Surprise! Red Tier Now Begins Sunday; Downtown Disney Restaurants???

[flutas]

If you can find one single instance where I looked down my nose at blue collar workers or entry-level employees, I'd love to see it. Other than simply daring to call them blue collar workers or entry-level employees, of course.

So far in this Covid disaster, I'm one of the few people in this thread that kept bringing up the plight of blue-collar workers, small business owners, and entry-level employees who were being totally thrown under the bus by the arbitrary and baseless decisions to shut down entire industry's while other industries were allowed to remain open. Barber shops, nail salons, theme parks, restaurants, small storefront retail, hotels, convention centers, etc., etc.

Is this not looking down on them?

Both of you were claiming that DL would be "decimated" by a lack of knowledgeable staff when the parks re-open, then that statement is written...

 

[TP2000]

So what was the point of your argument if you are actually supportive of the thing you are painting as so dangerous? Was it just trolling?

I'd have to think it was, since you obviously realize that having customers and cooks in a restaurant is a cumulative increase in possible infections and not an either/or scenario.

Unless you want all restaurants to shut down, this is just another empty hallow argument from you that's nothing more than trolling.

It's not "trolling". It simply proves how hypocritical it was to shut down restaurants. In LA County, a massive 10 Million people strong, less than 4% of county Covid transmission was tied to restaurants. And the majority of that transmission was traced specifically to the back-of-house kitchen staff working in cramped kitchens. That evidence was presented in the court case.

And yet kitchens remained open while patios remained closed.

 

[TP2000]

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Is this not looking down on them?

Both of you were claiming that DL would be "decimated" by a lack of knowledgeable staff when the parks re-open, then that statement is written...

I don't know what that proves, other than the fact that most Disneyland ride operators primary responsibility is to push the buttons and tell people to stand behind the yellow line. Or, more accurately, pull on the yellow tab.

That's what the job entails about 90% of the time. There's nothing wrong with that. It's just the simple reality.

 

[TP2000]

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Is this not looking down on them?

Both of you were claiming that DL would be "decimated" by a lack of knowledgeable staff when the parks re-open, then that statement is written...

Quoting you again, because it's an interesting topic with nuance.

I am very worried about the loss of institutional knowledge in the daily operation of Disneyland. There's legitimate talent and skill required for a good Jungle Cruise Skipper spiel, a trip on the Canoes, the way a conductor yells all-aboard on the Disneyland Railroad, etc.

If 10,000 front-line CM's fail to return, you risk losing that knowledge and culture.

And then you just end up like WDW, where you pay $100 bucks for a poorly trained tour guide to lie to you and claim that the Tiki Room opened in 1963 as a dinner show restaurant but Walt had to shut it down because 1960's audiences were scared the robot birds were going to crap in their chicken teriyaki.

I fear Disneyland becomes WDW if they don't get enough CM's with institutional knowledge to return to Anaheim.

 

[TP2000]

And there you go again spouting off untruths as if you know how every single poster here gets their food.

And before you ask the question I'll answer it, haven't used Doordash, UberEats, or any other food delivery service during this whole pandemic. Haven't even done take-out from a regular restaurant in over a year. I go to the store twice a week and get food for several days at a time and prepare it at home. And maybe 2-3x a month I'll get fast food drive-thru, and that is it.

And yet I'm still here saying that limited dining via take-out and delivery is the best option right now in limiting COVID exposure. Never once stated that restaurants should shutdown completely.

I bet you lost some weight, too! I sure did because I'm eating more at home. I lost about 10 pounds in 2020!

But I also buy food from restaurants; either from a drive-thru window or I call them and go pick it up myself. Doordash creeps me out.

But I certainly don't think all restaurants should be shut down. On the contrary, they need to be reopened ASAP.

I imagine many people who claimed all restaurant dining rooms should remain closed have purchased some food to-go from restaurants in the last 10 months. Which makes absolutely no sense to me, or to the data.

 

[TP2000]

It's not trolling if you sincerely don't understand how math works.

Kitchen Staff + Customers = more infections than Kitchen Staff alone.

Keeping kitchens open, was a compromise people were willing to make, to keep hungry people fed and restaurant workers employed. Now you are suggesting it was hypocritical to compromise and that we all should have advocated for having everything shut down. No compromise at all.

Keeping the one part of the operation opens that spreads the most Covid is a "compromise"? That sounds like a very bad decision instead. If you are going to keep the kitchen open where the majority of Covid is spread, you might as well keep the patio and indoor dining rooms open and allow the restaurant to survive.

What's funny is, I already suggested that I would agree with you to close all the restaurants down, so unless you are willing to say the same, all you are doing is.... wait for it... virtue signaling.

I'm simply stating the facts as we know them in early 2021. I really do think I hit a nerve because you likely have ordered food from a restaurant in the last 10 months. Only @Disney Irish has gone on record as stating he hasn't ordered any food from any restaurant since March, 2020; all of his food was prepared by him in his own kitchen for the last 10 months.

I doubt the rest of us are as vigilant as Disney Irish. I certainly am not, and am planning to eat out in just a few hours!

 

[TP2000]

I don't Doordash, but you know what I DO do? I go to work. I deal with guests face to face. I AM someone who has to put up with Asshats who don't believe in Covid. Who are in denial about it being a pandemic. Who DON'T CARE that their selfishness is jeopardizing my health.

And saying things "lower-class people" is damned classicists.

I don't think I've ever been so gauche as to use the phrase "lower-class". I generally refer to class when we are talking about career and training required to perform a job.

Do you not believe that class exists? That there is a working class, a blue collar class, a white collar class, a political class, etc.?

I believe class exists in our society. And we can't get along without the working classes cooking our food back in cramped kitchens.

 

[el_super]

Keeping the one part of the operation opens that spreads the most Covid is a "compromise"?

Yeah its basic math. Say 75 Kitchen Staff contracted covid and 5 outdoor diners contracted it, 80 would be more than 75.

I'm simply stating the facts as we know them in early 2021. I really do think I hit a nerve because you likely have ordered food from a restaurant in the last 10 months.

Oh yeah absolutely I have, although not thru any app. It's not at all hypocritical to try to support local businesses and also reduce potential exposure as much as possible. Again, 80 is less than 75.

I doubt the rest of us are as vigilant as Disney Irish. I certainly am not, and am planning to eat out in just a few hours!

 

[cmwade77]

No, I simply disagree with you and feel the restaurants should be able to reopen. The science and data support it.

Similarly, I also think schools should be reopened immediately, and it's criminal they were ever closed in the first place.

The damage we have done to a generation of American schoolchildren will be felt for many years. The lack of backbone our political leaders have shown against the teacher's unions is truly criminal, in my humble opinion. Moreso than even destroying thousands of small businesses and ruining countless lives by mandating restaurants shut down while pot shops and Hobby Lobby stay open.

^^^This and I will add the science and data supports reopening all theme parks as well, except those closed in places for the winter because they are seasonal parks.

 

[TP2000]

^^^This and I will add the science and data supports reopening all theme parks as well, except those closed in places for the winter because they are seasonal parks.

Yup. I'm calling it now, that whole Yellow Tier thing for Disneyland will go the way of the Statewide 10PM Curfew sooner than later.

Even if the assembly bill doesn't pass to change Disneyland's reopening to the Orange Tier, the whole Tier thing will be thrown out by Easter and Sacramento will invent a new game to play. The new game will allow theme parks to reopen this summer, no Yellow or Orange tier required.

The political heat on Governor Newsom is just too hot now for him to do otherwise. And it's getting hotter by the week. He will need to reverse his previous decisions and create an entirely new tracking/tier/color-coded system that reopens more stuff faster.

I think the only real question is what to call it. We've already had a Pact, a Blueprint, Tiers, and Phases. What's left? Maybe they could do something with Levels?

 

[TP2000]

From the No Big Surprise file, comes this statement from a Burbank exec today....

Disneyland will stay closed for at least another 1 or 2 months, says Disney CFO

In total, Disneyland is expected to be closed for more than a year, Chief Financial Officer Christine McCarthy says.

www.ocregister.com

Disneyland and Disney California Adventure are expected to remain closed for more than a year and not reopen before late March or early April while California theme parks remain shuttered under state guidelines, according to Disney officials.

“Our current expectation is that Disneyland and Disneyland Paris will be closed for the entirety of the second quarter,” Disney Chief Financial Officer Christine McCarthy said.

McCarthy commented on the continued closure of Disney’s Anaheim theme parks during a conference call with analysts on Thursday, Feb. 11. Disney’s second quarter typically ends between March 28 and April 2.

Disneyland, Disney California Adventure and other California theme parks closed in mid-March and are not expected to return to full operation until spring or summer under COVID-19 health and safety reopening guidelines issued by the state.

“It’s hard to believe nearly a year has passed since the start of the pandemic, which continues to negatively impact the operations of our company,” Disney CEO Bob Chapek said on the call.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

TP is noooo troll.

Please. This coming from you. LOL. Bye.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

What a disaster

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

Please. This coming from you. LOL. Bye.

I am not a troll either. My takes are my genuine takes. just because someone has a point that differs from your own does not make them a troll. Why is it that it is ok for several people to share one opinion over and over and over but when someone tries to explain the opposite side of that argument over and over and over again, there is a problem?

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I am not a troll either. My takes are my genuine takes. just because someone has a point that differs from our own does not make them a troll. Why is it that it is ok for several people to share one opinion over and over and over but when someone tries to explain the opposite side of that argument over and over and over again, there is a problem?

An opinion is not equal to misinformation. Contrary to what Kellyanne says there is no such thing as alternative facts. TP comes here daily to argue far right "alternative facts" and purposely share easily debunked misinformation. Like clockwork he reappears within hours or days and persists with the same or similar uninformed points, points directed at specific posters and that suit his political agenda. That IS trolling and inappropriate behavior for a topic that is supposed to be about Disneyland.

OAN my earlier post calling out TP as a troll was removed by the moderators without warning. Meanwhile people actively say all kinds of things here without reprimand. Gotta love this place.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

An opinion is not equal to misinformation. Contrary to what Kellyanne says there is no such thing as alternative facts. TP comes here daily to argue far right talking points and share misinformation that are easily debunked. Like clockwork he reappears within hours or days and persists with the same or similar points, points that suit his political agenda and directed at specific people. That is trolling and inappropriate behavior for a topic that is supposed to be about Disneyland.

OAN my earlier post calling out TP as a troll was removed by the moderators without warning. Meanwhile people actively say all kinds of things here without reprimand. Gotta love this place.

TP2000 has been a welcomed and valued insider to this site for years. He is in no way a troll. His talking points are his own and they are not outrageous and a lot of them are how many people feel when it comes to the shutdowns. Just because you do not like his views does not make him a troll, that is why your unwarranted claim that he was a troll was removed.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

He is in no way a troll.

OK. Bye.

 

[1HAPPYGHOSTHOST]

OK. Bye.

I am not going anywhere.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I am not going anywhere.

Cool. Just don't talk to me.

 

[Jiggsawpuzzle35]

From the No Big Surprise file, comes this statement from a Burbank exec today....

Disneyland will stay closed for at least another 1 or 2 months, says Disney CFO

In total, Disneyland is expected to be closed for more than a year, Chief Financial Officer Christine McCarthy says.

www.ocregister.com

Disneyland and Disney California Adventure are expected to remain closed for more than a year and not reopen before late March or early April while California theme parks remain shuttered under state guidelines, according to Disney officials.

“Our current expectation is that Disneyland and Disneyland Paris will be closed for the entirety of the second quarter,” Disney Chief Financial Officer Christine McCarthy said.

McCarthy commented on the continued closure of Disney’s Anaheim theme parks during a conference call with analysts on Thursday, Feb. 11. Disney’s second quarter typically ends between March 28 and April 2.

Disneyland, Disney California Adventure and other California theme parks closed in mid-March and are not expected to return to full operation until spring or summer under COVID-19 health and safety reopening guidelines issued by the state.

“It’s hard to believe nearly a year has passed since the start of the pandemic, which continues to negatively impact the operations of our company,” Disney CEO Bob Chapek said on the call.

Open the parks for vaccinated people and children, then go from there.