The 60th Anniversary of Disneyland: The Reality of it All

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Stevek said:
Parks will be crowded either way so in this era of leadership that is all about the financials versus the guest experience, why would they bother keeping these every night?
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What makes this different than any other "era" of leadership though? If indeed this is Disney management initiating some cost cutting (which seems ridiculous to say in light of the billion dollars being invested in DLR right now), how does it differ from all the other times Disney did the same thing or worse?
 
Stevek

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Evan-500 said:
It would be different if it was going down while they setup and replace it with a new nighttime parade, or update it, or recast it, or do any number of things... But no, they are just ending it to save money. It's disgusting.

How often are the prices low enough to justify less entertainment then the normal Disneyland experience?

If I am paying full price, middle price, or even the lowest price for no decent fireworks, no fantasmic, and no night parade... I would expect to pay a much more significant discount, 70 bucks maybe? 80?
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Exactly. If you are going to offer me more and you set price X, when you remove the "more" you should give me price Y. Disney, while having some seasonal pricing, will never resort to what you and I have suggested as fans keep filling the park. Raising daily admission and AP prices has likely had very little effect on attendance and with The Star Wars Experience coming in a couple of years, it will likely only get more crowded. Just think, this is the park that once gave away 400 cars to every 30,000th guest in one year. Visionaries like Jack Lundquist and Matt Ouimet who truly understood it was about giving the guest the best possible experience are a thing of the past. Now it's just a matter of whether folks like us will continue to support the new "Empire" as we move forward. We're addicts, while we may pull back a bit (I'll go once a year, if I can get signed in), we still come here to talk about the park because we love the legacy and memories we've had there...some of us may just create far fewer memories in the future.
 
Stevek

Stevek

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Dr. Hans Reinhardt said:
What makes this different than any other "era" of leadership though? If indeed this is Disney management initiating some cost cutting (which seems ridiculous to say in light of the billion dollars being invested in DLR right now), how does it differ from all the other times Disney did the same thing or worse?
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You're correct, it's been problematic for quite a few years...Pressler/Harris seemed to be the starting point and Ouimet tried to right the ship for lack of a better term. I guess it just feels different now that even while they are investing heavily for the future, the cost cutting seems challenging to many fans in light of very strong attendance at both parks. I guess none of us knows the financials of what really goes on behind the scenes but regardless, we can still feel like we will be getting far less bang for our buck. Now in 2-3 years when Star Wars opens, I might sing a different tune but if ticket prices are 50% higher and parks are even more crowded...ugh.
 
Curious Constance

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GiveMeTheMusic said:
You know I love you and your weird thing for Bob, but I vehemently disagree with this line of thinking. The Disney Way has always been to overdeliver and create new experiences on a regular basis. With the sky high prices they charge for every little thing now, there's no excuse for any corner cutting or aging entertainment. Disneyland alone produces an obscene amount of money, and the reinvestment into new experiences is proportionally low. Call me old fashioned, but I believe Disney should work to wow in every way possible, especially at current prices.
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On paper I agree with what you're saying, but in reality I know that costs are always passed onto the consumer. I'm not saying that I think they should let everything run to the ground. They obviously make money for offering a superior product, but I just don't expect everything all the time.
And as long as you love me, that's really all that matters, right?
 
Curious Constance

Curious Constance

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GiveMeTheMusic said:
You know I love you and your weird thing for Bob, but I vehemently disagree with this line of thinking. The Disney Way has always been to overdeliver and create new experiences on a regular basis. With the sky high prices they charge for every little thing now, there's no excuse for any corner cutting or aging entertainment. Disneyland alone produces an obscene amount of money, and the reinvestment into new experiences is proportionally low. Call me old fashioned, but I believe Disney should work to wow in every way possible, especially at current prices.
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You know, you're right. They really should work to wow. I need to start expecting more because I'm worth it!
PS: My next trip down, I was thinking you could bring Bob along and we could meet up. Preferably over drinks. (If Bob gets a bit tipsy, so be it.)
 
GiveMeTheMusic

GiveMeTheMusic

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Curious Constance said:
You know, you're right. They really should work to wow. I need to start expecting more because I'm worth it!
PS: My next trip down, I was thinking you could bring Bob along and we could meet up. Preferably over drinks. (If Bob gets a bit tipsy, so be it.)
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Let's meet at Club 33. I'll get Bob liquored up before you get there, head start for you. ;)
 
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Me when I finally walk into Club 33.

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