jt04
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This is a forum. It's fine to disagree but actually explaining why you disagree is the point of a forum. So, First Level first then we can get to the others?:shrug:
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Studios reaching capacity - not yet at phased closed, but close
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This is a forum. It's fine to disagree but actually explaining why you disagree is the point of a forum. So, First Level first then we can get to the others?:shrug:
WDW1974
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Apparently you're not a regular reader of what JT pukes forth on a regular basis here ...
~:drevil:~
pilka214
Active Member
lol i'm gonna jump in teh middle of the fight.... and put in my two cents on the whole situation
i'm glad DHS filled up, it's a busy time of year so it filling up has to be a good sign, in our current economy seeing numbers like that is great... now yes i understand that there are great deals right now for rooms and all that.... but still how often does DHS use overflow parking.... gotta say i'm impressed and that's great.
i'm glad DHS filled up, it's a busy time of year so it filling up has to be a good sign, in our current economy seeing numbers like that is great... now yes i understand that there are great deals right now for rooms and all that.... but still how often does DHS use overflow parking.... gotta say i'm impressed and that's great.
Susan Savia
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Hmmmm wonder what the wait time is for Toy Story Mania with it this crowded? 
petersenjp
Well-Known Member
I wonder what the wait time is for Sounds Dangerous......:lookaroun
pacochran
Active Member
Love this!
Uncle Lupe
Well-Known Member
So you are gonna need those 3 days for free just to do anything this week.
Buried20KLeague
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Agreed. I was on my iPhone or I would have gotten into it more. I don't know if you've ever typed on one of those things, but they're a pain.
Let me take a broad stroke at it:
The MK at WDW is the lowest quality MK style park in the world currently. And I've visited them all within the last 14 months, so I would consider that opinion "current".
The maintenance and upkeep is by far worse than the other parks.
The cleanliness is poor (but followed closely behind by Disneyland Paris, to be honest).
The continuing closure of attractions with no replacements.
The overall stale feeling of the park.
The poor food choices, and lower quality.
Your statement was that the MK doesn't need anything new. I argue that if the MK doesn't do something new soon, the crowds will drop.
The MK isn't the highest attended park in the world because it's the best. It's the highest attended because it trades on its reputation and nostalgia, and because a lot of people don't know there's anything else even OUT there. But that can't last forever. One of those things will have to give at some point, unless they start changing some of the things I listed above.
jt04
Well-Known Member
Ah, I see where you are confused. If you read the original post that caused your confusion again, nowhere do I say MK does not need anything new in the future. I'd love to see them add 10 new E tickets. My point was, I believe they need to keep adding to the other 3 parks first, until the crowds become more balanced and distributed between all 4 parks. Not in equal numbers of course (Epcot will always have much more capacity than DHS for instance) but in a manner that does not cause one park to be at phase 3 or 4 while other parks are at normal operations. IMO fixing this problem should be a high priority for management. That means adding compelling attractions to the other parks before MK. Now that does not mean the MK should not be kept up, obviously it should. But brand new E ticket type attractions at MK.................................... <in my best Lee Corso voice> "Not so fast my friend!"
Smiley says
, "Reading WDW74's post ruins comprehension skills" :dazzle:
Buried20KLeague
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Ah, I see where you are confused. If you read the original post that caused your confusion again, nowhere do I say MK does not need anything new in the future. I'd love to see them add 10 new E tickets. My point was, I believe they need to keep adding to the other 3 parks first, until the crowds become more balanced and distributed between all 4 parks. Not in equal numbers of course (Epcot will always have much more capacity than DHS for instance) but in a manner that does not cause one park to be at phase 3 or 4 while other parks are at normal operations. IMO fixing this problem should be a high priority for management. That means adding compelling attractions to the other parks before MK. Now that does not mean the MK should not be kept up, obviously it should. But brand new E ticket type attractions at MK.......<in my best Lee Corso voice> "Not so fast my friend!"
Smiley says
I guess to me it's a "chicken or the egg" thing. I know what you're saying... That there needs to be additions in other parks before the MK. I think I understood your post right last night, but to be honest, I can't remember. :lol: But my thought is that if nothing is added to the MK to make it new and fresh (and make it live up to its hype), it won't MATTER what happens at the other parks. People plan trips to WDW with the MK first and foremost in their minds. They don't focus on the other parks primarily. There will NEVER be balance betwen the 4 parks because of this, I don't think. And my point is that if the MK stays the way it is, it will stop some people from booking trips to WDW. I see that as a bigger problem than trying to balance crowds between parks. I'm not even sure that's realistic. Maybe it is, I don't know.
They need to fix the MK before travel slows to WDW as a whole because it's the marquee park. (chicken)
You're saying they need to add to other parks because the MK still pulls them in and there needs to be balance between the 4. (egg)
jt04
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Good points. Thanks for the civil response. It's nice to know I can disagree with somone on this forum without getting attacked. (Hi 74 :wave
What do you want to bet this exact discussion has been had by TDO and higher?
I want my Mysterious Island
pilka214
Active Member
oh oh oh oh, i wanna throw my two cents in!!!!
IMO MK doesn't need new attractions, but i agree with whats been said above, the upkeep is not up to what i consider Disney standards. i do aslo agree with the idea of EPCOT, DHS and AK getting some new things, like a new country in EPCOT, beastly kingdom in AK, and maybe a real working studio tour at DHS, there gettin rid of the hollywood at hollywood studios..... they need stuff to balance out the crowds.]
now shifting gears
now what disney needs to STOP doing is putting in shows like the new Stitch show in tommorrowland.... why do we need two stitch themed attractions/ shows within 100yds of each other... i didn't agree with the first time they put him in what made them think it was a good idea to throw him in there again.... i miss the old tommorrowland and i can hardly remeber it.... but i sure do miss it.
IMO MK doesn't need new attractions, but i agree with whats been said above, the upkeep is not up to what i consider Disney standards. i do aslo agree with the idea of EPCOT, DHS and AK getting some new things, like a new country in EPCOT, beastly kingdom in AK, and maybe a real working studio tour at DHS, there gettin rid of the hollywood at hollywood studios..... they need stuff to balance out the crowds.]
now shifting gears
now what disney needs to STOP doing is putting in shows like the new Stitch show in tommorrowland.... why do we need two stitch themed attractions/ shows within 100yds of each other... i didn't agree with the first time they put him in what made them think it was a good idea to throw him in there again.... i miss the old tommorrowland and i can hardly remeber it.... but i sure do miss it.
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
Good points. Thanks for the civil response. It's nice to know I can disagree with somone on this forum without getting attacked. (Hi 74 :wave
What do you want to bet this exact discussion has been had by TDO and higher?
I want my Mysterious Island
You know, I'm not sure if TDO has had these kinds of talks. Honestly, I wonder if they ever get that deep into thought with regard to the MK. It's plowing right along... Still the top park in attendance in the world. And that's with very little infusion of capital for upkeep and new venues. My guess is their thought process stops there. Why think any further about it? It's a complete "win-win" for them right now.
It's obvious that as a whole, TDO doesn't think about the big picture like TDA (or other resorts around the world) do. And I worry that some day it's gonna come crashing down around them. People will wake up. Might take a long time... But they will. Some would say we're 10 plus years into the process already. And the internets will help speed it all along.
And I'd love to see MI... But only if it were done right, like in TDR. With virtually no budget. I almost worry that if they did it here in Orlando, it would be so butchered and half-way that it wouldn't compare at all. Think Pirates DL (or TDL, or DLP for that matter) vs. Pirates MK. Ugh. :brick:
jt04
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Wow we couldn't disagree more about your first point. My guess is that TDO has continuing meetings and working groups to strategize how they do business. There is absolutely no way WDW could function without continuing planning and implementation. I know it is popular here to trash managements efforts at WDW but believe me they have to be doing something right. The logistics of the place are absolutely mind boggling.:dazzle:
And I like the WDW version of Epcot much more than Disneylands.:lol:
jt04
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The whole Stitch thing will make sense someday. TL is being reworked in a very strategic way. So stay tuned........
Stitch will not be added to the TTA or Space Mountain during their refurbs. Wall-E is currently unemployed.
Buried20KLeague
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Oh, I ABSOLUTELY think they talk about those things. But I doubt they spend much time discussing and worrying about MK improvements. Those are two very different things.
To them, the MK is the cash cow that they don't have to spend time on. Like I said, they're trading on the brand, and nostalgia. They're riding that wave till it crashes.
And the thing is... I have reason to believe what I believe. Look at maintenance. Look at new offerings. Look at what all has been shuttered with nothing in its place. Look at entertainment offerings dwindle. Look at the same parade we've had for 15 years. Look at the last e-ticket being built in 92. Those are all cold, hard facts that point to my hypothesis being correct.
ETA: I like TDS, DLP, TDL, and DL better than Orlando's versions.
jt04
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Yes but during that time look at what they have added including a massive new theme park, E-tickets, resorts, DVCs etc. I honestly believe they are trying to divert people away from the MK to other places on property. It's not working too well, so far. But it is a strategy that can work. They are also doing other things like moving seperate ticket events to other parks and away from the MK. Also, look for them to continue to work to make AK a park that can stay open later every night. That will mean a couple more E tickets towards the front of the park. Something like a Mysterious Island for example where CMM is (and which would have no live animals to bother).
WDW1974
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I don't know 100% for certain, but what I do know largely backs your opinion.
Just like WDW is viewed as the cash cow of the theme park chain, the MK is viewed as the cash cow of WDW.
Very few people would make a WDW visit and skip MK, despite how stale, poorly maintained and managed it may be.
Plenty of people visit WDW and skip one or more of the other parks, even when buying parkhopping tix.
MKs are viewed as the flagship style park, where the MAGIC is.
While the other resorts invest and add to their MKs, for many different reasons, in Orlando it's largely felt they don't have to do anything.
The fact the other parks have all gotten major additions over the past five years, you could (and I would argue) that TPFKaTD-MGMS hasn't really, tells you where the powers believe they need to spend.
If someone decided to spend a day somewhere that isn't at WDW, they likely won't take that day away from MK ... but they will skip EPCOT and the others.
Well, I'd argue they do think about the big picture ... just in a different way.
They assume if someone isn't happy at one park for whatever reason, they'll just hop to another. So what if the Diamond Horseshoe is empty, go see Nemo The Musical at DAK. Who cares if Tomorrowland is a toon-filled disaster, go be a part of the AIE. Space Mountain's a joke? Go ride Mission Space.
That's how they think.
That the total is greater than the sum of its parts.
It's a recipe for disaster, no doubt.
You'll (likely) get a decent family coaster with a few kewl effects in O-Town and you better like it!
~Four Parks: One Stale World~
Buried20KLeague
Well-Known Member
Well... I hope you're right.
I'm not feelin' it, and if I were a betting man, I'd try to take all your money on this one.
But I hope you're right.
SirGoofy
Member
You hit the nail on the head. MK's attractions are in terrible shape compared to every other Disneyland style park.
It baffles me when people say, "MK is in great shape! Nothing wrong there!"