Taika Waititi to Direct Thor: Love and Thunder (2022)

[mary2013]

End credits are interesting. Without giving too much away since this is not a spoiler thread, I wonder if this is going to be tied to a certain future Disney Live Action film, is Disney linking some of their other IP to the MCU? I would bet no, but it would be an interesting theory if it was.

The character you are referring to is a Marvel Comics character and has appeared in many stories with Thor. It has nothing to do with Disney "IP".

 

[MisterPenguin]

I really liked it.

You could see that Thor was going through a bit of a midlife crisis. Something that Taika explained was exactly what he is going for with this film, so well done there.

I liked the Jane story arch, straight out of the comics with a slight change to fit the MCU, so also well done there.

End credits are interesting. Without giving too much away since this is not a spoiler thread, I wonder if this is going to be tied to a certain future Disney Live Action film, is Disney linking some of their other IP to the MCU? I would bet no, but it would be an interesting theory if it was.

The character you are referring to is a Marvel Comics character and has appeared in many stories with Thor. It has nothing to do with Disney "IP".

Spoiler

Correct. Hercules the god in Marvel comics is totally different from Hercules the Disney animation character. No crossover.

 

[Disney Irish]

The character you are referring to is a Marvel Comics character and has appeared in many stories with Thor. It has nothing to do with Disney "IP".

I'm very aware of Marvel Comics character and his adventures/battles with Thor. What I was talking about is that there is a Disney Live Action movie based on Disney's animated version of the character being produced right now. I just thought it would be interesting if Disney decided to do a crossover and merge their IPs together. I even said I would bet it wouldn't happen, just thought it would be interesting if they did it.

 

[mary2013]

I'm very aware of Marvel Comics character and his adventures/battles with Thor. What I was talking about is that there is a Disney Live Action movie based on Disney's animated version of the character being produced right now. I just thought it would be interesting if Disney decided to do a crossover and merge their IPs together. I even said I would bet it wouldn't happen, just thought it would be interesting if they did it.

You mean like SP:NWH and the 3 Peter Parkers?

This conversation would probably be easier in the Spoiler thread.

 

[Disney Irish]

You mean like SP:NWH and the 3 Peter Parkers?

This conversation would probably be easier in the Spoiler thread.

Moved it over to the spoiler thread so its easier to talk about.

 

[DCLcruiser]

Yeah, its a huge story line happening right now in the comics, just started in 2019. Now she goes by Valkyrie in the comics, which wouldn't work in the MCU, so she'd probably need a name change. But I like that story line better than Mighty Thor for Jane.

I like that story line for future movies.

 

[TP2000]

Thor had a steeper than usual drop in box office for its second weekend, it's running out of steam faster than planned. This Rotten Tomatoes article lays that out, plus some great commentary on Minions and Lightyear and Top Gun, and what that all may mean for Marvel's future.

Shock News: Minions may get more box office than Thor this summer.

Weekend Box Office Results: Thor: Love and Thunder Stays on Top Despite Big Drop

Thor suffered one of the biggest second-weekend drops of the MCU, while Minions: The Rise of Gru continues to dominate the family-friendly offerings.

editorial.rottentomatoes.com

 

[tcool123]

Thor had a steeper than usual drop in box office for its second weekend, it's running out of steam faster than planned. This Rotten Tomatoes article lays that out, plus some great commentary on Minions and Lightyear and Top Gun, and what that all may mean for Marvel's future.

Shock News: Minions may get more box office than Thor this summer.

Weekend Box Office Results: Thor: Love and Thunder Stays on Top Despite Big Drop

Thor suffered one of the biggest second-weekend drops of the MCU, while Minions: The Rise of Gru continues to dominate the family-friendly offerings.

editorial.rottentomatoes.com

Why would it be a shock? Not a single one of the Thor movies grossed more than the first Minions, nor did any of the Thor movies outperform four out of the five films in the Despicable Franchise. Historically, it would be a shock if Minions DIDNT outperform Thor

Thor: Love and Thunder itself is by no means a failure it has already grossed 712 million worldwide, and will likely come close if not surpass the gross of Thor: Ragnarok (854 million). While the reviews and audience reception may be a cause of concern it's likely not anything too dramatic as the film is shaping up to be a financial success, and I'm sure once you factor in merchandise (I feel like everyone and their mom has a Mjolnir popcorn bucket now), the incremental amount it'll receive from home media, and streaming then I'm sure there will be satisfaction.

 

[Sharon&Susan]

Why would it be a shock? Not a single one of the Thor movies grossed more than the first Minions, nor did any of the Thor movies outperform four out of the five films in the Despicable Franchise. Historically, it would be a shock if Minions DIDNT outperform Thor

Thor: Love and Thunder itself is by no means a failure it has already grossed 712 million worldwide, and will likely come close if not surpass the gross of Thor: Ragnarok (854 million). While the reviews and audience reception may be a cause of concern it's likely not anything too dramatic as the film is shaping up to be a financial success, and I'm sure once you factor in merchandise (I feel like everyone and their mom has a Mjolnir popcorn bucket now), the incremental amount it'll receive from home media, and streaming then I'm sure there will be satisfaction.

I think $712 million is a typo from Box Office Mojo. Variety and Forbes are both reporting that Thor has made a bit under $500 million worldwide which seems far more reasonable.

Box Office: ‘Thor 4’ Falls Record 68% But Nears $500 Million Worldwide

Even with a record (for Marvel) second-weekend drop, 'Thor: Love and Thunder' is still on a path to pass $300 million domestic and $700 million worldwide.

www.forbes.com

Box Office: ‘Thor 4’ Nears $500 Million Globally, ‘Jurassic World Dominion’ Digs Up $900 Million

"Thor: Love and Thunder" is nearing the $500 million mark at the global box office, a great result after only 10 days on the big screen.

variety.com

 

[TP2000]

...and I'm sure once you factor in merchandise (I feel like everyone and their mom has a Mjolnir popcorn bucket now), the incremental amount it'll receive from home media, and streaming then I'm sure there will be satisfaction.

Does Marvel Studios get a cut of the popcorn buckets the theme parks sell? That seems... odd.

But maybe there's some convoluted inter-divisional financial accounting process where Marvel gets a cut of Thor popcorn bucket sales in Anaheim and Orlando, and Pixar gets a cut of Mr. Potato Head sales at the Midway Mania gift shop?

I would think the theme park divisions themselves get the vast majority of profits from the Chinese made plastic they sell in Exit Thru The Gift Shops in Anaheim and Orlando. Or at a dozen popcorn stands in a couple of theme parks.

Do popcorn bucket sales really paper over box office weakness to a meaningful degree?

 

[flynnibus]

Do popcorn bucket sales really paper over box office weakness to a meaningful degree?

Or simply put... they are finding more ways to generate revenues that aren't necessarily seen in the box office #s. Pushing merch upsells in the theatres themselves are a shadow revenue stream in these discussions.

 

[flynnibus]

Thor had a steeper than usual drop in box office for its second weekend, it's running out of steam faster than planned. This Rotten Tomatoes article lays that out, plus some great commentary on Minions and Lightyear and Top Gun, and what that all may mean for Marvel's future.

Shock News: Minions may get more box office than Thor this summer.

Weekend Box Office Results: Thor: Love and Thunder Stays on Top Despite Big Drop

Thor suffered one of the biggest second-weekend drops of the MCU, while Minions: The Rise of Gru continues to dominate the family-friendly offerings.

editorial.rottentomatoes.com

Unspoken in that editorial is... maybe movie going patterns are just changing for these kinds of films?

When you have a franchise that is dominated by a 'core' fanbase... that fanbase is going to be far more condensed. They want to see it, and then they are done. Not nearly as much bleed over into the 'worth of mouth' leading to more and more sales as the weeks go on. This differs from a film that needs to be 'discovered' and more and more people get enlightened to want to check it out.

These superhero fan bases are not going to be as strung out over the weeks.

I mean we see it in films in general... shorter and shorter stays in the theatres.. and MCU films are exaggerating the front loading.

 

[tcool123]

I think $712 million is a typo from Box Office Mojo. Variety and Forbes are both reporting that Thor has made a bit under $500 million worldwide which seems far more reasonable.

Box Office: ‘Thor 4’ Falls Record 68% But Nears $500 Million Worldwide

Even with a record (for Marvel) second-weekend drop, 'Thor: Love and Thunder' is still on a path to pass $300 million domestic and $700 million worldwide.

www.forbes.com

Box Office: ‘Thor 4’ Nears $500 Million Globally, ‘Jurassic World Dominion’ Digs Up $900 Million

"Thor: Love and Thunder" is nearing the $500 million mark at the global box office, a great result after only 10 days on the big screen.

variety.com

Box Office Mojo how could you do this to me

Does Marvel Studios get a cut of the popcorn buckets the theme parks sell? That seems... odd.

But maybe there's some convoluted inter-divisional financial accounting process where Marvel gets a cut of Thor popcorn bucket sales in Anaheim and Orlando, and Pixar gets a cut of Mr. Potato Head sales at the Midway Mania gift shop?

I would think the theme park divisions themselves get the vast majority of profits from the Chinese made plastic they sell in Exit Thru The Gift Shops in Anaheim and Orlando. Or at a dozen popcorn stands in a couple of theme parks.

Do popcorn bucket sales really paper over box office weakness to a meaningful degree?

Wasnt a theme park bucket it’s a bucket from AMC, so I’d imagine someone somewhere got paid for the rights to use Mjolnir’s image from the films. It was also just an example of merchandising revenue generated from licensing. One thing doesn’t change much, but alot of merchandise and licensing deals start to add up.

My point was that with the additional revenue streams the film would be fine, that was when I was used the Box Office Mojo numbers. However, I still stand by the statement that the film itself will perform fine.

 

[TP2000]

Unspoken in that editorial is... maybe movie going patterns are just changing for these kinds of films?

Maybe? But if they wanted to say that in the editorial, they would have said that. That's what an editorial is for, to say what you mean.

What the Rotten Tomatoes editorial writer did say is that Thor had a sharper than usual dropoff in box office on its second weekend, and if the trends hold Minions will get a bigger summer box office total than Thor will.

 

[flynnibus]

Maybe? But if they wanted to say that in the editorial, they would have said that. That's what an editorial is for, to say what you mean.

I mean maybe the writer is missing that from his observations. Superhero films, especially in a long running franchise like the MCU are going to develop patterns that differ from films that try to get organic staying power.

In short... MCU films are going to be like sugar highs... big bang followed by quick crash.

 

[TP2000]

I mean maybe the writer is missing that from his observations. Superhero films, especially in a long running franchise like the MCU are going to develop patterns that differ from films that try to get organic staying power.

In short... MCU films are going to be like sugar highs... big bang followed by quick crash.

Ah, got it.

What Disney needs is one of its very expensive movie studios, any studio, that can deliver a blockbuster summer hit with staying power. Like Top Gun, or Minions, or even Jurassic Whatever. So far this summer, it's not happening either from Pixar, Disney, or Marvel.

Although Thor certainly did well it's first weekend out. But it seems to be fading faster than planned.

Thor: Love and Thunder Suffers One of the Worst Drops In MCU History (Box Office)

Thor: Love and Thunder has suffered one of the MCU’s worst second-weekend drops.

thedirect.com

And this second article below mentions that some fans may just be waiting 45 days to watch Thor "for free!" on their Disney+ subscription. Honestly, I'm just baffled by what Burbank's strategy there is by releasing these mega-budget movies onto their money-losing streaming service so quickly. After spending $250 Million to make a film, why not wait a year or so instead to release it for eight bucks via streaming? The strategy (if they even have one) behind how they are handling Disney+ is forever baffling to me, and doesn't seem to be helping their bottom line.

‘Thor: Love and Thunder’ Has Franchise-Worst Box Office Fall in Second Weekend, Adds $46 Million

'Love and Thunder' is on the verge of passing $500 million at the global box office.

collider.com

 

[Disney Irish]

Ah, got it.

What Disney needs is one of its very expensive movie studios, any studio, that can deliver a blockbuster summer hit with staying power. Like Top Gun, or Minions, or even Jurassic Whatever. So far this summer, it's not happening either from Pixar, Disney, or Marvel.

Although Thor certainly did well it's first weekend out. But it seems to be fading faster than planned.

Thor: Love and Thunder Suffers One of the Worst Drops In MCU History (Box Office)

Thor: Love and Thunder has suffered one of the MCU’s worst second-weekend drops.

thedirect.com

And this second article below mentions that some fans may just be waiting 45 days to watch Thor "for free!" on their Disney+ subscription. Honestly, I'm just baffled by what Burbank's strategy there is by releasing these mega-budget movies onto their money-losing streaming service so quickly. After spending $250 Million to make a film, why not wait a year or so instead to release it for eight bucks via streaming? The strategy (if they even have one) behind how they are handling Disney+ is forever baffling to me, and doesn't seem to be helping their bottom line.

‘Thor: Love and Thunder’ Has Franchise-Worst Box Office Fall in Second Weekend, Adds $46 Million

'Love and Thunder' is on the verge of passing $500 million at the global box office.

collider.com

You want to know what Burbank's strategy is for streaming, its called the Ad Tier:

The company says that it received commitments totaling $9 billion, 40 percent of which was earmarked for digital and streaming. Disney’s upcoming Disney+ ad tier, joined by Hulu and ESPN+, led the streaming ad results.

Disney+ Ad Tier, Live Sports Help Drive Disney’s $9B Upfront

The company says it received $9 billion in advertising commitments.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[MisterPenguin]

What Disney needs is one of its very expensive movie studios, any studio, that can deliver a blockbuster summer hit with staying power. Like Top Gun, or Minions, or even Jurassic Whatever. So far this summer, it's not happening either from Pixar, Disney, or Marvel.

I guess the $.95 Billion that Doctor Strange made is just chopped liver.

Disney Live action is almost completely releasing to D+ this year.

 

[BrianLo]

Disney has been the highest grossing Production Studio for the last decade, save for 2014 when they were beat out by Fox and 2020, which is not really a year.

 

[Disney Irish]

Disney has been the highest grossing Production Studio for the last decade, save for 2014 when they were beat out by Fox and 2020, which is not really a year.

Some just take pleasure out of what they perceive as current Disney management stumbling and so like to highlight it over and over......