Team ImageWorks - Fantasyland thread

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I would do two shops, the one in Fantasia Square and the one in Bald Mountain, the Fantasia dark ride, the music express ride, the dumbo-type ride and the TS-restaurant and perhaps even more, but I need to know it quickly.

Tahu do you want to do the entire Wonderland Forest, perhaps with the exceptions of the M+Gs?

JohnLocke do you want to do Bald Mountain and more?

Illuminations already said she would do IASW, the M+G and one CS-restaurant.

Any more suggestions?

 

[FigmentJedi]

I'm already thinking of something like the Queen of Heart's Banquet Hall at Tokyo for the Wonderland counter-service restaurant. Would definitely work as a Village Haus counterpart.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I'm already thinking of something like the Queen of Heart's Banquet Hall at Tokyo for the Wonderland counter-service restaurant. Would definitely work as a Village Haus counterpart.

So you'll do the rest of Wonderland Forest too? Alice in Wonderland ride with the Jabberwocky etc? That would be great.

 

[FigmentJedi]

So you'll do the rest of Wonderland Forest too? Alice in Wonderland ride with the Jabberwocky etc? That would be great.

Sure. And I'm even thinking of including some of the elements from the book that weren't used in either into the Carousel like having the Griffin, Mock-Turtle, Lion and Unicorn as rideable animals.
Also a Caucus Race play fountain or something.

 

[Illumination]

Must be a funny feeling, living there and be able just to say "Hey let's go to Disney-World this weekend." For me its a 4700 mile long trip. Of course there is DLP and thats only about 500 miles away but it's not the same, I never felt like being in a Disney park there and Europeans are not like Americans. 500 miles is a real voyage to us.

Oh yes, it's fantastic to be able to go whenever. I usually make it to the World once a month, sometimes less. A 3 hour drive, but that's not bad at all. Crank up the Disney tunes and the time just flies past.

Concerning our FL. I say lets finish our roster in the next hours and finally begin with the designing.

Fantasyland as a whole is divided into three parts.

Fantasia Square, located behind the castle and to the left (west), with a direct connection to Frontierland and the hub (through the castle however)
The secondary weenie of Fantasia Square is the Sorcerers Tower with the Fantasia-Ride. Beginning in Fantasia Square we have a fair ground with the fair-based attractions that blends into Wonderland Forest.
Fantasia-Square is the happy, the light side of Fantasyland, stands for the forces of good.

The color palatte for this land should be warm colors, yes? Lots of sparkly gold, red, orange, yellow. This also helps the sorceror's tower thing stand out, as I assume it will be blue with stars, like the hat, yes?

Bald Mountain, located to the north (east) and divided from Fantasia Square by the Wonderland Forest. Bald Mountain can be accessed through the Wonderland Forest and from Tomorrowland to the east. Bald Mountain is the location of the villain-based ride, the Bald Mountain Rollercoaster.
Bald Mountain is the dark, sinister side of Fantasyland and stands for the forces of evil.

Dark colors here, of course.

Wonderland Forest is located between Fantasia Square, Bald Mountain and Tomorrowland, with direct access to all mentioned areas. In Wonderland Forest the fair ground with the fair-type rides continues and segues into the M+G areas on one side and to the direct path to Bald Mountain on the other side. Behind the M+G areas lies the Alice-in-Wonderland Ride.
Wonderland Forest is a place of transition between good and bad, not belonging completely to either side, so villains can be also seen in the M+G areas without looking out of location.

How forest-y? I think it would be very cool to have lots of fake trees and winding paths, as a sort of grey area, transition between good and evil. Like the idea of a M&G here, though maybe beside the ride, not in front. Makes for better flow of people.

Of course this is not the complete roster yet, its only the main layout with some of the major attractions.

The roster would look like this:

Fantasia Square:

The Fantasia dark Ride with the "Sorcerers Apprentice"-section as main part

IASW

Extended Peter Pans Flight

Pastorale ride, a midway ride of the dumbo-type with pegasoi and other mythical animals from the Pastorale segment of Fantasia.

This is a wonderful idea for re-imagining dumbo.

music-express ride based on a disney classic movie (I am still thinking which would be suitable)

Why not just include Philharmagic? It's music based and we have alot of work already, working on so many new rides. And we haven't even started discussing Main Street...

TS-restaurant with character dining

shop with FL attraction based merchandise


Bald Mountain:

Night on Bald Mountain Villain Rollercoaster

Snow Whites very scary Adventures dark ride

CS-Restaurant

1 shop that sells villain and attraction based merchandise

Doesn't seem like very much. Will this area be smaller than the others, with the focus mostly on Bald Mountain?

Wonderland Forest:

Alice in Wonderland-dark ride

carrousel

Mad Tea Party

Meets and Greets areas

CS-restaurant.

Wonderland shop

Thats 10 attractions, 3 shops and 3 restaurants (1 TS, 2 CS)

Overall it looks really good.

 

[Illumination]

Right so, I'll do:

IASW
CS restaurant in Bald Mountain
Snow White (just a new entrance look and queue)
Large M&G area in Wonderland Forest (will have several different areas for guests to interact)

I could also do the extended peter pan if no one else does. That would just leave the Sorceror's Apprentice ride, the TS restaurant, and Bald Mountain Roller Coaster unclaimed.

 

[JohnLocke]

I'll try to do the Bald Mountain Coaster and possibly the TS restaurant. What were we thinking about for it?

 

[FigmentJedi]

I'm thinking of the dining areas of the Wonderland restaurant being divided in three areas: The Wonderland seaside including the Walrus and Carpenter's beach and the flooded area Alice travels through early on, the Queen of Heart's castle and court, and a general Wonderland forest area with elements of the nearby Mad Tea Party and the flower garden. Trays would be cards.

Not so sure about the menu though, gonna need a hand in figuring it all out, but there'd definitely be some fried seafood options and some really great desserts.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Overall it looks really good.

Thanks Illuminations. You need three ours to the World? Where do you live? On the Gulf Coast or Atlantic Coast?

About the choice of colors you are right with just one exception, the Sorcerers Tower tp will not look like a sorcerers hat.

Concerning the Wonderland Forest I strongly support your suggestions, thats exactly how I imagined this area myself.

About Philharmagic. I LOVE it, we did it five times during our last trip and sometimes listen to it at home. But I was quite interested in turning another classic carnival ride into a Disney attraction because the music-express rides in German fairs are quite cheap and corny and I thought there is some potential for a nice little disney attraction.

About Bald Mountain. Yes, Bald Mountain is a little smaller than the other areas with the mountain itself being a secondary icon and weenie of the entire land but I consider 2 attractions, 1 shop and 1 restaurant not too few elements for a sub-area.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Right so, I'll do:

IASW
CS restaurant in Bald Mountain
Snow White (just a new entrance look and queue)
Large M&G area in Wonderland Forest (will have several different areas for guests to interact)

I could also do the extended peter pan if no one else does. That would just leave the Sorceror's Apprentice ride, the TS restaurant, and Bald Mountain Roller Coaster unclaimed.

I'll do the Fantasia-Sorcerers Apprentice Ride/Sorcerers Tower, both shops in Fantasia Square, the reimagined dumbo/pegasus-ride, the music-express ride and the extended Peter Pans Flight. JohnLocke wanted to do the TS-restaurant, I am fine with that, but as it is in Fantasia Square and not in Bald Mountain please give it a friendly, funny theming, perhaps something from Ratatouille?

So thats how our roster looks like:

Fantasia Square:

Fantasia dark Ride with the "Sorcerers Apprentice" - Spike-in-Berlin

IASW - Illuminations

Extended Peter Pans Flight - Spike-in-Berlin

Pastorale ride - Spike-in-Berlin

music-express ride - Spike-in-Berlin

TS-restaurant with character dining - JohnLocke

shop with FL attraction based merchandise - Spike-in-Berlin


Bald Mountain:

Night on Bald Mountain Villain Rollercoaster - JohnLocke

Snow Whites very scary Adventures dark ride - Illuminations

CS-Restaurant - Illuminations

1 shop that sells villain and attraction based merchandise - Spike-in-Berlin


Wonderland Forest:

Alice in Wonderland-dark ride - Tahu

carrousel - Tahu

Mad Tea Party - Tahu

Meets and Greets areas - Illuminations

CS-restaurant. - Tahu

Wonderland shop - Tahu


JohnLocke if you want to do more please tell me. About the CS-Restaurant in Bald Mountain, give it a villains theming. The counter area less specified than the different sitting areas. You could theme sitting areas after different villains with an AA of each villain in his area as a twist.

OK and now good luck for everyone. Illuminations, enjoy your trip to the world, if you would have waited 4 more weekends we could have met there.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I'm thinking of the dining areas of the Wonderland restaurant being divided in three areas: The Wonderland seaside including the Walrus and Carpenter's beach and the flooded area Alice travels through early on, the Queen of Heart's castle and court, and a general Wonderland forest area with elements of the nearby Mad Tea Party and the flower garden. Trays would be cards.

Not so sure about the menu though, gonna need a hand in figuring it all out, but there'd definitely be some fried seafood options and some really great desserts.

Sounds great and exceptional so far but Tahu I think you shouldn't think too much about the menu. We are doing a MK-type park, CS-restaurants are here not exactly the place where you expect a delicious and unique menu.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Sounds great and exceptional so far but Tahu I think you shouldn't think too much about the menu. We are doing a MK-type park, CS-restaurants are here not exactly the place where you expect a delicious and unique menu.

Yeah, mind was kinda drifting to that counter service with ala-carte options set-up like Disneyland's French Market. Mostly from being denied the delicious looking cake when I went last March.

As for other land business, decided to merge that Caucus Race play-area thing into the Carousel concept. The whole thing is conducted by the Dodo, who is on the Carousel's roof, inviting guests to come and join in on today's races. Some of the rideable animals would include the Cheshire Cat, some of the Tulgey Wood creatures like those horn ducks, shovel bird, the brush-headed dog and Momeraths and Slithy Toves, Griffin, Mock-Turtle and the Lion and Unicorn in bringing in some of the unused book material, and some of the varying participants of the Caucus race like the lobsters, starfish and pelicans.

 

[Illumination]

I'm back and already experiencing withdrawl. Must start planning my next trip. I live on the Gulf Coast, we're in the very far south, right where the interstate curves and shoots across the bottom of Florida. It's 2 hours up I75 to Tampa, and then 1 hour across I4 to Disney.

As for the CS in Bald Mountain, no worries. I'm thinking of a cave-like dining room, with walls that are rocky and painted in dark colors, blues and purples. On the walls are framed portraits of various villains. There are several long counters where food is ordered, and then the dining seats are arranged in different clusters around the room. The portraits are actually animations, and every 5 minutes or so, you may notice the characters shifting around. Scar may stretch himself and look around, Jafar may polish his snake staff with his sleeve, Ursula may pet Flotsam as he floats through her picture, etc. There are also props here and there representing characters. I'll be going into more detail with the official report.

Snow White will be quick and easy, as will the M&G areas. I'm still working with IASW, trying to create a cohesive idea and flow. It shouldn't be too long. When are we aiming to have Fantasyland ready by?

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I'm back and already experiencing withdrawl. Must start planning my next trip. I live on the Gulf Coast, we're in the very far south, right where the interstate curves and shoots across the bottom of Florida. It's 2 hours up I75 to Tampa, and then 1 hour across I4 to Disney.

As for the CS in Bald Mountain, no worries. I'm thinking of a cave-like dining room, with walls that are rocky and painted in dark colors, blues and purples. On the walls are framed portraits of various villains. There are several long counters where food is ordered, and then the dining seats are arranged in different clusters around the room. The portraits are actually animations, and every 5 minutes or so, you may notice the characters shifting around. Scar may stretch himself and look around, Jafar may polish his snake staff with his sleeve, Ursula may pet Flotsam as he floats through her picture, etc. There are also props here and there representing characters. I'll be going into more detail with the official report.

Snow White will be quick and easy, as will the M&G areas. I'm still working with IASW, trying to create a cohesive idea and flow. It shouldn't be too long. When are we aiming to have Fantasyland ready by?

By tomorrow afternoon/early evening?

 

[Illumination]

Snow White’s Scary Adventure

Snow White is located on the very edge of the subland known as Bald Mountain. The entrance to the ride is on the edge of the Wonderland Forest, and dark trees tower over the beginning of this ride’s queue. The line snakes through some of the shadowy trees before forming the usual twists under the awning of the ride building, which is made of dark grey bricks and has a foreboding look to it. Representing the Evil Queen’s castle, there is black moss clinging to the walls, and various rocks and branches make the queue a fairly scary experience for young children. The dark mood is broken only at the beginning of the ride, where the well and castle courtyard are bathed in sunlight with beautiful flowers. Snow White can be seen here, and it is the opening scene in the ride. The ride itself is an exact clone of the WDW ride. The ride exits into the heart of Bald Mountain, with the mountain coaster itself looming in the distance.

The Dark Tavern

This counter service restaurant is directly across the way from the exit of Snow White, in Bald Mountain. This eatery is themed to look like the tavern/bar where Gaston, the nefarious villain of Beauty and the Beast, hung out. There are the usual counters and ordering stations as you walk in. Everything is wood, with the walls painted a dark red. The menu is displayed overhead, and offers the usual fare.

Beyond the ordering area, guests see several clusters of tables with seating for four. The tables are square and wooden, with the seats also being wooden. The walls are wood paneled up to waist height, and are painted a dark red the rest of the way up. Spaced evenly along these walls, throughout the dining area, are portraits of some of the most famous Disney villains. The villains include: Randall (Monsters Inc.), Clayton (Tarzan), Professor Ratigan (Great Mouse Detective), The Queen of Hearts (Alice in Wonderland), Chernabog (Fantasia), Shere Khan (Jungle Book), Gaston (Beauty and the Beast), Claude Frollo (Hunchback of Notre Dame), Hades (Hercules), Captain Hook (Peter Pan), Ursula (Little Mermaid), The Evil Queen (Snow White), Scar (Lion King), Jafar (Aladdin), Maleficent (Sleeping Beauty), Davy Jones (Pirates of the Caribbean), and Dr. Facilier (Princess and the Frog).

These portraits celebrate the evil side of Disney, but they also offer surprises to guests. Did Scar just stretch and yawn? Did Hades just flare up a bit and frown? Did Dr. Facilier’s shadow just adjust his hat? The pictures will be animations which play every 5 minutes or so, randomly. Guests will never know what they will see next, and you never know which portrait is going to move at any given time.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Wrath of the Jabberwock: Closer to the Villain side of Wonderland Forest near Snow White, Wrath of the Jabberwock is a dark-ride focusing on some of the darker aspects of Wonderland. Traveling through a next-gen queue with interactive elements featuring some of the more harmless creatures of the Tulgey Wood like the Horn Ducks and Pencil Birds, the Cheshire Cat can occasionally be heard singing "Twas Brillig" and asking if we've lost the way. With the Cheshire Cat being our ride's guide, the cars take on the form of differently colored cats, using a mini-EMV setup like the Magic Kingdom's Pooh.

The load-area itself depicts the opening lines of the poem with the Borogoves, Slithy Toves and Mome Raths. As the ride begins, we go past a guardpost full of card soldiers, seeing various signs being put into place by them and some Hammer Birds warning us of the Jub Jub Bird, Bandersnatch and the Jabberwock. The vehicles go through doors of their warning signs. Various birds are seen fleeing, the Jub Jub swooping down shows us why. With a quick turn and recoil from the vehicle motion, we go past glowing red eyes and smoke before moving into the next scenes. Wrecked trees and a card soldier hunting party lead us into the next encounter, passing under a fallen tree leads into an encounter with a clawing Bandersnatch. After another narrow escape, we come to the Tum Tum tree and hear the burbling and roaring of the Jabberwock, seeing it's silhouette pass the tree. The chase is now on, with several strobe encounters with the Jabberwock leading into the climactic appearance of a large Jabberwock figure, the creature's defeat being depicted with a Pepper's Ghost effect making the creature's head dissapear when a "tossed sword" hits the beast. We approach the unloading dock going past a mural of the cat clapping with the message "Oh Frabjous Day, Caloo-Callay", exiting near the Twas Brilling scene the ride started at, disembarking back into Wonderland Forest.

 

[JohnLocke]

Here's my Bald Mountain ride, it may be a bit rough and if anyone wants to make any suggestions, just suggest away.

Fantasia: Night on Bald Mountain

Queue: It's very Fantasia inspired, the soundtrack plays, and you get a little bit of every section on your way to the ride itself. The loading area is inspired by the orchestra that transitions between each section of the film and will be the guests' entrance into the world of Fantasia. The ride vehicles themselves will be made to look like instruments or notes.

The Ride: You start your journey up the inside of the mountain with a bit from the Pastoral Symphony scene from Fantasia. This section will be a bit slower moving, with the Mythological creatures from the Pastoral Symphony section displayed as AAs on each side of your car.

The next section will be a bit of a faster trip, with the Dance of the Hours section's Hippos, Ostriches, and Gators all around you. To flow with the music, the car will zig zag a bit around this part.

Next, you will finally reach the top with the Frost Fairies part of the Nutcracker Suite. You will see the Fairies turn the room to a winter wonderland and then suddenly the room will go dark as the Bald Mountain Devil's AA appears and the chords of a Night on Bald Mountain strike up.

With his appearance, he sends your car along a roller coaster ride down the mountain, with projections of the ghosts also on the ride all around you. At the end of the ride, light wins out with Ave Maria playing.

 

[JohnLocke]

Anybody have any suggestions or ideas about what else needs to be done?

 

[Stratofarius]

Next, you will finally reach the top with the Frost Fairies part of the Nutcracker Suite. You will see the Fairies turn the room to a winter wonderland and then suddenly the room will go dark as the Bald Mountain Devil's AA appears and the chords of a Night on Bald Mountain strike up.

Just wanted to say: his name is Chernabog.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I think a lot of that Bald Mountain plan would sound better in the Sorcerer's Apprentice dark ride. Bald Mountain should be the domain of the sinister, especially if it's the headliner for a more villainous part of Fantasyland