Team Brava/Castle - Discovery Kingdom Brainstorming Workshop

[TheOriginalTiki]

Here's ROUGHLY what I'm thinking for the budget...

300 million - Roadrunner (highly themed, requires extensive placemaking and rerouting, this would include moving the Ocean Discovery stuff over to the current Walrus location)
200 million - T Rex (includes the giant AA and the cost of manufacturing a first of its kind ride)
100 million - new White Water Safari and Dinosphere 3D attraction to complete the dinosaur mini-land.
100 million - Extensive rock work and landscaping for Cobra and Medusa and the surrounding Medusa Plaza area
50 million - Looney Tunes Seaport expansion into Whistlestop Express area/retheme of current Roadrunner coaster/possible new ride in the current footprint of the defunct water playground.

That still leaves us 250 million to play around with for minor cosmetic touch-ups throughout the rest of the park. One thing I would do with the leftover money is remove the park's midway arcade area. Sorry Dino-Rama/Paradise Pier...Carnival games are ALWAYS cheap and don't belong in a Disney park, haha. We could make that area a highly themed walkway. I'm thinking maybe even make it a giant aquarium tunnel.

 

[TheOriginalTiki]

Couple brief ideas for Seaport...

Looney-Go-Round, basically a Looney Tunes version of IOA's Caro-Suess-Sel with Looney Tunes characters. This would replace the tiny and out of place generic Merry Go Round.

A Mickey Mouse Review style AA musical show to replace the current stage show which is a rather underwhelming "costumed characters singing top 40 hits" affair.

 

[TheOriginalTiki]

Come to think of it, if we want to replace the indoor playground then a Duck Dodgers simulator would be AMAZING. Very random, niche idea here but we could do the Bioshock approach of having a lighthouse be the jumping off point to launch us into a space station. Sorry for the double posts, just airing out ideas as they hit me.

 

[TheOriginalTiki]

It hasn't really been brought up yet but we might want to think about giving some love to the park's DC area. As it stands now that area contains the three most popular rides in Joker, Superman, and Wonder Woman. We wouldn't need much, just some simple facades ala Magic Mountain's DC area would do wonders to liven it up. Also, a V2 retheme to The Flash is a must. Since it's a launched coaster that already share's Flash's color scheme it'd basically be the easiest retheme of a coaster ever, haha.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Generally speaking, I'm down for this plan. The one thing I would change is maybe instead of having a new Sea Lion stadium in the Walrus area we move the Ocean Discovery exhibits (Penguin Passage and Stingray Bay) there instead as they'd be right in the line of fire for where we want to put the Roadrunner coaster. I love the idea of having a Southwest side of the Looney Tunes area with Foghorn Falls and Roadrunner as well as keeping and expanding on the Seaport theme. Really ties the IP together. We can definitely place a small animal exhibit between Foghorn Falls and Roadrunner, only thing is I'd avoid having it be a reptile house as the park already has one of those located in the back of Tava's Jungleland.

For the dinosaur area, I actually don't really think we need to spend much focus on retheming the Medusa area. It's already has a vague Egyptian theme to it. Skyscreamer already sticks out like a sore thumb and if it were up to me I'd just remove it and put in maybe a snake exhibit in its place to connect with Medusa and Cobra. Skyscreamer only being 150 feet tall REALLY takes the bite out of the "thrill" portion of the ride. I basically describe the thing as a glorified open air observation tower. Daredevil we can easily retheme to fit more with the Egyptian setting, or simply take it out entirely as its only a couple years old and ALREADY among the park's least popular rides. I never even saw it have a wait longer than a couple cycles even in its opening months, haha. Only thing I would seriously invest in is maybe some landscaping and rock work around Medusa, which as it stands now is the park's biggest example of a "parking lot coaster". We don't have to build a giant mountain around the thing, but some rock work after the mid course brake run would do wonders.

For the T-Rex, what makes it unique is that it can do everything an RMC can do, but with even more versatility and speed. Test run footage of Wonder Woman at Fiesta Texas looks INSANE thanks to the relentless speed, and that's definitely something we can build on. Having a single rail coaster is just visually really cool and unique, and the T-Rex style allows us to double the capacity of Wonder Woman/Railblazer. Theming doesn't have to be extreme but there should definitely be a T-Rex AA front and center in the middle of the track, almost as if the T-Rex is eating the coaster and the layout of the coaster is basically the result of an "average" coaster being ravaged by a dinosaur. Beyond that as I already said we can easily turn the rest of that area into a dinosaur mini-land with an updated Dinosphere in the 3D theater and adding dinosaur figures along the White Water Safari layout. I'd even take out Tasmanian Devil next to the 3D theater as it's basically a much smaller version of the park's new Wonder Woman flat ride. In its place we can either design a unique flat ride or even an educational exhibit about dinosaurs. (Maybe something that connects the idea that dinosaurs evolved from birds...)

Alright, sounds good. I guess looking at the map I figure the new coaster would connect to medusa and all as it looked right next to them. But a dino area with a connection to birds that stretches from the rapids to the coaster is great. Small aviary replacing the tasmanian devil, new 3D movie. A Disney level themed T-Rex coaster with the dino eating the track. Sounds like a great set up to me.

And taking out the penguin exhibit and stuff to move the Sea Port. Just cut the Sea lions. Maybe we move the dolphin classroom too. Then that area becomes an extension of DC plus Looney Canyon has room to breathe. Love it.

Dude, I freaking LOVE these and as a life-long visitor of the park you really nailed how they like to advertise. Do you think you can make an alternate version of this with the Six Flags logo so I can share it to the park's Facebook page?

Sure, I can do that for ya! Glad you liked them!

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Here's ROUGHLY what I'm thinking for the budget...

300 million - Roadrunner (highly themed, requires extensive placemaking and rerouting, this would include moving the Ocean Discovery stuff over to the current Walrus location)
200 million - T Rex (includes the giant AA and the cost of manufacturing a first of its kind ride)
100 million - new White Water Safari and Dinosphere 3D attraction to complete the dinosaur mini-land.
100 million - Extensive rock work and landscaping for Cobra and Medusa and the surrounding Medusa Plaza area
50 million - Looney Tunes Seaport expansion into Whistlestop Express area/retheme of current Roadrunner coaster/possible new ride in the current footprint of the defunct water playground.

That still leaves us 250 million to play around with for minor cosmetic touch-ups throughout the rest of the park. One thing I would do with the leftover money is remove the park's midway arcade area. Sorry Dino-Rama/Paradise Pier...Carnival games are ALWAYS cheap and don't belong in a Disney park, haha. We could make that area a highly themed walkway. I'm thinking maybe even make it a giant aquarium tunnel.

Come to think of it, if we want to replace the indoor playground then a Duck Dodgers simulator would be AMAZING. Very random, niche idea here but we could do the Bioshock approach of having a lighthouse be the jumping off point to launch us into a space station. Sorry for the double posts, just airing out ideas as they hit me.

I like the lighthouse into space idea. Reminds me of Diddy Kong Racing. Are you sure there is enough room for a simulator? Maybe we just do a smaller 3D theater with a new Looney show. Something that won't take up too much space/money. But if there is room and budget, a duck Dodgers Simulator would be pretty awesome.

Also, maybe add an extra 50 to the TRex coaster. It doesn't need a mountain built around it or anything, but we do need a Disney level experience. So, a fair amount of theming is necessary still. Maybe add a volcano it goes in and around. Or some fossils it flies past and through.

It hasn't really been brought up yet but we might want to think about giving some love to the park's DC area. As it stands now that area contains the three most popular rides in Joker, Superman, and Wonder Woman. We wouldn't need much, just some simple facades ala Magic Mountain's DC area would do wonders to liven it up. Also, a V2 retheme to The Flash is a must. Since it's a launched coaster that already share's Flash's color scheme it'd basically be the easiest retheme of a coaster ever, haha.

I would definitely vote fixing up the DC area thematically. Maybe clone the Justice League ride that is so popular to take up the foot print of where the Dolphin classrooms currently are. Any existing marine animal stuff that doesn't get moved over to Seaport becomes Aquaman themed. Flash coaster retheme of V2. Teen Titans Go Karts. That sounds like a great use of the remaining 200-250 to me.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Dude, I freaking LOVE these and as a life-long visitor of the park you really nailed how they like to advertise. Do you think you can make an alternate version of this with the Six Flags logo so I can share it to the park's Facebook page?

 

[Disney Dad 3000]

played around and came up with these this evening. may need to fool with the coloring some or adjust names pending what we go with.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Discovery Kingdom presentation deliverables (Stolen from @D Hindley):
Simply a rough outline of what we need for the presentation and who might be creating it. Will be filled out as tasks are accomplished.

Anyone want to take up any tasks?

Park and project intro: Tiki (assuming) (2 paragraphs)
Budget breakdown: Tiki

Phase 1 - Prep and Updates

Intro to/ purpose of Phase 1: ??? (1 paragraph)

SeaPort Update/Expansion: ??? (1 paragraph)
- marine exhibits movement/closures: ??? (1-2 sentence)
- Flat rides redos: ??? (1 Paragraph)

DC Land theme update: ??? (1 paragraph)
- V2 to Flash: ??? (1 sentence)
- Go Karts to Teen Titans(?): ??? (1 sentence)
- Justice League Clone: ??? (1 sentence)

Egypt Land Updates: ??? (1-2 sentences)
- Medusa theme update: ??? (1 sentence)
- Cobra/Daredevil/Skyscreamer: ??? (1-3 sentence)

Phase 2 - Looney Tunes Canyon

Intro to Phase 2/Area Description: ??? (1 paragraph)

- Coyote Canyon Coaster: ??? (whole write-up)
- Foghorn Falls: ??? (1 paragraph)
- Yosemite Sam's Saloon: ??? (1 sentence)
- Animal Exhibit: ??? (1 sentence)


Phase 3 - Dino Area

Intro to Phase 3/Area Description: ??? (1 paragraph)

- T-Rex Coaster: ??? (whole write-up)
- Rethemed Rapids: ??? (1 paragraphs)
- New 3D movie: ??? (1 sentence)
- Animal Exhibit: ??? (1 sentence)


Other stuff

Anything else (e.g. buses to DLR): ??? (1 sentence each)
Art: ???
Map: ???
RCT type video: ???​

 

[Pi on my Cake]

played around and came up with these this evening. may need to fool with the coloring some or adjust names pending what we go with.

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I love it!

 

[D Hulk]

Discovery Kingdom presentation deliverables (Stolen from @D Hindley):
Simply a rough outline of what we need for the presentation and who might be creating it. Will be filled out as tasks are accomplished.

Anyone want to take up any tasks?

Park and project intro: Tiki (assuming) (2 paragraphs)
Budget breakdown: Tiki

Phase 1 - Prep and Updates

Intro to/ purpose of Phase 1: ??? (1 paragraph)

SeaPort Update/Expansion: ??? (1 paragraph)
- marine exhibits movement/closures: ??? (1-2 sentence)
- Flat rides redos: ??? (1 Paragraph)

DC Land theme update: ??? (1 paragraph)
- V2 to Flash: ??? (1 sentence)
- Go Karts to Teen Titans(?): ??? (1 sentence)
- Justice League Clone: ??? (1 sentence)

Egypt Land Updates: ??? (1-2 sentences)
- Medusa theme update: ??? (1 sentence)
- Cobra/Daredevil/Skyscreamer: ??? (1-3 sentence)
- Extra (go-carts and catapult): kmbmw777 (1 sentence)

Phase 2 - Looney Tunes Canyon

Intro to Phase 2/Area Description: ??? (1 paragraph)

- Coyote Canyon Coaster: ??? (whole write-up)
- Foghorn Falls: ??? (1 paragraph)
- Yosemite Sam's Saloon: ??? (1 sentence)
- Animal Exhibit: ??? (1 sentence)


Phase 3 - Dino Area

Intro to Phase 3/Area Description: ??? (1 paragraph)

- T-Rex Coaster: ??? (whole write-up)
- Rethemed Rapids: ??? (1 paragraphs)
- New 3D movie: ??? (1 sentence)
- Animal Exhibit: ??? (1 sentence)


Other stuff

Anything else (e.g. buses to DLR): ??? (1 sentence each)
Art: ???
Map: ???
RCT type video: ???​

Well stolen. Was hoping for that. Other groups' active players - @Voxel, @AceAstro, @DisneyFan18 - here's a thing.

Dunno if buses to DLR from the Bay Area are really needed.

 

[DisneyManOne]

Is the Lion King dark ride still on the table?

 

[DisneyFan18]

Well stolen. Was hoping for that. Other groups' active players - @Voxel, @AceAstro, @DisneyFan18 - here's a thing.

Dunno if buses to DLR from the Bay Area are really needed.

Great format! I'll do the Carowinds one soon

 

[Pi on my Cake]

Is the Lion King dark ride still on the table?

It has been pretty much voted down as being too similar to something that could be at real Disney. Like, not a bad idea, just not taking full advantage of the unique round and what it allows

 

[TheOriginalTiki]

Discovery Kingdom presentation deliverables (Stolen from @D Hindley):
Simply a rough outline of what we need for the presentation and who might be creating it. Will be filled out as tasks are accomplished.

Anyone want to take up any tasks?

Park and project intro: Tiki (assuming) (2 paragraphs)
Budget breakdown: Tiki

Phase 1 - Prep and Updates

Intro to/ purpose of Phase 1: ??? (1 paragraph)

SeaPort Update/Expansion: ??? (1 paragraph)
- marine exhibits movement/closures: ??? (1-2 sentence)
- Flat rides redos: ??? (1 Paragraph)

DC Land theme update: ??? (1 paragraph)
- V2 to Flash: ??? (1 sentence)
- Go Karts to Teen Titans(?): ??? (1 sentence)
- Justice League Clone: ??? (1 sentence)

Egypt Land Updates: ??? (1-2 sentences)
- Medusa theme update: ??? (1 sentence)
- Cobra/Daredevil/Skyscreamer: ??? (1-3 sentence)

Phase 2 - Looney Tunes Canyon

Intro to Phase 2/Area Description: ??? (1 paragraph)

- Coyote Canyon Coaster: ??? (whole write-up)
- Foghorn Falls: ??? (1 paragraph)
- Yosemite Sam's Saloon: ??? (1 sentence)
- Animal Exhibit: ??? (1 sentence)


Phase 3 - Dino Area

Intro to Phase 3/Area Description: ??? (1 paragraph)

- T-Rex Coaster: ??? (whole write-up)
- Rethemed Rapids: ??? (1 paragraphs)
- New 3D movie: ??? (1 sentence)
- Animal Exhibit: ??? (1 sentence)


Other stuff

Anything else (e.g. buses to DLR): ??? (1 sentence each)
Art: ???
Map: ???
RCT type video: ???​

I can take the lead on the dinosaur sub-land if others want to focus on Looney Tunes. Just let me know if you have any further questions in terms of layout and placemaking. While were at it I can also do the overhaul of Medusa Plaza since it directly connects with the area around the the T-Rex footprint. Honestly, I'd rather not clone the Justice League dark ride. It would eat up a sizable chunk of our budget and wouldn't be creative in the slightest. I'd instead invest in something Batman related. Perhaps a true dark ride coaster themed around the Nolan trilogy to really show off what the Disney brand can do in the face of the off the shelf "Dark Knight Coaster" clones the chain currently has in operation. You have to remember, the DC area oddly has Superman, Joker, Wonder Woman, a coaster begging to be rethemed to the Flash, PENGUIN even, but no Batman. Whatever we put in the DC area should be entirely Batman focused IMO.

Re: Duck Dodgers...I really do think there's enough room for a small 3D theater along the lines of Minion Mayhem. Nothing too elaborate, but a simple moving seats and screens set up should be very do-able in that space. The only thing we might have to get creative with is queue space, which is where the abandoned water play area footprint might come into play. Extra benefit is that there's a Daffy's Deep Sea Divers flat ride RIGHT THERE! The lighthouse shooting us into space gimmick literally writes itself with the placemaking!

Are we assuming these phases are each being added in consecutive years, or do we want to space it out a bit?

 

[TheOriginalTiki]

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This got almost instant approval from the park's head animal trainer/spokesperson! Captain Lee is actually a really cool element of the park we should definitely maintain. He's the "voice" of the park ala Jack Wagner and does all the pre-recorded PSA announcements and can often times be seen assisting in the tiger show.

 

[TheOriginalTiki]

It's in the back of my mind that were sleeping on the park's animal area. Even if we just do cosmetic touch-ups, I think that really needs to be worked into the budget as it takes up about a fourth of the park's overall footprint when you factor in Tava's Jungleland as well as the surrounding animal exhibits.

 

[mickeyfan5534]

Also, since the gimmick for discovery Kingdom is the real animals, I had an idea for an advertising campaign for the Looney Tunes expansion.

Real meets Looney
A series of ads with Looney Tunes animals seeing real life equivalents and being confused.

I whipped this up real quick as an example

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I know this was a couple days ago, but Real Looney might roll off the tongue and stick to people better.

 

[Disney Dad 3000]

Discovery Kingdom presentation deliverables (Stolen from @D Hindley):
Simply a rough outline of what we need for the presentation and who might be creating it. Will be filled out as tasks are accomplished.

Anyone want to take up any tasks?

Park and project intro: Tiki (assuming) (2 paragraphs)
Budget breakdown: Tiki

Phase 1 - Prep and Updates

Intro to/ purpose of Phase 1: ??? (1 paragraph)

SeaPort Update/Expansion: ??? (1 paragraph)
- marine exhibits movement/closures: ??? (1-2 sentence)
- Flat rides redos: ??? (1 Paragraph)

DC Land theme update: ??? (1 paragraph)
- V2 to Flash: ??? (1 sentence)
- Go Karts to Teen Titans(?): ??? (1 sentence)
- Justice League Clone: ??? (1 sentence)

Egypt Land Updates: ??? (1-2 sentences)
- Medusa theme update: ??? (1 sentence)
- Cobra/Daredevil/Skyscreamer: ??? (1-3 sentence)

Phase 2 - Looney Tunes Canyon

Intro to Phase 2/Area Description: ??? (1 paragraph)

- Coyote Canyon Coaster: ??? (whole write-up)
- Foghorn Falls: ??? (1 paragraph)
- Yosemite Sam's Saloon: ??? (1 sentence)
- Animal Exhibit: ??? (1 sentence)


Phase 3 - Dino Area

Intro to Phase 3/Area Description: ??? (1 paragraph)

- T-Rex Coaster: ??? (whole write-up)
- Rethemed Rapids: ??? (1 paragraphs)
- New 3D movie: ??? (1 sentence)
- Animal Exhibit: ??? (1 sentence)


Other stuff

Anything else (e.g. buses to DLR): ??? (1 sentence each)
Art: ???
Map: ???
RCT type video: ???​

I'm not as in tune with the phase 1 and 3 stuff but since most of its a sentence or paragraph here or there I think will be knocked out fast. Trex and RR are the biggies.
I think with all the good ideas from you and Tiki, a large chunk of this stuff is done, just needs to be formalized. I've had a couple random things pop up so sat/sun I'll need to work to set aside time.

worst case I can work on the phase 2 intro and foghorn falls. Where was Yosemite Sam's going? Can do that too. Working on a drawing for RR too.
I don't want to take all the LT stuff in case someone is really interested (Brer, Pi?) In the roadrunner, but happy to help there too.

I'll go into the slide presentation tonight and start labeling/inserting pages for the presentation layout.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

I can take the lead on the dinosaur sub-land if others want to focus on Looney Tunes. Just let me know if you have any further questions in terms of layout and placemaking. While were at it I can also do the overhaul of Medusa Plaza since it directly connects with the area around the the T-Rex footprint. Honestly, I'd rather not clone the Justice League dark ride. It would eat up a sizable chunk of our budget and wouldn't be creative in the slightest. I'd instead invest in something Batman related. Perhaps a true dark ride coaster themed around the Nolan trilogy to really show off what the Disney brand can do in the face of the off the shelf "Dark Knight Coaster" clones the chain currently has in operation. You have to remember, the DC area oddly has Superman, Joker, Wonder Woman, a coaster begging to be rethemed to the Flash, PENGUIN even, but no Batman. Whatever we put in the DC area should be entirely Batman focused IMO.

Re: Duck Dodgers...I really do think there's enough room for a small 3D theater along the lines of Minion Mayhem. Nothing too elaborate, but a simple moving seats and screens set up should be very do-able in that space. The only thing we might have to get creative with is queue space, which is where the abandoned water play area footprint might come into play. Extra benefit is that there's a Daffy's Deep Sea Divers flat ride RIGHT THERE! The lighthouse shooting us into space gimmick literally writes itself with the placemaking!

Are we assuming these phases are each being added in consecutive years, or do we want to space it out a bit?

Something Batman makes sense then. I don't know if we'd have enough budget left for a full dark ride coaster. Maybe a stunt show?

And sure, if there's space and budget, Duck dodgers simulator sounds good.

And honestly, I was just gonna copy the phases time frame from the Magic Mountain team lol. But we can change that.

This got almost instant approval from the park's head animal trainer/spokesperson! Captain Lee is actually a really cool element of the park we should definitely maintain. He's the "voice" of the park ala Jack Wagner and does all the pre-recorded PSA announcements and can often times be seen assisting in the tiger show.
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Cool!

It's in the back of my mind that were sleeping on the park's animal area. Even if we just do cosmetic touch-ups, I think that really needs to be worked into the budget as it takes up about a fourth of the park's overall footprint when you factor in Tava's Jungleland as well as the surrounding animal exhibits.

I'm not against putting 50 mill towards animal updates as part of phase one.

I'm not as in tune with the phase 1 and 3 stuff but since most of its a sentence or paragraph here or there I think will be knocked out fast. Trex and RR are the biggies.
I think with all the good ideas from you and Tiki, a large chunk of this stuff is done, just needs to be formalized. I've had a couple random things pop up so sat/sun I'll need to work to set aside time.

worst case I can work on the phase 2 intro and foghorn falls. Where was Yosemite Sam's going? Can do that too. Working on a drawing for RR too.
I don't want to take all the LT stuff in case someone is really interested (Brer, Pi?) In the roadrunner, but happy to help there too.

I'll go into the slide presentation tonight and start labeling/inserting pages for the presentation layout.

I think that sounds great! Me and you can take much of the Looney Stuff. Tiki and brer can take much of dino. Like you said, the other stuff will be quick.