The Chit Chat Chit Chat Thread

[Cesar R M]

NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP TIME!!!

 

[Goofyernmost]

Schools and businesses are really backing off dress codes, it is ultimately a no win for them. And so many codes are discriminatory. Men must have their legs covered, women can show their legs but not their shoulders. So no shorts for guys but women can wear capri's. Business Casual and Casual mean very different things to each person because of their own ideas of casual and inconsistent between HR departments across the country. But the techies are driving casual and often prejudge the dude that shows up in a Suit for a meeting. We've all heard the saying the 'suits' are here.

Schools have the same problem with their staff and students. No professional educator wants to have that conversation with students or administration with teachers about bra straps, too thin of shoulder straps etc. Just easier to not get their shorts in a knot over anyone discussing proper coverage of a man or woman along with students in general. It is just too hard to write a HR code too that doesn't labor over the longer list aimed at female students/female employees.

Casual attire has come a long way before you were even born. As a child I was required to be in a dress for school. Seriously why? Girls had to wear dress shoes, boys not. In elementary school PE classes were in school clothes and girls trying to participate in sports in dresses. I was so happy when the laws were deemed discriminatory and we could wear pants and shorts to school like the boys did. It gets cold up here in the winter. So I refuse to accept the notion that is all the millennial fault about attire being casual. That started with the baby boomers and burn your bra pageant era not the millennial's. Boomers were the anti establishment era and then bikini's became popular and guys in Speedo's fell out of favor. Clothing in my era has just steadily become more and more casual but it is nothing new.

The dress code was a lot more basic in the 50's and 60's especially when I was in Catholic schools. My first year of high school was in an all boys Catholic HS required tie and blazer. Luckily, when I got into my second year of high school I went to a public school. There was still a dress code, but, not to strict. We also got to skip biology when the micro-mini skirt came out. The guys all learned a lot during that era.

After high school I went to a two year college (associates degree type) that specialized in business. That required a button up shirt and tie with a blazer every day. Then I went into the service and they were very strict about that uniform thing, it got a little more casual when in a war zone, but, it still consisted of the outline of a uniform. After the service, I went into civilian work situation and never again wore a tie my entire career. When I took a part time job driving shuttle bus for Enterprise Car Rental after I retired, I had to wear a tie and vest during the winter. That's when I remembered how much I hated wearing a tie.

 

[21stamps]

The dress code was a lot more basic in the 50's and 60's especially when I was in Catholic schools. My first year of high school was in an all boys Catholic HS required tie and blazer. Luckily, when I got into my second year of high school I went to a public school. There was still a dress code, but, not to strict. We also got to skip biology when the micro-mini skirt came out. The guys all learned a lot during that era.

After high school I went to a two year college (associates degree type) that specialized in business. That required a button up shirt and tie with a blazer every day. Then I went into the service and they were very strict about that uniform thing, it got a little more casual when in a war zone, but, it still consisted of the outline of a uniform. After the service, I went into civilian work situation and never again wore a tie my entire career. When I took a part time job driving shuttle bus for Enterprise Car Rental after I retired, I had to wear a tie and vest during the winter. That's when I remembered how much I hated wearing a tie.

My son doesn’t have to wear a button up shirt as me and my siblings did.. and now they are allowed to wear sneakers instead of loafers. They also have school sweatshirts instead of the blazers from my day.

It has loosened up a lot, but the girls still wear skirts all year round... just now with much more comfortable shoes and shirts!

Both boys and girls wear polo shirts, and the winter sweatshirts are unisex.

 

[21stamps]

I should add., gym is fine for the girls.. they all wear gym uniforms.. shorts and tees for both sexes.

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

My son doesn’t have to wear a button up shirt as me and my siblings did.. and now they are allowed to wear sneakers instead of loafers. They also have school sweatshirts instead of the blazers from my day.

It has loosened up a lot, but the girls still wear skirts all year round... just now with much more comfortable shoes and shirts!

Both boys and girls wear polo shirts, and the winter sweatshirts are unisex.

My youngest refuses to wear pants. She loves her dresses(as long as they twirl). The only time she will agree to wear pants of some sort is in the colder months, but only if it is to a cheer practice or a competition. Otherwise it is a dress with leggings or tights. We did go to a few competitions last season where she wanted to change into a dress at the venue when a competition was over. I have no idea why she dislikes pants so much. I rarely wear dresses.

 

[21stamps]

My youngest refuses to wear pants. She loves her dresses(as long as they twirl). The only time she will agree to wear pants of some sort is in the colder months, but only if it is to a cheer practice or a competition. Otherwise it is a dress with leggings or tights. We did go to a few competitions last season where she wanted to change into a dress at the venue when a competition was over. I have no idea why she dislikes pants so much. I rarely wear dresses.

Oh I understand her! I am the exact same way and I think it’s why I hate living in a cold climate so much. Dresses and skirts are just so much more comfortable than pants, for me. I rarely ever wear pants to work, only in the winter.

 

[MinnieM123]

I have a cupboard full of plastic bags in plastic bags ...

I have an even bigger plastic bag, for my plastic bags in plastic bags.

 

[MinnieM123]

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A as Princess Aurora, from Sleeping Beauty. You'd be amazed at how many people don't recognize this dress....

The full-length pink, satin gloves are tres chic!! Her costume is perfect for her. Oh, I laughed about her obsessing over the candy loot--and wanting to end early, so that she could chow down!

 

[ajrwdwgirl]

I forgot to post pictures of Kapono in her hot dog costume yesterday. It was a $3 Target costume.

Hubs took these pictures. The one with her looking out the window was when she was waiting for me to come home. Apparently gets to her post and she starts looking at 3:15pm every week day. At least that is what my husband says.

 

[ajrwdwgirl]

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A as Princess Aurora, from Sleeping Beauty. You'd be amazed at how many people don't recognize this dress....

Adorable!

 

[wdwfan4ver]

The dress code was a lot more basic in the 50's and 60's especially when I was in Catholic schools.

I am not a bit surprised about the dress code. I heard about it from my parents. My dad attended a Catholic school before going to a boy only high school. My mom wasn't catholic, but the schools she went to schools in small cities that had dress codes.

The boy only high school is a long time trade and technical school. That high school stopped being a boy only school in the mid 70s.

There was not such a thing as dress code when I was in high school though. I remembered a student having devil horns and a clothing with bad language.

 

[MinnieM123]

Schools and businesses are really backing off dress codes, it is ultimately a no win for them. And so many codes are discriminatory. Men must have their legs covered, women can show their legs but not their shoulders. So no shorts for guys but women can wear capri's. Business Casual and Casual mean very different things to each person because of their own ideas of casual and inconsistent between HR departments across the country. But the techies are driving casual and often prejudge the dude that shows up in a Suit for a meeting. We've all heard the saying the 'suits' are here.

Schools have the same problem with their staff and students. No professional educator wants to have that conversation with students or administration with teachers about bra straps, too thin of shoulder straps etc. Just easier to not get their shorts in a knot over anyone discussing proper coverage of a man or woman along with students in general. It is just too hard to write a HR code too that doesn't labor over the longer list aimed at female students/female employees.

Casual attire has come a long way before you were even born. As a child I was required to be in a dress for school. Seriously why? Girls had to wear dress shoes, boys not. In elementary school PE classes were in school clothes and girls trying to participate in sports in dresses. I was so happy when the laws were deemed discriminatory and we could wear pants and shorts to school like the boys did. It gets cold up here in the winter. So I refuse to accept the notion that is all the millennial fault about attire being casual. That started with the baby boomers and burn your bra pageant era not the millennial's. Boomers were the anti establishment era and then bikini's became popular and guys in Speedo's fell out of favor. Clothing in my era has just steadily become more and more casual but it is nothing new.

I agree with a lot of that.

However, what's appropriate for one business may not be appropriate for all. I don't dress as formally as I used to for work, but I'd never show up in jeans, no matter how relaxed dress codes become in the workplace.

I still think that too casual a wardrobe reflects more of an effort (on the part of an employee) to please herself, versus dressing up a bit, to show you represent the company. I think that's what @StarWarsGirl was getting at there--she knows the culture of her company, and knew right away that the "too" casually dressed employee could ruin a more conservative casual attire day for all.

As you stated, employers are reluctant to get into these types of conversations with people not dressing appropriately, so they take the easy way out and just ban casual days. (There's always one person in every crowd that can mess it up for everyone.)

 

[MinnieM123]

I forgot to post pictures of Kapono in her hot dog costume yesterday. It was a $3 Target costume.

Hubs took these pictures. The one with her looking out the window was when she was waiting for me to come home. Apparently gets to her post and she starts looking at 3:15pm every week day. At least that is what my husband says.
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LOVE the costume!!!

 

[Rista1313]

The dress code was a lot more basic in the 50's and 60's especially when I was in Catholic schools. My first year of high school was in an all boys Catholic HS required tie and blazer. Luckily, when I got into my second year of high school I went to a public school. There was still a dress code, but, not to strict. We also got to skip biology when the micro-mini skirt came out. The guys all learned a lot during that era.

After high school I went to a two year college (associates degree type) that specialized in business. That required a button up shirt and tie with a blazer every day. Then I went into the service and they were very strict about that uniform thing, it got a little more casual when in a war zone, but, it still consisted of the outline of a uniform. After the service, I went into civilian work situation and never again wore a tie my entire career. When I took a part time job driving shuttle bus for Enterprise Car Rental after I retired, I had to wear a tie and vest during the winter. That's when I remembered how much I hated wearing a tie.

I miss the days of wearing a uniform so much, it's exhausting trying to figure out what to wear to work everyday, what the temperature is going to be, what kind of meetings I have... and with whom.... I miss the airlines... where my biggest decisions were pants or skirt? Short sleeve shirt or long sleeve shirt. And which tie... flower/bow or man style tie. Oh and one airline I did have the choice of a dress too. It was so easy to figure out what to wear back then!

Here's a link to Midway airlines, I worked for both Midway 1 and 2, so I wore both the tan and the blue uniforms.

http://www.uniformfreak.com/1midway.html

 

[MySmallWorldof4]

Oh I understand her! I am the exact same way and I think it’s why I hate living in a cold climate so much. Dresses and skirts are just so much more comfortable than pants, for me. I rarely ever wear pants to work, only in the winter.

She is particular about the style too. I showed her a cute dress that had a unicorn coming out of a pocket. She didn’t like it because the cut was straight. She likes dresses that really twirl like a Marilyn Monroe dress.

 

[donaldtoo]

Car in the Creek Watch update: day 11...

 

[donaldtoo]

The last of the scary pumpkin cake from yesterday...!!!!!

 

[donaldtoo]

The beginnings of some more 3-D model fun...!!!

 

[donaldtoo]

And, although not spectacular, the kinda’ cute sunset...!!!

 

[Gabe1]

I agree with a lot of that.

However, what's appropriate for one business may not be appropriate for all. I don't dress as formally as I used to for work, but I'd never show up in jeans, no matter how relaxed dress codes become in the workplace.

I still think that too casual a wardrobe reflects more of an effort (on the part of an employee) to please herself, versus dressing up a bit, to show you represent the company. I think that's what @StarWarsGirl was getting at there--she knows the culture of her company, and knew right away that the "too" casually dressed employee could ruin a more conservative casual attire day for all.

As you stated, employers are reluctant to get into these types of conversations with people not dressing appropriately, so they take the easy way out and just ban casual days. (There's always one person in every crowd that can mess it up for everyone.)

I don't believe it is an easy way out. Most schools and businesses just don't want to waste time on being fussy of the amount of material on a woman's shoulders these days especially when the code itself isn't equal for men and woman. Who wants to set themselves up for a lawsuit. And there have been many in schools and workplaces that are unionized. There is one right now with a Pilots Union.

Me as a surveyor for most of my career I wore jeans. I took my career seriously and was well respected in the industry. Frankly being in a male dominated career a skirt would have been inappropriate. Lots of the tech industry has gone the way of Steve Jobs. Black turtleneck and jeans every day and I fail to see how that hurt Apple. The Silicon Valley which is boatloads of talent. Engineers usually in a tshirt, zipper hoodie and jeans and of course gym shoes. Zuckerberg has been know well for his tshirts, sweatshirts and jeans. Very successful. Their clothing didn't seem to call into question their ability lead or build awesome corporations and draw talented employees. In the fast-moving world of tech, the idea is to show that your'e not wasting precious time on something as vain as fashion, they aren't judgmental or catty about petty things like clothing but are some pretty talented people that have more things to focus on who is wearing what, the Code if anything is University casual. And it works. Likely why more and more firms are moving away from dress codes.

I am old enough to remember the poor RNs that were forced to wear white dresses and heeled white shoes with a stupid hat everyday in hospitals. That is a heck of another folly of a dress code gone bye bye. Getting patients in and out of beds, doing CPR etc in a white dress. My Nuns were in full cover from head to toe, couldn't see a hair on their head, no necks. Don't think it made them better school teachers to wear that in non air conditioned buildings. Don't believe little girls forced by code to wear a skirt or dress made them smarter. So what does that teach little girls that adults write dress codes requiring them to have exposed legs in school?

The one I like the most that has 'let it go' was SouthWest Airline. As you look at their attendants they dressed in the summer months, shorts and a polo where other airlines have for decades dressed their flight attendants in some unique costumes/uniforms and the ridiculous high heels on an aircraft. Me my favorite airline is SouthWest, usually nice and warm employees, fair price. Being more casually dressed in their industry doesn't seem to have affected the corporation or their success.