1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???
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castleparker
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Funny you should mention that. I remember a few weeks back TP tried to take his lovely ideas over to the WDW side of the forms, where he was promptly shut down by some prominent members over there, some of whom were shocked at his antics, given his old standing there. I think its safe to say his welcome is wearing thin.
unmitigated disaster
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Because all opinions are not equal.
A conference on, say, Evolutionary Biology does not need to give equal time to creationists. The meeting of globe makers does not need to let flat earthers have a say.
And white collar, blue collar, etc. is different than lower class.
MarvelCharacterNerd
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Which is funny because I bought my Baby Yoda plush the day it was released (just before the park shut down)... in Galaxy's Edge.
So yeah, they were already starting to break the ST-only merch rules last year.
el_super
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If you don't think the stay at home orders are valid or needed, you can say so without making generalizations about other people, or calling a group of other forum posters hypocrites.
1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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That's not what he said
October82
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1HAPPYGHOSTHOST
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I disagree with your hypothesis
October82
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It's not a hypothesis. Rereading your posts, I do think you're posting in good faith, which is why I'll add that he doesn't need (or deserve) your time or energy defending him. It's fine to have disagreements, but they should always be based in civility, honesty, and sincerity.
In years of lurking and posting here, I've never seen him exhibit any of those characteristics.
milordsloth
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I would also disagree completely.
An opinion is not equal to misinformation. Contrary to what Kellyanne says there is no such thing as alternative facts. TP comes here daily to argue far right "alternative facts" and purposely share easily debunked misinformation. Like clockwork he reappears within hours or days and persists with the same or similar uninformed points, points directed at specific posters and that suit his political agenda. That IS trolling and inappropriate behavior for a topic that is supposed to be about Disneyland.
OAN my earlier post calling out TP as a troll was removed by the moderators without warning. Meanwhile people actively say all kinds of things here without reprimand. Gotta love this place.
Well, I go to dinner (in an indoor dining room, no less) and all that happened?
I don't know why your post calling me a troll was removed, but it makes me chuckle. Only because I have no problem with you calling me that, because I still think you're a fun poster from 20 years ago on the LP boards. Nothing's gonna change that for me, Hans!
I haven't seen any of my posts here be removed or edited in any way in months. I think it's because I try to be civil, polite, and back up my opinion with quantifiable data from reputable sources.
But... if I have posted blatant misinformation, that should be easy to debunk. Like the point that less than 4% of LA County Covid transmission was from the restaurant industry, and the majority of that 4% was amongst the back-of-house staff working in a cramped kitchen. If anyone has science and data debunking that information presented in last month's court case and entered as evidence, go ahead and fill us in!
Until then, the vast majority of the "misinformation" that I provide is anything but. I certainly give my opinion on things, but then back it up with hard data provided by the CDC, United States federal government, state and local governments, and reputable media outlets like Bloomberg, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post, realclearpolitics.com, San Francisco Chronicle, OC Register, etc., etc.,
It sounds like that official data angers you, or doesn't validate your specific opinion. That doesn't make it trolling, it just makes it opinions you disagree with and hard data you don't like.
No kidding! Sometimes I read posts here and scratch my head and wonder "What the heck happened to this country?" Too many people today seem to have very poor reading comprehension, and equate phrases like "blue collar worker" to someone being derisive and calling them "low class". I would never say such a thing. Period.
There is no shame in being blue collar, if anything those blue collar careers generally lead to higher wages at age 40 than the cubicle drone with a worthless BA degree in Communications. There is nothing to be concerned about for being a 17 year old unskilled-labor busboy working at Tomorrowland Terrace (it's when that kid gets to be 45 and he's still a busboy that we need to worry a bit).
Funny Story From 4 Hours Ago Why You Should Always Be Gracious & Polite To Entry Level Employees:
I got invited to meet some friends at a Vietnamese restaurant down in Tustin that is using it's indoor dining room. On my way there I stopped by the Bed Bath & Beyond at Tustin Marketplace, because they just happened to have a full set of the rather spendy German kitchen knives I decided to splurge on myself with. They were the same price as Amazon, but according to the website they had one set in stock and I could get them tonight instead of waiting for a delivery next week. No Coupons Accepted On This Purchase! says the website, because it's a purchase nearing a grand. I go in to that dying Big Box store, I'm dressed nicely for dinner, and I find the set in a locked case. I flag down an employee to help, and he tells me he'll have to get the manager to unlock the case. The manager shows up, and she is the grumpiest lady you'd ever want to meet. I tell her I want that set, plus a bread knife they have in open stock, and she grumps at me "Well, I can't just let you have them. You have to pick them up in customer service because these are too expensive to let you put in your cart. You can pay for this at customer service when I take it up there." As if I'm going to steal this stuff? I'm a tall, polite, well-dressed white man with a distinguished but kind face showing through my single-layer mask (sorry Dr. Fauci), and the grumpy manageress is a white woman, so I can't blame racism. It's just simply bad customer service from a grumpy employee, which happens to everyone regardless of race or class.
So I go to the customer service desk. The 20 year old girl working the desk asks me how she can help, and I tell her I'm just waiting for some knives to be brought up there because the manager takes knives very seriously. She laughs and says "Yeah, she kinda does." We get to chatting while I wait, I ask her if she's thankful the Christmas rush and return season is over, etc., etc. She's delightful, and unlike many youngsters today she has a sparkling personality and a fun smile behind her mask. The grumpy manageress dumps my rather expensive knives on the counter with a dollop of attitude, and says "Carly, ring him up here, this can't be allowed to leave the counter without payment." and she turns and grumps away. So Carly rings me up, I insert my chip card, and Carly says "Oh, wait, lemme see what kind of coupons I can find for you!" and I begin to protest by saying "On the website it said no discoun..." but Carly just says "Yeah, but this is expensive, and you deserve a treat!" and she starts punching buttons and grants me a 20% discount followed by a 10% discount. I got all the knives for 30% off! Which also means a lot less tax.
I thanked my new friend Carly profusely, wished her a happy Valentine's Day, and off I went out into the night with a giant unwarranted 30% discount on almost a thousand dollars worth of German knives! Take that, grumpy big box manager! If she'd let me put them in my cart I'd have payed for them without Carly and would have paid 30% more. So always be polite and kind to the Carly's at the customer service desk! Karma is definitely a two-way street!
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You must be talking about the post in a WDW thread that @MisterPenguin specifically called me out with, claiming I thought anyone over the age of 75 should just die of Covid, or some such thing. I went over to that thread and addressed his claim, explained my position on Covid based on the fact the vast majority of Covid deaths are over the age of 70, and we chatted back and forth for a few posts.
A few posters there, not unlike the Pro Shutdown crowd here, thought it was awful that I'd admit that old people eventually die, especially when they get old. I shrugged my shoulders and went back and posted about Marvel Land or something before calling it a night.
I don't know there's any "welcome" here to wear thin. I'm not a Premium member, I've never given this website a dime except for clicking on a few banner ads that seem interesting, and I have no idea who the owners and operators of this website are. I did reach out to them back in August, 2019 during that medium.com kerfuffle about me being the world's first Internet Influencer and a secret ghostwriter who overthrew Michael Eisner and placed Bob Iger on his rightful place on the Burbank throne, but I actually never heard back from them. In hindsight, it was wise of whoever the owner/operator of this website was to not respond to me and just watch it play out on their boards. I'd have probably done the same thing myself, as that was hysterical!
castleparker
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Is this not your real stance on the issue?
Many people believed so, judging by the particularly brutal responses against you over there and the number of likes they received. This is an odd response, I don't think you understood me. I was referring to the fact that you have lost quite a bit of standing in the eyes of the members on here, not the management. Even you can't deny that TP.
I didn't count their Likes. Did they do good?Is this not your real stance on the issue?
I have no idea what my standing is here with people. In 20+ years on Disneyland fan forums, I don't know I've thought about that. I don't know who you are, and I don't even know who most of the people on here are. None of you have ever invited me out to dinner, and I have never invited you to my home for drinks or dinner. And all of this goes away the second I click over to weather or Ebay.
But if I come back and see something fun to respond to, I'm in!
Isn't it great? I mean honestly, it's just so... great. Absolutely hysterical.
Californian Elitist
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When I was newer to the forums years ago, I extended multiple invitations to you for meet-ups at the park through PMs, to which you never responded and therefore declined them all.I have no idea what my standing is here with people. In 20+ years on Disneyland fan forums, I don't know I've thought about that. I don't know who you are, and I don't even know who most of the people on here are. None of you have ever invited me out to dinner, and I have never invited you to my home for drinks or dinner. And all of this goes away the second I click over to weather or Ebay.
But if I come back and see something fun to respond to, I'm in!
I can definitely see that. And I like the guy. But his views on the virus are warped and frankly sad. But he's not the only one that shares them. And I know he means well, but yeah definitely in the minority and for good reason.
Hopefully a year from now, this will all be in the rear view mirror and people can go back to discussing how evil Disney is, why the quality is going down but still go monthly anyway.
So it's not belittling them?
You yourself were so worked up about how long training would take that they should have opened DLR instantly 10 months ago, if that's the case why do they need training to (as the statement said that you agreed with) "only press buttons and tell people to stand behind a line."
Ask yourself this, who is going to be on scene first if a fake locomotive derails and crushes someone in the car behind them? Do you think it's going to be "a dockers clad manager" as you like to call them (again with the belittling), a TDA exec (who you always seem to need to talk about their appearances, again belittling them typically), or the front line CM worker "who only needs to know how to press a button and yell at people."
Who's watching the cameras to stop the ride as soon as a guest jumps out of a moving coaster because the guest dropped their phone?
Who's going to be the one having to figure out what to do about a fight going on in toontown?
Who is the person who wades into the water, and pulls boats to the right spot to evacuate Pirates?
Who is the person that has to be trained on proper seating so that Splash doesn't take on too much water?
Who is the person that has to figure out what to do when a Splash log sinks in the middle of the ride?
Sure does seem like a lot more for a frontline CM to be trained for, and deal with than "pushing buttons and telling people to stand behind a yellow line" and yes, I purposefully used examples that have happened at DLR/WDW.
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el_super
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Both things can't be true: Disneyland CMs can't be unskilled labor that deserve the paltry wages they receive, and be so talented and skilled that their loss demands that Disneyland open immediately. Reconciling those political views has been impossible.
Disneyland WILL have to train and rehire a lot of people to get the park running again. It will come at a great cost, and Disney may have to raise their wages and benefit offerings to compensate for the loss in staff. No one has dared to suggest that reopening Disneyland would be cheap and easy. And yet Disney seems persistent on getting the place reopened anyway.