DisneyEthan
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TrueThat's using logic and your brain. That's not allowed in Sacramento.
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Californian Elitist
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What was the point of mentioning the small businesses if not to connect them to looting then?I never mentioned looting. But you just did.
So let's keep this to the marches and protest themselves. It is good of you to condemn BLM for organizing those protests and marches. It may have seemed like a good idea at the time for some folks, but it hasn't aged well at all.
I spotted the problem immediately when they started in June, three months into the pandemic and economic shutdown. I thought it was a tone deaf and self-absorbed way to further the message of BLM. And I still think that.
I do appreciate though that BLM supporters such as yourself can recognize that in 2021.
As long as you understand that my condemnation only has to do with COVID-19, then we're on the same page. I don't recognize it as being tone deaf or necessarily self-absorbing either though.
I certainly didn't and I support BLM 100%. My kids wanted to go but I said no. There were just way too many people. I'm surprised more didn't get sick considering.
Californian Elitist
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I’m surprised, too. That was A LOT of people out and yet the biggest spike we’ve seen so far came after holiday gatherings.
I understood why people chose to be out there. It was something bigger than themselves. I made the decision to stay home for health reasons, but my stance will change for future protests after the pandemic ends.
Stevek
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I do question the comment that there were no BLM activists that participated in the looting and destruction. Yes, there was clearly a fringe that took advantage of the situation and hurt the overall message of the marches but I'm confident that the "heat of the moment" probably got the best of some of the BLM supporters as well (just as confident as you are that no BLM supporters looted). I also can't rationalize ever supporting the looting of big businesses. Yes, they have deeper pockets but what happens at those businesses directly impacts the people that work there AND many of those businesses continue to hire significant numbers of minorities. Bottom line, zero businesses deserved to be destroyed...I just can't rationalize that train of thought. You and I can agree to disagree on that.
el_super
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Maybe I came the closest, since I dared to suggest that people protesting in the streets and exercising their first amendment rights, was far more important than a theme park being open. For people who took police brutality as a matter of life and death, risking illness from the virus was certainly a small price to pay, individually.
For a little more context though, at the time those protests took place in Anaheim back in early June, many businesses had already started to reopen post-Memorial Day and a lot of people felt that the virus was on the decline. Of course it's a false equivalency to believe that a protest lasting a couple hours could be compared to the planed reopening and continued daily operation of a theme park.
I suspect you already know this, but those that are trying to draw comparisons between the two, are not arguing in good faith and really don't care what any of us have to say.
el_super
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A sporting event lasting a couple hours, is still a far different scenario than a theme park being open for 8 to 10 hours. The real determining factor in risk of contracting the virus, is the number and duration of interactions with people outside your immediate household. The longer you are at a venue, the more interactions you will have.
Californian Elitist
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We’ll agree to disagree. I don’t want to stray off topic too much with this subject. I will say that I never insinuated that businesses deserve to be destroyed. I did say though that I don’t have much concern about big businesses in that regard. A Target or Walmart getting its windows busted would raise concern only due to the safety of the employees and the customers, not the Target and Walmart corporations themselves. In regards to my looting comment, to clarify, I meant that looting and destroying property is not part of BLM’s goal, though some people make it out to be. Yes, there were people out with “BLM signs” that were destroying things, but I highly doubt they belonged to a chapter.
But yeah, agree to disagree. That’s all I’ll say on this subject in this thread for now.
denyuntilcaught
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Now I know this conversation isn't dove-tailing into one comparing a civil rights movement like BLM to visiting a theme park...
Disney Analyst
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I too was worried, critical, and disappointed in the mass gatherings happening during a pandemic. I did not attend any in Vancouver, as it was too risky for me. I also think it’s important to note, these protests happened worldwide, peacefully. I think the riots, the destruction, and the looting was disappointing. And I always find moments like that take away from the power of the protest.
However,
Protest is a hard thing to quash even during a pandemic. It’s a fundamental right. Protest is also usually organic and driven by a catalyst (George Floyd, Breonna Taylor, etc.) ... so I also find it hard to be that critical, especially when it is driven by civil rights and a basic need for... not being shot by police.
DisneyEthan
Active Member
But the fact of the matter is in Newsom's four tiers sports and theme parks are in the same tier and should be treated as such, if one gets moved the other should
el_super
Well-Known Member
Why? If we are acknowledging that something is changing with the way we weigh the risk of sporting events, that doesn't necessarily mean we need to change the way we weigh the risk of theme parks. If one were inherently more risky than the other, then the obvious answer is sporting events absolutely should not be allowed to open until it is safe to open theme parks. Assuming, of course, the goal is to reduce risk.
DisneyEthan
Active Member
Well to be honest, theme parks and fans at sporting events should be allowed by now and should have been as other states have proven to be doing those things safely with modifications
el_super
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Oh absolutely not. Theme parks and sporting events can't be placed above reopening schools, and since there hasn't been any adequate study done, it's not fair to say those things have been proven safe.
Jiggsawpuzzle35
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Lots of Republicans in the House and Senate got the vaccines. Most of them are hypocrites. I‘m getting my second Moderna Vaccine this Sunday. I’ll probably still wear a mask out in public in case I get a dirty look or hassled. Maybe someone should make a shirt that says “I’ve been vaccinated”.
October82
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You should wear a mask in public because we do not know if the vaccines prevent transmission. It is is likely that they do, but we do not have clinical trials to answer that question yet. What the vaccine does do is protect you while wearing a mask protects others.
DisneyEthan
Active Member
schools are open in orange and LA County
el_super
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Some are, some aren't. Education needs to be in a better state before attention should be given to luxuries and entertainment.
Darkbeer1
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>> California fans can likely catch Major League Baseball games in person when the season begins in April, Gov. Gavin Newsom said Wednesday.
The Democratic governor said his administration is in the midst of "advanced" talks with MLB and county health officials about some fans attending games at outdoor ballparks. He said that could begin by opening day in April if California continues on its downward infection trajectory.
“I have all the confidence in the world fans will be back safely,” Newsom said.
An MLB representative did not respond to a request for comment, but the league said earlier this year that it would not condition fan attendance on negative coronavirus tests or vaccination.
Why it matters: Newsom and public health officials have long said major gatherings like sporting events would be among the last things to resume as society gradually emerges from the pandemic.
The fact that Newsom believes ballparks can safely allow some fans to attend — outside — is the latest indicator that Newsom has high confidence in California's progress.<<
www.politico.com
The Democratic governor said his administration is in the midst of "advanced" talks with MLB and county health officials about some fans attending games at outdoor ballparks. He said that could begin by opening day in April if California continues on its downward infection trajectory.
“I have all the confidence in the world fans will be back safely,” Newsom said.
An MLB representative did not respond to a request for comment, but the league said earlier this year that it would not condition fan attendance on negative coronavirus tests or vaccination.
Why it matters: Newsom and public health officials have long said major gatherings like sporting events would be among the last things to resume as society gradually emerges from the pandemic.
The fact that Newsom believes ballparks can safely allow some fans to attend — outside — is the latest indicator that Newsom has high confidence in California's progress.<<
Newsom confident MLB fans can return to California stadiums in April
The fact that Newsom believes ballparks can safely allow some fans to attend is the latest indicator that he has high confidence in California's progress.
www.politico.com