Orange Cat
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@DashHaber has a good point for the setting. As for more intricate details, I’ll have my own proposal up sometime today
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SYWTBAI Season 18 - Round One: Team Next Gen Brainstorming Thread
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PerGron
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Just keep in mind there is set to already be a (presumably) space themed coaster in the park, unless we can say it’s not coming
NigelChanning
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Right, I didn’t think about that.
goofyyukyuk
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Would it be helpful for me to create a more in depth LotR proposal to help with decision making or are we good with what we have?
Outbound
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Go ahead! Imo we don’t need any more detail for the LOTR side of voting but it’s always great to hear new ideas.
goofyyukyuk
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Entry:
Step into a Hobbit hole as your entry to this land. Walk through the home of Bilbo Baggins and exit into the Shire! This land will contain a Green Dragon Inn-themed restaurant and an advanced dark ride appealing to all ages through the events of the Lord of the Rings. The entire area will be themed to be a small village in the Shire, set a few years after the defeat of Sauron. The village will be celebrating the anniversary of Sauron’s defeat, with a “One Ring” spinner like the Mad Tea Party and a Great Eagle-themed Astro Orbiter=type spinner. There will be a pathway leading to Rivendell with a diverging path towards the Lonely Mountain.
The Lonely Mountain:
This area will contain an epic story-telling roller coaster taking guests through the history of the dwarves, including an encounter with Smaug. There will be a mine-themed quick service restaurant akin to Vulcania in Tokyo DisneySea.
Rivendell:
The primary attractor of this area will be an immersive Elvish restaurant, but there will also be a stage show telling the story of the Elves.
Let me know what you think about this! I think these ideas preserve the integrity and realism of the land while providing a wide range of appeals for all audiences and maintaining the epic-ness of this world.
Step into a Hobbit hole as your entry to this land. Walk through the home of Bilbo Baggins and exit into the Shire! This land will contain a Green Dragon Inn-themed restaurant and an advanced dark ride appealing to all ages through the events of the Lord of the Rings. The entire area will be themed to be a small village in the Shire, set a few years after the defeat of Sauron. The village will be celebrating the anniversary of Sauron’s defeat, with a “One Ring” spinner like the Mad Tea Party and a Great Eagle-themed Astro Orbiter=type spinner. There will be a pathway leading to Rivendell with a diverging path towards the Lonely Mountain.
The Lonely Mountain:
This area will contain an epic story-telling roller coaster taking guests through the history of the dwarves, including an encounter with Smaug. There will be a mine-themed quick service restaurant akin to Vulcania in Tokyo DisneySea.
Rivendell:
The primary attractor of this area will be an immersive Elvish restaurant, but there will also be a stage show telling the story of the Elves.
Let me know what you think about this! I think these ideas preserve the integrity and realism of the land while providing a wide range of appeals for all audiences and maintaining the epic-ness of this world.
DashHaber
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Another idea for a Star Trek attraction could be a shooter dark ride somewhat inspired by the TOS episode "Arena".
For the ride, we would be Starfleet recruits, sent to help out a Starfleet outpost that is under attack from two opposing forces: the Gorn and the Klingons. Sent over via transporter, we would climb into transport cars and be provided with phasers (set to stun, of course). As it turns out, this three-way battle has been engineered by Q, a reality-altering extra-dimensional being who's taken this conflict over resources and turn it into his own little war game. Thus, we'd have to find a way not only of surviving a battle against these two forces, but also pull out a win over Q's game.
For the ride, we would be Starfleet recruits, sent to help out a Starfleet outpost that is under attack from two opposing forces: the Gorn and the Klingons. Sent over via transporter, we would climb into transport cars and be provided with phasers (set to stun, of course). As it turns out, this three-way battle has been engineered by Q, a reality-altering extra-dimensional being who's taken this conflict over resources and turn it into his own little war game. Thus, we'd have to find a way not only of surviving a battle against these two forces, but also pull out a win over Q's game.
Sharon&Susan
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Sorry for the late reply, but I chose Star Trek over LoTR because there's no Sci-Fi area, while there's already a Fantasy one with HTTYD. I'm relatively unfamiliar with both IPs, but Star Trek is easier for me to access (for research) as I already have a Netflix subscription. I love @DashHaber ideas so far!
PerGron
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No that’s totally fair and everyone should vote with the one that they think they can do the best with. Personally I don’t think Star Trek is it, but if that’s what the group decides, then that’s what we go with. It’s a team round, so we go with the team decision. That being said, it’s 4-4 now with 2 not responding, so we’ll see how it goes
Disneylover152
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If I'm gonna be honest, I don't know much about either property. I'm in the same boat with @Sharon&Susan , I think LOTR is going to be redundant with HTTYD in the same park. Star Trek is easier for me to access as well, and I feel like Star Trek offers a genre Universal doesn't really have in the US parks (besides Men in Black).
I think Star Trek has more potential than LOTR. LOTR just feels redundant with other properties that are currently in the parks- Potter, Lost Continent, HHTYD, etc.
I'd have to research more about both, which I've been holding off on until we pick an IP.
PerGron
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While I personally disagree, that’s totally fair. I do think with our land replacing Fantastic Beasts LotR wouldn’t be any more redundant than that, but that’s your opinion.
We’re just waiting on @ThatGuyFromFlorida to voice his opinion and we’ll either A. Have our Property, or B. Break a tie.
Outbound
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For everyone who has Netflix, I highly recommend watching the following episodes of Star Trek TOS Season 1 to understand what the show is all about:
- The Corbonite Maneuver
- Arena
- Devil in the Dark
PerGron
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Just a little bit for those voting Star Trek, I just wanna explain the LotR camp, at least from my end. Not to sway you to my side, but just to make it make more sense since I see a lot of you aren’t familiar with either property.
My first point is that I think LotR would draw in more guests. Like Harry Potter and Star Wars, it has a huge fanbase but is also accessible to those who aren’t really massive fans of that type of film.
Lord of the Rings features countless locales that are iconic both to fans and non-fans that would all make great land locations. Places like Mordor and Hobbiton are recognizable to most people, even if you’ve never seen the movie. I’d also argue that characters like Gandalf, Gollum, and Frodo/Bilbo Baggins are just as iconic as Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker, and Voldemort to both those who have watched the films and those who have not.
I’d argue that a Lord of the Rings themed land would by wholly unique from the three lands mentioned above. Harry Potter is set in a modern day society and features a lot of more modern themes, whereas Lord of the Rings is a sweeping adventure full of iconic creatures, picturesque landscapes, and memorable storylines. It’s much more like a fantastic game of Dungeons and Dragons (something very much inspired by LotR) than a Harry Potter or a How to Train Your Dragon. LotR is the reason franchises like that exist, having been the inspiration for most High Fantasy and even other versions of fantasy like the other properties in the parks.
Middle Earth is a world begging to be explored and I know that we could make it absolutely astounding, between recreating the Misty Mountains and Rivendell and making rides inspired by some amazing and classic scenes. I’d say that Lord of the Rings would put Epic Universe on the map as a must go tourist destination just as much as Nintendo. LotR is the definition of Epic.
My biggest case against Star Trek is that I feel like it’s not as “epic.” Most of the show was smaller scale, which is a bit weird for a show about exploring the universe, but it focused less on the Adventure and more on lessons. Sure, there is tons of stuff to choose from, but I don’t think it’d be as cohesive as a Middle Earth would be. I fear we’d have to pull from specific episodes or the films, and people who aren’t fans wouldn’t be as clear on it as they would in Middle Earth. The world of Star Trek just isn’t as fleshed out and isn’t as welcoming. There aren’t many iconic locations beyond the Enterprise and you can’t really set the whole land on one relatively small ship.
The other issue is the timeline. Star Trek fans are picky about which timeline they like and which they don’t. Some only love the OS while some only like TNG. We’d have to pick one timeline, which isn’t an issue in and of itself, but is when trying to pull fans.
I just don’t think Star Trek would pull people into the park the same way as LotR. However, this is just my defense of choosing LotR. I look forward to whatever we pick
My first point is that I think LotR would draw in more guests. Like Harry Potter and Star Wars, it has a huge fanbase but is also accessible to those who aren’t really massive fans of that type of film.
Lord of the Rings features countless locales that are iconic both to fans and non-fans that would all make great land locations. Places like Mordor and Hobbiton are recognizable to most people, even if you’ve never seen the movie. I’d also argue that characters like Gandalf, Gollum, and Frodo/Bilbo Baggins are just as iconic as Harry Potter, Luke Skywalker, and Voldemort to both those who have watched the films and those who have not.
I’d argue that a Lord of the Rings themed land would by wholly unique from the three lands mentioned above. Harry Potter is set in a modern day society and features a lot of more modern themes, whereas Lord of the Rings is a sweeping adventure full of iconic creatures, picturesque landscapes, and memorable storylines. It’s much more like a fantastic game of Dungeons and Dragons (something very much inspired by LotR) than a Harry Potter or a How to Train Your Dragon. LotR is the reason franchises like that exist, having been the inspiration for most High Fantasy and even other versions of fantasy like the other properties in the parks.
Middle Earth is a world begging to be explored and I know that we could make it absolutely astounding, between recreating the Misty Mountains and Rivendell and making rides inspired by some amazing and classic scenes. I’d say that Lord of the Rings would put Epic Universe on the map as a must go tourist destination just as much as Nintendo. LotR is the definition of Epic.
My biggest case against Star Trek is that I feel like it’s not as “epic.” Most of the show was smaller scale, which is a bit weird for a show about exploring the universe, but it focused less on the Adventure and more on lessons. Sure, there is tons of stuff to choose from, but I don’t think it’d be as cohesive as a Middle Earth would be. I fear we’d have to pull from specific episodes or the films, and people who aren’t fans wouldn’t be as clear on it as they would in Middle Earth. The world of Star Trek just isn’t as fleshed out and isn’t as welcoming. There aren’t many iconic locations beyond the Enterprise and you can’t really set the whole land on one relatively small ship.
The other issue is the timeline. Star Trek fans are picky about which timeline they like and which they don’t. Some only love the OS while some only like TNG. We’d have to pick one timeline, which isn’t an issue in and of itself, but is when trying to pull fans.
I just don’t think Star Trek would pull people into the park the same way as LotR. However, this is just my defense of choosing LotR. I look forward to whatever we pick
goofyyukyuk
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I completely agree @PerGronStudio. I think LOTR satisfies that “epic” requirement while also having the ability to bring in loads of guests. Something I’ve been thinking about is what version of Star Trek is being voted for? There’s so many different versions of the TV/movie series that I worry that we’ll devolve into another debate over which version to choose if we aren’t clear on that from the outset, as opposed to there only being one LOTR franchise. Just something to think about...
CookieMouse
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I think I’ll go for lord of the rings. I have never really been familiar with either, but I know more about lord of the rings because my mom and dad took me to see the hobbit movies with them and my brother when I was around 8 - 10 years old.
goofyyukyuk
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And that makes it a tie... so does anybody have any ideas (other than randomizing the IP) to determine what we use?
NigelChanning
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I do agree that LoTR is more recognizable. I’ve never seen nor read Lord of the Rings or any of its sequels but I do find myself saying “You shall not pass” and “my precious” pretty often. Star Trek is easy to access for many people on this forum. I unfortunately don’t have Netflix anymore and I don’t have Amazon, which is what I believe has LoTR on it. While many others (including me) find themselves making the Vulcan hand symbol, LoTR is undoubtedly more recognizable among non-fans. And I strongly believe that this will bring in people just like The Wizarding World did.
Epic Universe doesn’t yet have a sci-fi land so Star Trek provides more of a variety among the areas and die-hard fans of the series will 100% flock to the land. I’m still voting for Star Trek because I feel it can be more cohesive as an immersive environment, however.
Star Trek and LoTR are both IP’s that I’m unfamiliar with. I was told that those unfamiliar with the IP chosen are helpful because it provides a POV from the average guest. I understand this but I believe that to be creative and involved in the project, you must first be passionate about it. I’m pretty sure that since we started early, this round won’t have a loser being voted off so we can venture out a little more this week. Hopefully, as we move forward, we can choose more IP’s that everyone is familiar with and thus more passionate about. Star Trek and LoTR both match the “Epic” theme of the park and hopefully next time we won’t have that restraint.
NigelChanning
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I’m still voting for Bikini Bottom lol
Orange Cat
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That’s a fair point. It kinda puts off the idea of a Star Trek area in general. I was thinking more creativity/immersion than realism/iconic-ness. To be honest either ones fine.
I’ll just withdraw my vote