Team ImageWorks - Fantasyland thread

[FigmentJedi]

With that many scenes added to the other three (i consider at least bald mountain and the sorcerers apprentice a must) it would be a really HUGE ride. Perhaps a little too large because I thought it would be better to have several scenes for one episode.

I think Fantasia's big enough in scope that you could have it as another sub-area, putting a Sorcerer's Apprentice influenced Wizards of Mickey, a Bald Mountain ride and a Fantasia Gardens boat-ride.

Basically have our own drastically different take on the Fantasyland Forest concept.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I think Fantasia's big enough in scope that you could have it as another sub-area, putting a Sorcerer's Apprentice influenced Wizards of Mickey, a Bald Mountain ride and a Fantasia Gardens boat-ride.

Basically have our own drastically different take on the Fantasyland Forest concept.

THATS a good idea! I'll write more later, I'm busy at the moment.

 

[FigmentJedi]

THATS a good idea! I'll write more later, I'm busy at the moment.

I'm thinking putting them at the back as "The Fantasian Mountains" would work and with Pastoral being a part of it, maybe have a Hercules show/meet and greet type of deal around there considering the same sorta setting.

 

[JohnLocke]

I don't know if any of you've checked out our Fantasyland thread from earlier on, but we came up with what I think is a pretty good concept. We basically did light vs. dark Fantasyland, with our subland devoted to a little to villains.

I also thought that a Bald Mountain dark ride coaster would work really well for the dark section. Basically you would ride along and enter one of the happy scenes in Fantasia and sends you for a nice little coaster ride. It's pretty much like The Mummy for anyone who's ridden it.

 

[Illumination]

I like the idea of incorporating alot of fantasia into a subland. There's a lot of potential there, and I love the idea of a Night on Bald Mountain dark coaster. A big sinister looking craggy mountain would be a good landmark to set Fantasyland apart. We could do a fantasia area along with the more traditional stretch of typical rides.

Don't forget we have to re-imagine It's a Small World too.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I like the idea of incorporating alot of fantasia into a subland. There's a lot of potential there, and I love the idea of a Night on Bald Mountain dark coaster. A big sinister looking craggy mountain would be a good landmark to set Fantasyland apart. We could do a fantasia area along with the more traditional stretch of typical rides.
Don't forget we have to re-imagine It's a Small World too.

Well I hope there will be someone else who reimagineers IASW, no job for me.

What about the castle? Or what is planned to be the central icon of our park behind the hub?

Perhaps a "Night on Bald Mountain" coaster could be the weenie of the dark side and the castle the weenie of the light side of fantasyland.

How many rides, shows, shops and restaurants should be placed in FL anyway?

 

[JohnLocke]

Well I hope there will be someone else who reimagineers IASW, no job for me.

What about the castle? Or what is planned to be the central icon of our park behind the hub?

Perhaps a "Night on Bald Mountain" coaster could be the weenie of the dark side and the castle the weenie of the light side of fantasyland.

How many rides, shows, shops and restaurants should be placed in FL anyway?

I'm a big IASW fan, but I'm not really sure what to do in reimagining it myself.

We had thought about doing Beauty and the Beast for the castle, and pretty much had it as the light side and the mountain as dark/villain side as you suggested.

FL, I think, is always the section of the park with the most rides, I really don't know how are totals are looking so far, but I would think 6-8 or so on the light side, and 3-5 on the dark side would probably work.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I'll post my suggestions for a complete FL-roster based on what we discussed so far here tomorrow around afternoon ET. And if I get my stupid scanner working I will place also a rough scetch of the layout.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Roster for Fantasyland: (first version)

HAUNTED MANSION! (Dark ride) we need it and where else to place it?

Sorcerers Apprentice Ride in the Sorcerers Tower (flume ride)

Night on Bald Mountain Ride (Rollercoaster)

IASW reimagineered (Dark ride)

Alice in Wonderland (Dark ride)

Snow Whites Adventures (Clone of dark ride)

Music-Express-type-ride

Merry-go-round ride

Dumbo-type ride

Chain carrousel

1 major table-service restaurant (with character dining)

1 counter-service restaurant

2-3 shops

Meets and Greets areas

 

[JohnLocke]

Roster for Fantasyland: (first version)

HAUNTED MANSION! (Dark ride) we need it and where else to place it?

Sorcerers Apprentice Ride in the Sorcerers Tower (flume ride)

Night on Bald Mountain Ride (Rollercoaster)

IASW reimagineered (Dark ride)

Alice in Wonderland (Dark ride)

Snow Whites Adventures (Clone of dark ride)

Music-Express-type-ride

Merry-go-round ride

Dumbo-type ride

Chain carrousel

1 major table-service restaurant (with character dining)

1 counter-service restaurant

2-3 shops

Meets and Greets areas

I like most of the brief sketch you have. I really don't know about the Merry-go-round ride, though. Also I don't know if we should go overboard with Fantasia with a Sorcerer's Apprentice attraction, I think that could make for an interesting section in the Bald Mountain/Fantasia coaster. Plus, it would be nice to see a classic Disney villain get an attraction in the dark section of FL, my vote's for Maleficent, but I don't really have a story or idea yet.

Also, I don't know if you want to do any of the other traditional dark rides, but I think I would vote Peter Pan over Snow White, it's generally the most popular one, and goes really well with the light side.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Well my suggestions are only erm.. suggestions. I am interested in other ideas but we have to increase the pace. I want to start designing my part of the roster by tomorrow.
Peter Pan is good, I know the lines in MK are insane compared to the size and age of the ride. But Snow white is a classic and started the Disney full feature movie franchise. Perhaps an reimagineered Snow White additionally to Peter Pan?
Concerning the villain ride, I believe one ride for one villain is too much. There is no real supervillain in the disney movies like Darth Vader or the Joker that could carry an entire ride alone.

 

[FigmentJedi]

Yeah, Bald Mountain as a multi-villain experience would be for the best. And we could include references to the bat creatures and Firebird from Fantasia 2000.

 

[Illumination]

I think it would be cool to incorporate the dark butterfly/bat/triangles into the Bald Mountain thing even if it were only in the queue. Maybe have the queue be the whole light vs dark thing by using that story and the butterfly/bat/triangles.

Also, keep in mind we're limited to 35 attractions for the WHOLE PARK. We're going to need to cut some of this...

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I think it would be cool to incorporate the dark butterfly/bat/triangles into the Bald Mountain thing even if it were only in the queue. Maybe have the queue be the whole light vs dark thing by using that story and the butterfly/bat/triangles.

Also, keep in mind we're limited to 35 attractions for the WHOLE PARK. We're going to need to cut some of this...

If I get this right we used up so far 6 attractions in Frontierland including Klondike Square: WRE, Westward Ho!, Avalanche Peak, Life and times of Scrooge McDuck, Gold Diggers Island and the Country Bears. One is mandatory for Main Street USA (btw any ideas yet? We have to do it simultaneously with FL if I understood it correctly), the reimagineered COP. That leaves us with 28 attractions for the rest of the park. If we put at least 10 of them into FL that shouldn't be too much I belive. Still leaves us 18 attractions for remaining TL and AL. Or ist there another land planned?

Otherwise it could look like this:

Frontierland: 4 attractions

Klondike Square: 2 attractions

Main Street USA: 2 attractions (COP + Disney Railroad)

Fantasyland: 10 attractions (including the park icon castle)

Adventureland: 7-10 attractions (depends on TL)

Tomorrowland: 7-10 attractions (depens on AL)

Please correct me if I am wrong.

 

[JohnLocke]

I remember there being some secret projects or attractions that they said did not count toward our 35 total, but I really can't remember how many and if I am correct or not.

 

[Illumination]

I remember there being some secret projects or attractions that they said did not count toward our 35 total, but I really can't remember how many and if I am correct or not.

I think you are right, there were a couple that won't count towards the limit of 35, but I can't remember which ones they are.

Overall I like the numbers proposed for each land. 10 is about right for Fantasyland, as the biggest draw of the park, any more than that would be too much.

Oh yeah, I'm not sure about Hanuted Mansion. The people in charge of this little contest seem to be planning to incorporate it as a secret project somewhere, since we were forbidden from including it in our frontierland border subland. So, maybe hold off on it?

I like the light vs. dark idea. What attractions do we include in each?

Light: IASW, Alice ride, Carousel-type ride, Sorceror's Apprentice, ?

Dark: Night on Bald Mountain coaster, Snow White (?), ?, ?, ?

We also need the usual 2 CS restaurants, 2 M&G areas, 2 shops. I like the idea of a TS restaurant as well, with characters.

Maybe one of the dark side rides could be based around The Princess and the Frog's villain, Dr. Facilier. Maybe a voodoo/spirits kind of thing, where the ride vehicle/car/whatever has a light on the front (lantern looking thing) and the story is that the spirits are trying to steal the light. You wander the bayous and streets of New Orleans, wnding up in the voodoo lair of Dr. Facilier before finally escaping.

 

[JohnLocke]

I think you are right, there were a couple that won't count towards the limit of 35, but I can't remember which ones they are.

Overall I like the numbers proposed for each land. 10 is about right for Fantasyland, as the biggest draw of the park, any more than that would be too much.

Oh yeah, I'm not sure about Hanuted Mansion. The people in charge of this little contest seem to be planning to incorporate it as a secret project somewhere, since we were forbidden from including it in our frontierland border subland. So, maybe hold off on it?

I like the light vs. dark idea. What attractions do we include in each?

Light: IASW, Alice ride, Carousel-type ride, Sorceror's Apprentice, ?

Dark: Night on Bald Mountain coaster, Snow White (?), ?, ?, ?

We also need the usual 2 CS restaurants, 2 M&G areas, 2 shops. I like the idea of a TS restaurant as well, with characters.

Maybe one of the dark side rides could be based around The Princess and the Frog's villain, Dr. Facilier. Maybe a voodoo/spirits kind of thing, where the ride vehicle/car/whatever has a light on the front (lantern looking thing) and the story is that the spirits are trying to steal the light. You wander the bayous and streets of New Orleans, wnding up in the voodoo lair of Dr. Facilier before finally escaping.

I've been thinking, and as someone else stated basing a ride around one villain may not work out, I think going with a Kingdom Hearts idea with a League of Villains would work out really well and please many Disney fans who want see their favorite villain brought to life. I'm really not set on any kind of ride vehicle are idea so far for this attraction, but I still vote on Maleficent being the big bad of this cabal of villains.

I think your idea of the villains trying to steal something from you could work really well in the story idea for the ride, and while I still, unfortunately, have not seen Princess and the Frog, I think Dr. Facilier would work well as one of the villains.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

OK, now I definitely want to begin with the imagineering at least of some rides, shops and restaurants so we have to finish our roster.
If we design the Bald Mountain ride as a general Villains ride, like the rumored one only as rollercoaster and not as a flume-log ride, then someone who knows about all major movies of the last 20-25 year has to do this. I haven't seen yet Arielle, Pocahontas and some other more modern Disney classics so I can't design the ride. And we take out the Haunted Mansion if it really is to be placed somewhere else.

 

[Illumination]

Princess and the Frog is definitely a must-see. It's got that true Disney quality to it, and the songs are fantastic.

On another note, I'll happily take care of the little things: the shops, the CS restaurants, the M&Gs. I'll pass on the Table Service, I never do TS in the parks, and so I don't really have the knowledge necessary for what to include or do.

I'd be happy to take IASW too, if no one else wants it. Hopefully I can come up with some good ideas over the next day or two.

Also, I will be gone this weekend. We're taking a spur-of-the-moment trip to the World! Gotta love it, living in Florida. So, yeah, maybe I'll get some good ideas while there.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Princess and the Frog is definitely a must-see. It's got that true Disney quality to it, and the songs are fantastic.

On another note, I'll happily take care of the little things: the shops, the CS restaurants, the M&Gs. I'll pass on the Table Service, I never do TS in the parks, and so I don't really have the knowledge necessary for what to include or do.

I'd be happy to take IASW too, if no one else wants it. Hopefully I can come up with some good ideas over the next day or two.

Also, I will be gone this weekend. We're taking a spur-of-the-moment trip to the World! Gotta love it, living in Florida. So, yeah, maybe I'll get some good ideas while there.

Must be a funny feeling, living there and be able just to say "Hey let's go to Disney-World this weekend." For me its a 4700 mile long trip. Of course there is DLP and thats only about 500 miles away but it's not the same, I never felt like being in a Disney park there and Europeans are not like Americans. 500 miles is a real voyage to us.

Concerning our FL. I say lets finish our roster in the next hours and finally begin with the designing.

Fantasyland as a whole is divided into three parts.

Fantasia Square, located behind the castle and to the left (west), with a direct connection to Frontierland and the hub (through the castle however)
The secondary weenie of Fantasia Square is the Sorcerers Tower with the Fantasia-Ride. Beginning in Fantasia Square we have a fair ground with the fair-based attractions that blends into Wonderland Forest.
Fantasia-Square is the happy, the light side of Fantasyland, stands for the forces of good.

Bald Mountain, located to the north (east) and divided from Fantasia Square by the Wonderland Forest. Bald Mountain can be accessed through the Wonderland Forest and from Tomorrowland to the east. Bald Mountain is the location of the villain-based ride, the Bald Mountain Rollercoaster.
Bald Mountain is the dark, sinister side of Fantasyland and stands for the forces of evil.

Wonderland Forest ist located between Fantasia Square, Bald Mountain and Tomorrowland, with direct access to all mentioned areas. In Wonderland Forest the fair ground with the fair-type rides continues and segues into the M+G areas on one side and to the direct path to Bald Mountain on the other side. Behind the M+G areas lies the Alice-in-Wonderland Ride.
Wonderland Forest is a place of transition between good and bad, not belonging completely to either side, so villains can be also seen in the M+G areas without looking out of location.

Of course this is not the complete roster yet, its only the main layout with some of the major attractions.

The roster would look like this:

Fantasia Square:

The Fantasia dark Ride with the "Sorcerers Apprentice"-section as main part

IASW

Extended Peter Pans Flight

Pastorale ride, a midway ride of the dumbo-type with pegasoi and other mythical animals from the Pastorale segment of Fantasia.

music-express ride based on a disney classic movie (I am still thinking which would be suitable)

TS-restaurant with character dining

shop with FL attraction based merchandise


Bald Mountain:

Night on Bald Mountain Villain Rollercoaster

Snow Whites very scary Adventures dark ride

CS-Restaurant

1 shop that sells villain and attraction based merchandise



Wonderland Forest:

Alice in Wonderland-dark ride

carrousel

Mad Tea Party

Meets and Greets areas

CS-restaurant.

Wonderland shop

Thats 10 attractions, 3 shops and 3 restaurants (1 TS, 2 CS)