my mind. When do they play for the joy of it and not feel like that have anything to prove to themselves or others? If adults are supposed to be the reason why kids do well, how come they don't seem to know how to positively motivate kids to win without fear of punishment if they don't? Or feeling like they are a complete failure. I agree with not giving out participation trophies and only giving them for successful accomplishments, but that should be the only motivation not because their parents or their small time coach needs to be served.

I'm reminded of a few lines that I saw on a sitcom once it went something like this. "Michael Jordan did not make his school basketball team, but I'm pretty sure he played basketball again." Kids need two things one is they need to have their chance to prove themselves not to be just a winner, but to love what they are doing. They also need parents to understand that they are not mentally developed or worldly enough to make all their own decisions. Kids, since the world began consistently bite off way more then they are physically capable of chewing without some form of damage to themselves. They need parents to limit and space what they participate in so they can concentrate and be successful at one thing at a time. Not to be attempting to be successful at everything.

Not everyone reaches their peak at the same time

 

[21stamps]

Man the pressure that parents put on young kids today is awful. No one is born knowing how to play sports and it is a good thing because then no one would be taking the time to discover cures for illnesses, write books, teach schools, build buildings and so on. I am not a sports fan and I never pushed my children to be part of organized sports, they grew up fine. They chose what to participate in based on their schedule and the schedule of the family that they are part of. That means that anything could be done, but it is up to the adult to decide if could is the same as should! To not give a child time to be a child is a dangerous path in my mind. When do they play for the joy of it and not feel like that have anything to prove to themselves or others? If adults are supposed to be the reason why kids do well, how come they don't seem to know how to positively motivate kids to win without fear of punishment if they don't? Or feeling like they are a complete failure. I agree with not giving out participation trophies and only giving them for successful accomplishments, but that should be the only motivation not because their parents or their small time coach needs to be served.

I'm reminded of a few lines that I saw on a sitcom once it went something like this. "Michael Jordan did not make his school basketball team, but I'm pretty sure he played basketball again." Kids need two things one is they need to have their chance to prove themselves not to be just a winner, but to love what they are doing. They also need parents to understand that they are not mentally developed or worldly enough to make all their own decisions. Kids, since the world began consistently bite off way more then they are physically capable of chewing without some form of damage to themselves. They need parents to limit and space what they participate in so they can concentrate and be successful at one thing at a time. Not to be attempting to be successful at everything.

Not everyone reaches their peak at the same time

Not every kid is made for competitive level sports. I was at T’s age, as was my sister-and her’s was much more intense time-wise than mine. My brother played sports, but just for school, never at a competitive level (he was on the “A team” in school baseball and basketball, but never a select team outside of school). All 3 of us enjoyed our experiences even though we were involved in different things at different levels.

Some kids want and thrive in that kind of competitive atmosphere, some don’t. That’s why there’s so many choices, which is a good thing.

 

[DryerLintFan]

Man the pressure that parents put on young kids today is awful. No one is born knowing how to play sports and it is a good thing because then no one would be taking the time to discover cures for illnesses, write books, teach schools, build buildings and so on. I am not a sports fan and I never pushed my children to be part of organized sports, they grew up fine. They chose what to participate in based on their schedule and the schedule of the family that they are part of. That means that anything could be done, but it is up to the adult to decide if could is the same as should! To not give a child time to be a child is a dangerous path in my mind. When do they play for the joy of it and not feel like that have anything to prove to themselves or others? If adults are supposed to be the reason why kids do well, how come they don't seem to know how to positively motivate kids to win without fear of punishment if they don't? Or feeling like they are a complete failure. I agree with not giving out participation trophies and only giving them for successful accomplishments, but that should be the only motivation not because their parents or their small time coach needs to be served.

I'm reminded of a few lines that I saw on a sitcom once it went something like this. "Michael Jordan did not make his school basketball team, but I'm pretty sure he played basketball again." Kids need two things one is they need to have their chance to prove themselves not to be just a winner, but to love what they are doing. They also need parents to understand that they are not mentally developed or worldly enough to make all their own decisions. Kids, since the world began consistently bite off way more then they are physically capable of chewing without some form of damage to themselves. They need parents to limit and space what they participate in so they can concentrate and be successful at one thing at a time. Not to be attempting to be successful at everything.

Not everyone reaches their peak at the same time

Not every kid is same. Kids thrive in different environments just like adults thrive differently too

 

[21stamps]

Not every kid is same. Kids thrive in different environments just like adults thrive differently too

I started competitive springboard diving the summer after 1st grade. By the time I was 9 I had a separate trainer in addition to my team and practiced 3-4 days per week. I also played soccer, volleyball, softball, (edit) and basketball (almost forgot that!), and 2 years of track (that didn’t last long)... The first 4 I played thru 8th grade until it was time to go to high school and I wasn’t allowed to play volleyball for my school due to an overlap with diving season at the school.

I would not change any of that.

However, my sister was on the national Team in gymnastics at age 7 thru her senior year at high school. She also started select soccer at age 7.. much to the dismay of her gymnastics coach, but my parents said they would leave the gym if my sister wasn’t allowed to play soccer. He allowed it because he didn’t want to lose her. She retired from gymnastics at 17, but continued to play soccer for her college.
Her gymnastics coach was like a second father to her up until his death 2 years ago. She loved her experiences, BUT, she will not allow her kids to be in gymnastics at that level.. it’s weird for her, as much as she loved it, she regrets how much she missed out on, both at the same time. She doesn’t want that for her kids. They take gymnastics, but casually, 1-2 days per week. Her kids will play competitive sports, but just not gymnastics.


The neat thing is, I played on coed recreational volleyball and soccer teams off and on from 9th grade until T was a few years old. My sister still plays indoor soccer on 2 teams. We obviously enjoyed our sports and still love them today.
I no longer dive and she no longer does gymnastics, those two are a little harder to find adult teams once you grow up.

 

[MinnieM123]

Running a business is rough. There is so much stress with it. You have my sympathies.

Speaking of business, did your financial ad issues get resolved yet?

 

[DryerLintFan]

I started competitive springboard diving the summer after 1st grade. By the time I was 9 I had a separate trainer in addition to my team and practiced 3-4 days per week. I also played soccer, volleyball, softball, and 2 years of track (that didn’t last long)... the first 3 I played thru 8th grade until it was time to go to high school and I wasn’t allowed to play volleyball for my school due to an overlap with diving season at the school.

I would not change any of that.

However, my sister was on the national Team in gymnastics at age 7 thru her senior year at high school. She also started select soccer at age 7.. much to the dismay of her gymnastics coach, but my parents said they would leave the gym if my sister wasn’t allowed to play soccer. He allowed it because he didn’t want to lose her. She retired from gymnastics at 17, but continued to play soccer for her college.
Her gymnastics coach was like a second father to her up until his death 2 years ago. She loved her experiences, BUT, she will not allow her kids to be in gymnastics at that level.. it’s weird for her, as much as she loved it, she regrets how much she missed out on, both at the same time. She doesn’t want that for her kids. They take gymnastics, but casually, 1-2 days per week. Her kids will play competitive sports, but just not gymnastics.

Yeah i would absolutely have regretted missing out on things. But we all prioritize things differently and there's absolutely no way to give your child a perfect childhood. You do the best you can.

Don't get me wrong, your schedule exhausts me and i couldn't survive it but we all thrive in different environments

 

[MinnieM123]

I woke up at 2 but couldn't go back to sleep until the rain ended but it looked liked a hurricane came through on my way here this morning.

At around 3 AM, I opened the front door to see just how bad it really was out there -- and the rain was coming down in buckets, but the high winds were blowing it sideways!

This afternoon, I went out in the car for a short while. Every side street I drove on had at least one trash barrel that had blown out in the middle of the street! (It was trash day in my area, and once the barrels had been emptied, they became light, and the wind was blowing them around all over the place!) So, it was kinda like an obstacle course driving around this afternoon. (Also heard that approx. 250,000 in MA lost power overnight.)

 

[21stamps]

Yeah i would absolutely have regretted missing out on things. But we all prioritize things differently and there's absolutely no way to give your child a perfect childhood. You do the best you can.

Don't get me wrong, your schedule exhausts me and i couldn't survive it but we all thrive in different environments

What’s funny is we still rode our bikes around the neighborhood, belonged to a swim club, played kick the can, cops and robbers, and ghost in the graveyard with our neighborhood friends. We were out of town a lot, but when we were in town we did our homework as soon as we got home, and then played with our friends until it was time to go to whatever practice/s we had that night.

I think it was a bit easier back then because there wasn’t “play dates” we just rode our bike to someone’s house.
*I’m speaking more for myself here, my sister is several years younger than me.. I know in high school she didn’t have much free time at all between high school soccer and her club teams spring soccer, and gymnastics all over every farm town in the US. I moved away when she was in 7th grade. She was definitely busier than I was in high school.

 

[MinnieM123]

It looks like because in 2010 they did a refurb from Jan 1 to Feb 27 that they're predicting the same in 2020. But most refurbs for Splash are done by the end of January.

This makes me so sad. Happy birthday, A

(and yes, I realize how self centered this pity party is, I'm just still processing how greatly that changes everything)

Splash Mountain Closures and Refurbishments

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Luckily, there's plenty of other attractions that she seems to love as well. Once the initial shock wears off, she'll still be a very happy kid. Not to worry!!

 

[wdwfan4ver]

That's awful that he discouraged T from drinking water in 90 degree weather?! What is he -- a drill sargent?! Not to mention as you said, T is only 9 years old, for heaven's sake.

I heard of such behavior before in sports even back in the 1950's, but I only heard or read about of on a college level back in the early 2000s.

T was lucky that he wasn't me when I was his age. If it was me instead of T, the coach would've needed to get an ambulance for me. The result would've been the coach would be out of a job after my parents were done with him.

I had problems keeping fluid in me because I handled heat so bad when I was a kid even when I did not have chicken pox. I was only couple months away from being 10 when I had chicken pox during the summer in a 90 plus degree heat and my mom had to take me to Children's hospital. My mom gave me fluids when I had chicken pox, but it didn't work at with my mom taking me Children's Hospital at the time.

The thing was my parents did not have to worry about coaches about being a drill Sargents because I did not play sports outside of recess and gym growing up. My parents did not have my younger brother and to sign up for sports. The closest thing was they signed my younger brother and I up for swimming lessons before my parents to end mine early due to eye medication I was forced to take.

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

Yes, it is..
the movie is :
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0139699/

I saw it. Forgot Jon Voight was in that one.

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

Guess who else is getting pizza tonight? Yep, me! We ordered MOD. Got a gluten free crust,no cheese, and pretty much all the veggies they have.

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

News - Splash Mountain closing for lengthy refurbishment in early 2020

https://www.wdwmagic.com/attractions/splash-mountain/news/17oct2019-splash-mountain-closing-for-lengthy-refurbishment-in-early-2020.htm

forums.wdwmagic.com

Bet she will find a new favorite ride. Don't worry.

 

[21stamps]

I heard of such behavior before in sports even back in the 1950's, but I only hearing or reading about of on a college level back in the early 2000s.

T was lucky that he wasn't me when I was his age. If it was me instead of T, the couch would've needed to get an ambulance for me. The result would've been the coach would be out of a job after my parents were done with him.

I had problems keeping fluid in me because I handled heat so bad when I was a kid even when I did not have chicken pox. I was only couple months away from being 10 when I had chicken pox during the summer in a 90 plus degree heat and my mom had to take me to Children's hospital.

The thing was my parents did not have to worry about coaches about being a drill Sargents because I did not play sports outside of recess and gym growing up. My parents did not have my younger brother and to sign up for sports. The closest thing was they signed my younger brother and I up for swimming lessons before my parents to end mine early due to eye medication I was forced to take.

I do believe it depends on the child. I think there’s 2 dance moms here, which is similar to any other competitive atmosphere. I know to some people competitive sports look like a lot of work and missing out on childhood ... but to some kids, that is a huge part of enjoying their childhood. Being with their team, learning and growing in their sport/s, and competing. A lot of them form life long bonds with teammates and even coaches.

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

I started competitive springboard diving the summer after 1st grade. By the time I was 9 I had a separate trainer in addition to my team and practiced 3-4 days per week. I also played soccer, volleyball, softball, (edit) and basketball (almost forgot that!), and 2 years of track (that didn’t last long)... The first 4 I played thru 8th grade until it was time to go to high school and I wasn’t allowed to play volleyball for my school due to an overlap with diving season at the school.

I would not change any of that.

However, my sister was on the national Team in gymnastics at age 7 thru her senior year at high school. She also started select soccer at age 7.. much to the dismay of her gymnastics coach, but my parents said they would leave the gym if my sister wasn’t allowed to play soccer. He allowed it because he didn’t want to lose her. She retired from gymnastics at 17, but continued to play soccer for her college.
Her gymnastics coach was like a second father to her up until his death 2 years ago. She loved her experiences, BUT, she will not allow her kids to be in gymnastics at that level.. it’s weird for her, as much as she loved it, she regrets how much she missed out on, both at the same time. She doesn’t want that for her kids. They take gymnastics, but casually, 1-2 days per week. Her kids will play competitive sports, but just not gymnastics.


The neat thing is, I played on coed recreational volleyball and soccer teams off and on from 9th grade until T was a few years old. My sister still plays indoor soccer on 2 teams. We obviously enjoyed our sports and still love them today.
I no longer dive and she no longer does gymnastics, those two are a little harder to find adult teams once you grow up.

What's especially tough about gymnastics is they have super long practices. The higher levels practice at youngest's gym 6 hours on Sundays, and 4-5 hours on Wednesdays and Fridays. They have to go through all the apparatus's and that takes so much time. The poor girls get awful blisters and calluses on their hands from the uneven bars. My middle dd stopped gymnastics because of the bars. She did just tumbling for a while, but now she is done. Your niece is pretty young now though. If a coach sees something in her, and asks your sister to stick her on a pre-team competitive team, would she say no? Cheer is great because the practices are shorter. Youngest does 7 hours a week. The next highest level would be 8, but it would never get more than that. She loves it and never complains.

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

Speaking of business, did your financial ad issues get resolved yet?

There are always financial issues, aren't there? But yes, the whole Facebook debacle did get resolved with them admitting the account was hacked. All the monies were returned.

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

I do believe it depends on the child. I think there’s 2 dance moms here, which is similar to any other competitive atmosphere. I know to some people competitive sports look like a lot of work and missing out on childhood ... but to some kids, that is a huge part of enjoying their childhood. Being with their team, learning and growing in their sport/s, and competing. A lot of them form life long bonds with teammates and even coaches.

I am the "Cheer Mom" , lady! Get that right. @MouseDreaming is the Dance Mom. But we are not like those crazy moms on tv.

 

[21stamps]

What's especially tough about gymnastics is they have super long practices. The higher levels practice at youngest's gym 6 hours on Sundays, and 4-5 hours on Wednesdays and Fridays. They have to go through all the apparatus's and that takes so much time. The poor girls get awful blisters and calluses on their hands from the uneven bars. My middle dd stopped gymnastics because of the bars. She did just tumbling for a while, but now she is done. Your niece is pretty young now though. If a coach sees something in her, and asks your sister to stick her on a pre-team competitive team, would she say no? Cheer is great because the practices are shorter. Youngest does 7 hours a week. The next highest level would be 8, but it would never get more than that. She loves it and never complains.

She would say No. She really did miss a lot socially, gymnastics was a lot on its own, but combined with year round soccer she just didn’t have much of a social life outside of that. That’s not say she didn’t have friends and go out in high school, she did... just not to everything. It’s very conflicting for her. I mean they were out of town a lot staying in hotels and swimming and eating as group, which was a lot of fun.. but she wanted to do more of what her high school friends were doing once she got to a certain age.. but not enough to quit. She couldn’t stay out many times on a weekend night because she was either out of town for a tourney or meet, or she had to be at practice or a game at 8am the next morning. I think it was a catch 22, love but also regrets. She’s still close with some of her old gymnastic teammates as well as soccer teammates.. I just don’t think she wants her daughter to do the same. She’s hoping that soccer may be her sport which is busy, but a lot less demanding than gymnastics.

Plus, for her coach to allow her to continue soccer was/is not the norm, she really was his star and he didn’t want to lose her. Her photos and trophy’s are still at that gym (now owned by one of his children) lol. She doesn’t think any coach would allow that again..she was lucky... doesn’t expect that her kids would have that same privilege. He was really a great man and coach.

 

[21stamps]

I am the "Cheer Mom" , lady! Get that right. @MouseDreaming is the Dance Mom. But we are not like those crazy moms on tv.

ha!! Sorry!! Dance mom and cheer mom!

 

[21stamps]

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