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Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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donaldtoo said:
Why is it assumed that everyone that didn’t get a college degree of any kind wanted more than what they already have...?
What about those of us who do plenty fine without a degree, because we paid our dues otherwise...?
What about those of us who couldn’t care less about being a partner with all the responsibiliy and liability that goes along with it...?
There are tons of college-degreed folks out there that couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper sack on their best day...it’s just a piece of paper.
Even when the 2 college-degreed partners were brought on by the original partner at the firm they resented me, because I didn’t go through what they did school-wise to achieve what I did. But, sure enough, as I continued to excel at what I did for them and the money kept flowin’ in the door, that respect level changed and has only increased.
I don’t look at where I am as a “glass ceiling” :rolleyes:, I look at it as I’m very much where I want to be. And, BTW, and again, the partners take very good care of me, because I can also do so many things that none of the younger employees can do, along with most of the things they can do. I busted my butt and take my career very seriously.
Don’t hate me or cut me down just because I didn’t give some college a buttload of money to get where I am, instead of doing it the way I did.
That’s just sad.
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Although I agree with your position, you are from an older world, I am from an even older world. What allowed you and me to get started in "paying those dues" is less and less of an opportunity without that semi-worthless piece of paper. Experience will allow you to get to a place of comfort much easier then just a High School Diploma or even an Associates Degree does now. I'm not talking about walking into the business world and instantly becoming CEO. Even being considered for the most menial of positions in a company, with any future, is next to impossible without a degree..

My first job out of the military was as the Manager of a Franchise Variety Store. It was poorly run by the owner which is the only reason why I was hired. He didn't want to pay decent wages, he had run out of money to stock the place (he liked to drink and gamble) and the Franchiser insisted that he hire a Store Manager. I was fresh out of the service with an ABA and he hired me. Man, were they ever mad at him for that and their dislike for me was evident. About two weeks after I started it became obvious that this was not going to be a life time position, to say the least. However, my resume now included a job description of being a Store Manager of a franchise with a recognizable name, with a year and a half of experience in retail, personnel, advertising and everything else that is real or imagined about what that title brought with it. That was my foot in the door and how after that I had at least a chance at being taken seriously. Today, that would be unlikely to happen without that BA in something even if that degree is in advanced finger flexing. It is the key to starting the engine. I think it is a foolish way to judge ability, but, life is what it is and everyone has to play by those rules. Those that make it big now have some sort of double gene that lets them be creative and also allowed them to have the courage to sacrifice and take that chance. Not everyone has that multiple gene!

You were lucky that not only did you have the ability, but, knew early on what you wanted to be doing with your life. Many, myself included, never had a clue as what they wanted to do to support themselves. We simply didn't know what we wanted to be when we grew up, I still don't, but, it's kinda late now anyway. Just to let you know what life is like for those of us with that particular "problem", this is what I did in my total career.

Retail Store Manager
Production Mgr in a Publishing Business
General Manager/Assistant Publisher of a weekly advertising publication and web printing business
Office Mgr/Accountant for a Earth Moving Company
Licensed Real Estate Salesperson/Property Mgr.
Owner/Operator of a 15 bed Residential Care Home
Brief stint as a Travel Agent
Payroll/Accounts Payable accountant for a larger building/utility contractor
Municipal Bus Driver
Field Supervisor for same Transportation Co.
Retirement (Probably permanent, in a sense, but, without a doubt the lowest paying position I have ever had)

Each one of those occupations required that I learn a new and different thing, almost like a startup with each one except my pay was higher based on my experience in my first job and the name on my Associates Degree... Business Administration. Of all those positions in life the one that I enjoyed the most was just being a Bus Driver... that was fun and it paid well and I wish I would have continued doing that until retirement, but, coupled with the idea that you can drive on the same streets just so often before it gets boring and my being BS'ed into going back into management, I finished my career as a Transportation Supervisor. I don't really regret any of it except when someone asks me what I did for a living, I have to ask them how much time they have. This is going to take a while.

Edited because I forgot one of my occupations, probably the most significant one. Sucks to get old!I should also add that some of those occupations were overlapping.
 
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Goofyernmost

Goofyernmost

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Rista1313 said:
So... after much researching tonight... I thought I found the perfect set, good reviews, durability.... but husband said it was "boring" and the whole point was to get something we could find on the conveyor belt easier, and I'm not kidding when I'm telling you... THIS is what we ended up with. 🤣

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I hope you realize that whenever your husband has to use those, his testosterone level will drop at least 25%. You needed to get one for him that had a picture of Hulk Hogan on it or something not quite so "girly". 🤔😧😉😛
 
Rista1313

Rista1313

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Goofyernmost said:
I hope you realize that whenever your husband has to use those, his testosterone level will drop at least 25%. You needed to get one for him that had a picture of Hulk Hogan on it or something not quite so "girly". 🤔😧😉😛
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He picked them out! He's never been a real manly dude... he cross-stitches, knits, plays dungeons & dragons, paints...... and he loves his kitties, so for people who know us well, they would say those totally fit us!
 
donaldtoo

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Cesar R M said:
hey @donaldtoo

Check: https://www.foxnews.com/lifestyle/c...m-u-s-ports-for-allegedly-violating-probation
Wow..
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Obviously, if guilty, they need to pay the appropriate price. Nobody could argue against that. Although specific ships were named, so you can’t paint the whole line and subsidiaries and all ships with a broad brush.
Banned or not, the magnifying glass will definitely now be on them for many years to come, and rightfully so. Which means they’ll hafta’ get their act together and keep it together if they wanna’ continue to operate out of US ports, which is a good thing.
If banned, we’ll simply find another line to cruise, because we love cruising that much.
 
Rista1313

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93boomer

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donaldtoo

donaldtoo

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Gabe1 said:
Thank you.You speak volumes to my point and @MouseDreaming today.

You have a one in thirty chance of being hired by your firm if you lack a college degree. And that only if you were hired decades ago. You can hate on higher education, but the statistics you provide demonstrate that education is valued and valued by your firms hiring practices.

It is clear your firm and partners believe in higher education by hiring only people with college degrees and the lone one is someone closer to retirement age than youth of today. The only person without a college degree is a testament to a good firm that is loyal to their employees they employed decades ago when on the job training and a high school diploma might have been good enough. It is obvious they have changed their hiring practices in current times and the partners and firm values higher education more than you do if they are only hiring 29 employees that hold a higher education college degree.

Texas below is similar to Illinois U.S. licensing boards require that architects hold a professional degree from a NAAB-accredited program, which include bachelor of architecture, master of architecture, and doctor of architecture programs. More education is the norm not less for firms so hiring people lacking any higher education degrees is obsolete.
  1. Complete the Education requirement by obtaining your NAAB accredited professional degree in architecture.
  2. Fulfill the Experience requirement by enrolling in the Intern Development Program (IDP), a structured national training program that requires Interns to acquire experience under the direct supervision of a registered architect. IDP is managed by the National Council of Architectural Registration Boards(NCARB), which allows you to carry your experiences from job to job and state to state.
  3. Complete the Examination, where you must take and pass each of the 7 divisions of the Architectural Registration Exam (ARE).
As was @MouseDreaming point, times change.
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First off, not ONE SINGLE time did I “hate” on higher education in any of my posts.
Go back and actually read.
I actually had a member disagreeing with me at one point when I said you can’t do it the way I did it all those years ago, and people need the sheepskin these days.

As far as all the requirements to get an architectural license go, I’m very familiar with them even though I’m not a registered architect.

As I’ve also posted, I am more versatile than any one partner in the skills I have, due to the way I was able to learn over the years. It seems I was educated during a transition period which didn’t prevent me from getting where I did via only a college education. People can call it lucky or whatever, but, I haven’t been sitting on my laurels all these years, and have never not taken an oppotunity to learn new tech or skills to keep my game up.
The partners have told me to my face many times of my worth to the firm. They wouldn’t have come to me and hired me back after the recession if not. I have also been given 7 pay raises in the 6+ years I have been back at the firm.
I’m thinkin’ I’m not a mercy hire.

As I also posted, many plumbers, A/C techs, electricians, etc., are making tons of money without a bachelors degree in philosophy, or whatever. Just simple fact.

Besides my addressing your false statement about me hating on higher education in my first paragragh, what else exactly are we disagreeing about...?
 
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Cesar R M

Cesar R M

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MySmallWorldof4 said:
At the same time that it is becoming harder to get a job without a college diploma, many jobs are becoming automated for cost purposes. You have heard of the robot phlebotomist? In Japan if you want blood drawn a robot will do it. You stick your arm in a machine, it scans for veins, and then basically sticks you. A phlebotomist I know says she is glad she is nearing retirement because she thinks her job would get replaced by this. A company in the US she said is already purchasing it.
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As a techie..I sure as hell wouldn't want a robot to get my blood unless it was thoroughly tested and at least of third generation.
Specially if its only the robot and no supervisor around to handle bugs and errors in these robots.
 

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