News Swan and Dolphin Tower Expansion - The Walt Disney World Swan Reserve

[Bocabear]

Site plans have been published.

I have not seen them...

 

[danlb_2000]

Isn’t the new tower not even being built by Disney ?

It is not a Disney hotel.

 

[danlb_2000]

I have not seen them...

 

[Texas84]

It'll give it some class.

That kind of works. Flightless water fowl, dolphins and swans.

 

[GhostHost1000]

Gonna post this design Michael Graves did for Singapore for the bagillionth time in this thread.

is that the McDonalds hotel?

 

[Horizons '83]

is that the McDonalds hotel?

It's fairly ugly IMHO

 

[RSoxNo1]

Gonna post this design Michael Graves did for Singapore for the bagillionth time in this thread.

That looks like a painful suppository.

 

[Bocabear]

thanks for that: Well after seeing that, it is quite frankl;y not connected to the Swan and Dolphin at all...and even has it's own pool...so technically, though in view line, it is not part of the other two landmark hotels....

 

[MisterPenguin]

thanks for that: Well after seeing that, it is quite frankl;y not connected to the Swan and Dolphin at all...and even has it's own pool...so technically, though in view line, it is not part of the other two landmark hotels....

Well, both Swan and Dolphin have their own pools, too, and yet, guests can freely use any of the other hotel's amenities. You can tell by how they're landscaping around the road that separates them, that they expect guests of The Office* to also use the Swolphin's amenities. This is also especially true since guests at The Office will be walking over to the Swolphin;s conference facilities, too.

The real question is whether guests of the Swolphin can use The Office's secluded pool.


*Placeholder name.

 

[danlb_2000]

Well, both Swan and Dolphin have their own pools, too, and yet, guests can freely use any of the other hotel's amenities. You can tell by how they're landscaping around the road that separates them, that they expect guests of The Office* to also use the Swolphin's amenities. This is also especially true since guests at The Office will be walking over to the Swolphin;s conference facilities, too.

The real question is whether guests of the Swolphin can use The Office's secluded pool.


*Placeholder name.

The Swan and Dolphin both have a lap pools, but they share the larger pool complex.

 

[MisterPenguin]

The Swan and Dolphin both have a lap pools, but they share the larger pool complex.

Right, and they're both shared by all Swolphin guests, too. Just like their own hot tubs.

 

[build_it]

Crockford’s Tower in Singapore has a good LED lighting package, letting them change the colors of the top of the building at night. Kind of like the lighting package between the two hotels at the Swan and Dolphin....

 

[eddie104]

It is not a Disney hotel.

Exactly so they don't really have a say in the design like I thought.

 

[lazyboy97o]

Exactly so they don't really have a say in the design like I thought.

No, but they could have offered a similar deal as to the one made in the 1980s. Disney paid Michael Graves' fees for the Swan and Dolphin.

 

[danlb_2000]

Exactly so they don't really have a say in the design like I thought.

The hotel is on Disney property, so I imagine they have some say.

 

[DznyRktekt]

No, but they could have offered a similar deal as to the one made in the 1980s. Disney paid Michael Graves' fees for the Swan and Dolphin.

Any insight as to if that was a % or fixed fee?

 

[Jambo Joe]

Well, both Swan and Dolphin have their own pools, too, and yet, guests can freely use any of the other hotel's amenities. You can tell by how they're landscaping around the road that separates them, that they expect guests of The Office* to also use the Swolphin's amenities. This is also especially true since guests at The Office will be walking over to the Swolphin;s conference facilities, too.

The real question is whether guests of the Swolphin can use The Office's secluded pool.


*Placeholder name.

I am imagining saying ‘the office’ like Sheldon Cooper says it in that episode of the Big Bang.

 

[Missing20K]

I wonder if someone decided to specify floor-to-ceiling windows, thus limiting the architectural options? Not saying that you can't do something interesting with floor to ceiling windows, just that it precludes a bunch of subclasses of post-modern. Economics also probably dictated the L shaped rectangular design on the limited footprint they had to work with, so we couldn't have any interesting shapes like the Swan or the Dolphin. It's unfortunate.

Subclasses such as?

The new hotel isn’t just ugly, it creates visual chaos in that neighborhood of Crescent Lake. Any addition will create an instruison from the intended vision. That’s why the aesthetic language comes up as a compromise, but the best solution would be one that takes the east and southeast parts of the complex into consideration. As an example.

It's not great in a lot of ways. While I personally don't believe the siting is horrific, because of it's placement between the two existing hotels and across from Crescent Lake, it needed to be grounded in a complementary, if not imitative, design aesthetic. It does not appear to be grounded in any real design aesthetic other than "Curtain Wall", exposed Structure, and Revit.

Due to the vague aesthetic, it does indeed create a visual disturbances to the original complex and not in a complementary way. Siting the building in the east or southeast of the parcel, while avoiding a visual disruption to Crescent Lake, would, imo, cause even more "chaos" and compromise the integrity of the Dolphin even further. Appearing as an appendage instead of a well-thought out, carefully planned, new design (it appears this is not what is happening).

The Resorts World Hotel by Graves in Singapore that is being cited, while a visually interesting project, would not fit well with the Swolphin complex. Simply being of a similar forms and color palette would not have been sufficient to have proper interplay between the existing and the new. Also, the photo below shows a better idea of the entirety of the Resorts World complex and is a better indicator of how the singular building relates to the rest of the parcel. This would not occur at Crescent Lake with that building.

And of course we are all entitled to our own opinion, but this thread might be the most fun I've ever had on this site. We have not only Disney Construction fans on the forums, we have Architecture fans too!!!

Any insight as to if that was a % or fixed fee?

He ended up with a seat of the Disney Board, so I would say whichever it was, it worked out pretty well for him. I would happily exchange fees for stock and a board seat!

 

[lazyboy97o]

It does not appear to be grounded in any real design aesthetic other than "Curtain Wall", exposed Structure, and Revit.

Should we take bets on whether it’s curtain wall or window wall?

 

[Missing20K]

Should we take bets on whether it’s curtain wall or window wall?

Well it's almost certainly a window wall. Just figured more people would be familiar with the curtain wall term. But yeah, they aren't paying for a curtain wall.