artvandelay
Well-Known Member
Rob and Amber have a combined 4 fire tokens. I can see Rob buying an advantage in the challenge, but will he have enough to buy an idol?
-
Welcome to the WDWMAGIC.COM Forums!
Please take a look around, and feel free to sign up and join the community.
Survivor S40: Winners at War
- Thread starter PUSH
- Start date
An advantage in the challenge is worth 1 fire token, I believe. You can buy up to 3. Then the idol is 3 fire tokens. If they don't have another chance to get tokens before the challenge (and I assume they won't), I think Rob uses all 3 on challenge advantages, and Amber uses one on an advantage as well. You can't use them on idols if everyone has tokens being used for advantages. That puts you behind to start the challenge as soon as Jeff says go. I assume every other player will use their tokens for the advantage. Is Parvati the only one without a token?
Natalie has 3?
Amber, Danni, and Ethan each have one from the log climb.
Rob has 3 from the hunt this week.
Tyson has 1 from the hunt this week.
I can't remember Parv getting any... and I already thought she had an uphill climb.
artvandelay
Well-Known Member
I think you’re right. Parvati does not have any tokens.
Did you see who stayed behind to take care of the rice when they ran to find the tokens at the end of the paths? Amber. Amber and Rob will work as a team to get one of them back in. I don’t know how, but Amber will do something to help Rob win that challenge.
SAV
Well-Known Member
Been away from the site for a bit, but I have been watching. As soon as the deal was made, I was thinking that Denise could now turn around and take Sandra out. It would save her a token and be the biggest move yet to put on the resume. During the voting I was audibly saying "Come on Denise...Vote Sandra, Sandra, Sandra" Then the Idol plays got me more fired up. And when Jeff officially read it I popped. Gave it a loud "YES!!!" and clapped that she actually did it. I couldn't believe that Sandra was that dumb to do that.
I'm in the camp that Sandra gave up her crown when she gave up on the game. I don't care what you may "think" your chances are. You're there to play until you are completely out of the game. You can't quit on everything and stay the "best".
I'm in the camp that Sandra gave up her crown when she gave up on the game. I don't care what you may "think" your chances are. You're there to play until you are completely out of the game. You can't quit on everything and stay the "best".
TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
I firmly believe this. Amber knows Rob is the better option out of the two of them to get back in. It makes the most sense to me.
Just a reminder that tonight is the MERGE and the EoE challenge!
I still HATE the EoE concept in general, but it hasn't been terrible so far this year. I think if there's a season to do it, it's with all winners. That being said, in the original EoE season, I don't think anybody was furious with it until after Devens returned. That's when he got an idol. That's when we realized the 1st boot got to be on the jury. That's when we realized how truly overpowered it was to be on the Edge and have that person come back to win when they had all those prior relationships.
So while I say it hasn't been terrible this season, I would very much prefer if the players who don't get back in have to go on the pre-jury trip. And then I'd be good with the Edge going away. Also, DO NOT GIVE THE RETURNING PLAYER AND IDOL!! THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THEIR SECOND CHANCE!!
I do not have high hopes for any of that, though.
PS - Any of these players would be great returnees, though.
I still HATE the EoE concept in general, but it hasn't been terrible so far this year. I think if there's a season to do it, it's with all winners. That being said, in the original EoE season, I don't think anybody was furious with it until after Devens returned. That's when he got an idol. That's when we realized the 1st boot got to be on the jury. That's when we realized how truly overpowered it was to be on the Edge and have that person come back to win when they had all those prior relationships.
So while I say it hasn't been terrible this season, I would very much prefer if the players who don't get back in have to go on the pre-jury trip. And then I'd be good with the Edge going away. Also, DO NOT GIVE THE RETURNING PLAYER AND IDOL!! THEY'VE ALREADY HAD THEIR SECOND CHANCE!!
I do not have high hopes for any of that, though.
PS - Any of these players would be great returnees, though.
TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
I think the issue for me is that EoE just isn't interesting to watch. You have all of these great players over there and there's nothing compelling happening over there.
Tonight is going to be crazy. I can feel it in my bones. I don't know who returns (Rob or Natalie), but I feel like it's going to be crazy.
I agree, most of the Edge is not interesting. There have been a few good moments this season, though, but that's because we know the players and are invested in them. Doesn't work with newbies. I would rather have no Edge and more time with the players still in the game.
I am thankful they aren't showing all of the reward challenges, either. They have held them, but they aren't shown on TV.
Wendy Pleakley
Well-Known Member
Did Redemption Island have the level of opposition Edge seems to have?
I was not watching Survivor as it aired until Caramoan, but to my understanding EoE is much more hated. You have to consistently earn your way back on RI. On EoE it's one challenge. Although RI is not a highly liked twist, either. But maybe EoE just seems worse because of the larger social media presence during season 37 than season 22.
DryerLintFan
Premium Member
THAT PEANUT BUTTER PAID OFF!!!
Thoughts:
1. Tyson proving idols are overrated and the producers should hide peanut butter in the trees instead.
2. The other players should not be allowed on the jury or a 3rd chance at getting back in. I love all of them, but they had their second chance and lost. Something tells me Rob will get back in at the end, though.
3. Why did nobody use 3 fire tokens for 3 challenge advantages? You can't play an idol unless you're back in the game.
4. Not surprising that Amber gave Rob her token.
5. Happy for Tyson. Much like had Rick Devens won, I would not have a problem if Tyson wins. I didn't care for Rick, but that's because he kept getting idols, not because he won his way back.
6. I get why producers edited it this way, but there was one small conversation about Wendell going. All the other conversation was focused on Adam. There were key conversations we did not get to see, and I always find that frustrating. I don't need to be spoon fed the vote, but it didn't seem like Wendell was an option, then all of a sudden as Adam is voting, he is a clear option and Nick isn't one at all.
7. How did Tyson's name not pop up at all?!
8. How has Tony never been a target?!
9. Kim is highly unlikely to win based on what we've seen from her, but how has she not been a target since the first episode?!
10. Denise may be playing the best game right now. I hope she is able to get past the Queen Slaying title, but I predicted this would happen.
11. Sophie is in contention for playing the best game, too. She dissected the entire tribe dynamics and power structure in one confessional. Without having been privy to any of the conversations. And she made a great point about good players not needing to be in every conversation. I thought that was a huge part of the game that has never been talked about, and certainly something I've never thought of. A good player has people coming to them. They aren't always in every conversation.
1. Tyson proving idols are overrated and the producers should hide peanut butter in the trees instead.
2. The other players should not be allowed on the jury or a 3rd chance at getting back in. I love all of them, but they had their second chance and lost. Something tells me Rob will get back in at the end, though.
3. Why did nobody use 3 fire tokens for 3 challenge advantages? You can't play an idol unless you're back in the game.
4. Not surprising that Amber gave Rob her token.
5. Happy for Tyson. Much like had Rick Devens won, I would not have a problem if Tyson wins. I didn't care for Rick, but that's because he kept getting idols, not because he won his way back.
6. I get why producers edited it this way, but there was one small conversation about Wendell going. All the other conversation was focused on Adam. There were key conversations we did not get to see, and I always find that frustrating. I don't need to be spoon fed the vote, but it didn't seem like Wendell was an option, then all of a sudden as Adam is voting, he is a clear option and Nick isn't one at all.
7. How did Tyson's name not pop up at all?!
8. How has Tony never been a target?!
9. Kim is highly unlikely to win based on what we've seen from her, but how has she not been a target since the first episode?!
10. Denise may be playing the best game right now. I hope she is able to get past the Queen Slaying title, but I predicted this would happen.
11. Sophie is in contention for playing the best game, too. She dissected the entire tribe dynamics and power structure in one confessional. Without having been privy to any of the conversations. And she made a great point about good players not needing to be in every conversation. I thought that was a huge part of the game that has never been talked about, and certainly something I've never thought of. A good player has people coming to them. They aren't always in every conversation.
JenniferS
When you're the leader, you don't have to follow.
Dalton has some interesting insight, as usual.
:max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/115093_37067b-5e7287193f8a4049934f3d966609005a.jpg)
ew.com
'Survivor: Winners at War' recap: Early bird catches the Fire Token
A flaw in the game mars an otherwise exciting episode.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
I think redemption island is less contested, because the earlier you are booted, the exceedingly less likely your chances of getting back are. EoE one could argue functions the opposite way, the early boots have an opportunity to gather more advantages.
The bigger component of EoE though is that it extended the jury to anyone that willingly sticks around. Giving a very late game returnee the opportunity to spend more time sitting with the jury than playing the actual game.
EoE I think should only be something they utilize for extremely repeat player heavy casts.
The bigger component of EoE though is that it extended the jury to anyone that willingly sticks around. Giving a very late game returnee the opportunity to spend more time sitting with the jury than playing the actual game.
EoE I think should only be something they utilize for extremely repeat player heavy casts.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
So rare to have an episode where I'm actively cheering for every single player to win a challenge... and then a tribal where I was delighted for whichever side the votes fell on.
Tyson is a gem though and certainly is 'deserving' of a return. Rob more-so blew his own game up.
I'm glad Wendell is out though of the two, because he likely had the better ability to gain a foothold in the game. Adam though runs the risk of stick around like a leech - because everyone has made it so clear he isn't worth trusting and playing with.
Sarah and maybe even moreso Sophie are controlling the game. I think the key conversation was Sophie clearly influenced what was best for her.
Random to see Nic throw out Sarah's name next episode... I mean he's not wrong, Denise is certainly the overt front-runner resume, but Sarah is definitely the behind the scenes front-runner.
Tyson is a gem though and certainly is 'deserving' of a return. Rob more-so blew his own game up.
I'm glad Wendell is out though of the two, because he likely had the better ability to gain a foothold in the game. Adam though runs the risk of stick around like a leech - because everyone has made it so clear he isn't worth trusting and playing with.
Sarah and maybe even moreso Sophie are controlling the game. I think the key conversation was Sophie clearly influenced what was best for her.
Random to see Nic throw out Sarah's name next episode... I mean he's not wrong, Denise is certainly the overt front-runner resume, but Sarah is definitely the behind the scenes front-runner.
I can see Adam as a no vote finalist this season. He's been labeled as untrustworthy and a snake already this season, and that's an incredibly difficult label to shake off.
Based on the episodes so far, these are my tiers of where players are in terms of winning:
Strongest chance: Jeremy, Denise, Sophie, Sarah, Michele
Just need a move or two: Tony, Tyson
Probably not: Adam, Kim (and this one pains me to say), Nick, Ben
And then there's the next returnee, but I won't label them.
BrianLo
Well-Known Member
I agree with the breakdown!
Kim just has not managed to get a foothold in the game whatsoever. Which will probably serve her pretty well - to go pretty deep into it at this point. She has to have a Denise moment though, or else she's kaput. But, far more likely to be a wingman for a big Tyson play and get runner up to his success.
She very much was a victim of being lumped in with the old school crowd, I guess her only success so far is that she made the jury and they all did not.
I will say, she has impressed me, though. She was one of the biggest names coming in. Targeted early. But after Amber went home, she wasn't looked at again. She's playing the game she has to in order to progress. Unfortunately that's a "make no noise" game, which won't be able to win. But she really doesn't have a choice. It's either that, or get voted out. It's similar to Tony's game. Tony really hasn't shown any strategy. He's only been on our screens for funny character moments.
TheDisneyDaysOfOurLives
Well-Known Member
- In the Parks
- Yes
I was rooting for Rob to get back in. I felt like that was the better 'story'. To watch Rob come back and start laying waste to some of these people would've been fun to watch.
I was impressed at how long Denise stayed up on that pole.
What is up with some of their toes?! And why do we need close ups of their toes?! Gosh, that was rough to watch.
Rob looked mad at jury, knowing he should've been there.
I felt bad for Yul. He literally was voted out one night and then had to go back the next day to compete. He didn't have a chance to get a fire token and gave them up leaving tribal. Legit not fair for my man.
I think the only person I'm really rooting for is Jeremy. And Sophie. That's about it.
Can't wait to see who is the second one to come back from EoE.
Love this season.
I was impressed at how long Denise stayed up on that pole.
What is up with some of their toes?! And why do we need close ups of their toes?! Gosh, that was rough to watch.
Rob looked mad at jury, knowing he should've been there.
I felt bad for Yul. He literally was voted out one night and then had to go back the next day to compete. He didn't have a chance to get a fire token and gave them up leaving tribal. Legit not fair for my man.
I think the only person I'm really rooting for is Jeremy. And Sophie. That's about it.
Can't wait to see who is the second one to come back from EoE.
Love this season.