DHS Studios entertainment cut over the last few years.

[celluloid]

If you believe that having what is more than a third of the park closed doesn't affect the amount of entertainment that a reasonable person would expect from the park, then we have nothing to discuss.

We dont, but not just because you do not understand that daily operations and capital spending are different, which is common place in themed entetainment, but we have nothing to discuss because you are seeming to intentionally be rude to others with different findings.
"Try again" and similar statements are never called for.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

bUU seems to think that I love all the entertainment I mentioned.... I’m not much of a parade guy. I did like block party bash a lot, but never paid much attention to stars and motor cars.

I didn’t care for mulch sweat and shears, personally, they weren’t my style, but I liked that they existed and people enjoyed them.

I do love the citizens of Hollywood and I’m sorry to see them being cut down to the minimum.

I’m more noticing the cuts and commenting on them.

 

[bcoachable]

If one wants to use “it’s a park in transition, so don’t judge the cuts till the park completes its metamorphosis” then I would think one could ask and expect to receive price cuts to said park in transition... as that’s basically admitting it’s not going to be a full park experience for a while.

 

[bUU]

How much did that reasonable person pay for admission? Why would fewer attractions and lower capacity convince execs to reduce rather then increase entertainment in reaction?

Several of you don't seem to like what they did and seem very heavily invested in the idea that Disney doesn't know how to run theme parks and y'all do so I'm not sure that it is worth trying to help you understand why businesses are run that way. I have to say it must be horrible to be a fan of the parks holding such misconceptions.

 

[bUU]

I’m more noticing the cuts and commenting on them.

But are you allowing yourself to understand how there are two sides to the coin, and how the overall investment in the parks is still remarkably high, higher than most of the competitors?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yes I understand how making cuts is a business decision that helps the bottom line of the said business.

 

[bcoachable]

Several of you don't seem to like what they did and seem very heavily invested in the idea that Disney doesn't know how to run theme parks and y'all do so I'm not sure that it is worth trying to help you understand why businesses are run that way. I have to say it must be horrible to be a fan of the parks holding such misconceptions.

I’m pretty good at running parks- you should see my Rollercoaster Tycoon Stuff I’ve done!!
I’d pay myself $109 to get in some of my designs!

I’m good with what Disney is doing to the parks, addition wise. Would love to see them add stuff without subtracting some, however. I Would also like to see a cohesive theme attempt- but cutting the fun stuff aka citizens of Hollywood? Kinda kills some of the buzz about the place, to me.
Heck, I’m still hurt I can’t call the red pay phone booths over in epcot over by the UK...

 

[Casper Gutman]

Several of you don't seem to like what they did and seem very heavily invested in the idea that Disney doesn't know how to run theme parks and y'all do so I'm not sure that it is worth trying to help you understand why businesses are run that way. I have to say it must be horrible to be a fan of the parks holding such misconceptions.

You seem reluctant to respond to what I actually said rather then dancing around the edges.

You also appear to be quite a believer in the omniscient wisdom and flawless execution of mega-corporations. Have you read much business history, particularly entertainment business history?

More to the point, I’d love to hear your opinion about the original California Adventure or Paris’s studio park. Did those deserve criticism, or were they more evidence that Disney always knows what’s best?

 

[bUU]

I’m pretty good at running parks- you should see my Rollercoaster Tycoon Stuff I’ve done!!

I can believe that is the basis of some of the business 'acumen' that some other posters are putting into this thread.

I’m good with what Disney is doing to the parks, addition wise. Would love to see them add stuff without subtracting some, however.

However, people really need to get past that if they don't want to drive themselves crazy. The industry data doesn't support it. As things stand today, and given the trends in travel and hospitality, people should expect service providers to continually refine their offerings, and that may even include reducing low-performing offerings without replacement.

You seem reluctant to respond to what I actually said rather then dancing around the edges.

Funny, isn't that what I mentioned earlier with regard to some of the comments to which I was replying?

You also appear to be quite a believer in the omniscient wisdom and flawless execution of the Disney Corporation.

Not quite: I am quite a believer in the lack of omniscient wisdom of people who don't have comprehensive market research and don't have a team of experts with proven knowledge, experience and expertise in the industry working for them.

Have you read much business history, particularly entertainment business history?

Yes. I even taught business management before I became a management consultant for Peat Marwick.

More to the point, I’d love to hear your opinion about the original California Adventure or Paris’s studio park.

Why? Are you trying to claim you could have led the company to greater success with those endeavors?

 

[bcoachable]

However, people really need to get past that if they don't want to drive themselves crazy. The industry data doesn't support it. As things stand today, and given the trends in travel and hospitality, people should expect service providers to continually refine their offerings, and that may even include reducing low-performing offerings without replacement.

What if, instead of letting said offerings rot (IE: Energy, GMR), the host company was to maintain and keep relevant said offerings through upkeep and re - design? Then added new offerings in addition to the classics that were properly maintained? What does the data say to that?
Listen, I know data.. as a coach, I go over lots of data... and have changed who I am as a coach based on data. I also know first hand one can manipulate that data (or the method it is collected) to give you feedback on what you really want to hear...
Thanks for the interesting back and forth by the way. I enjoy hearing your perspective.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Hey bUU, you’re arguing for the sake of arguing at this point. When did I try to run the park? I’m simply pointing out an area that is being cut.

Obviously there is a business reason for cutting entertainment costs, food costs, staffing etc.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Why? Are you trying to claim you could have led the company to greater success with those endeavors?

Let’s be very clear about what you are saying: nobody who isn’t part of the upper echelons of a particular field should ever bother thinking critically about that field or commenting on it. In other words, you better not criticize the president unless you’ve also been the president. It’s absurd and childish.

You also continue to cling to the notion of executive leadership as essentially flawless. This is a view, of course, that ignores both common sense and piles upon piles of well-documented evidence.

 

[bUU]

Not quite: I am quite a believer in the lack of omniscient wisdom of people who don't have comprehensive market research and don't have a team of experts with proven knowledge, experience and expertise in the industry working for them.

You also continue to cling to the notion of executive leadership as essentially flawless.

You're clearly not reading what you're replying to.

The bottom line is that some of you are translating what you want into what you think the business should do and that's just plain wrong. All that really does is make you pointlessly angry (or baselessly arrogant, one or the other) and confuse casual readers possibly to the point where they make bad decisions for themselves based on your input. It doesn't actually move the football forward down the field.

 

[bcoachable]

You're clearly not reading what you're replying to.

The bottom line is that some of you are translating what you want into what you think the business should do and that's just plain wrong. All that really does is make you pointlessly angry (or baselessly arrogant, one or the other) and confuse casual readers possibly to the point where they make bad decisions for themselves based on your input. It doesn't actually move the football forward down the field.

Not angry, so I must be arrogant...
Sorry if I have confused anyone with my posts...was not trying to!
In the meantime, I think I will spend my vacation dollars where I know I can get a Slam Dunk of a Value...
Happy New Year

 

[Andrew C]

I can categorically state the cuts are due to cuts. Not transitioning. Some was down to pay disputes. Most was for cost saving.

Only ten years ago we had Block Party Bash with a huge cast. They wouldn’t pay for that today.

Due to a flat budget but increasing operational costs...therefore, certain cuts had to be made in order to meet budget?

 

[marni1971]

Due to a flat budget but increasing operational costs...therefore, certain cuts had to be made in order to meet budget?

Increased profits?

 

[Andrew C]

Increased profits?

It case I was not clear, my post was meant to be a question rather than a statement of truth.

 

[Casper Gutman]

You're clearly not reading what you're replying to.

The bottom line is that some of you are translating what you want into what you think the business should do and that's just plain wrong. All that really does is make you pointlessly angry (or baselessly arrogant, one or the other) and confuse casual readers possibly to the point where they make bad decisions for themselves based on your input. It doesn't actually move the football forward down the field.

Sooo... you believe that criticism here is going to “confuse casual readers” and convince them to “make bad decisions for themselves.” Two thoughts:

1) In this context, I can only imagine you mean that they will decide NOT to go to WDW. And this concerns you.

2) You are arguing that Disney always makes the right choice from a BUSINESS perspective. This has nothing to do with guest experience. Perhaps harming guest experience IS the right choice for stockholders. But pointing out the decline in the quality of guest experiences to other potential guests remains valid even if we concede the towering wisdom of WDW execs. And if those guests decide not to patronize WDW, that may be the wrong decision from the perspective of the execs but the correct one for the guest.

Happy New Year.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

The only one making the business argument is you bUU. Actually you’re the only one arguing at all. I’m simply noticing the cuts and commenting on them.

There’s a great business reason for letting attractions run with almost none of the opening day effects properly running. Or cutting down food quality or closing food service locations altogether.

Live entertainment, like attractions and character m&g’s, are one of the primary reasons guests visit Disney Parks. It’s not some obscure old fashioned offering that is outdated. Ha. Seeing major cuts in live entertainment (and the parade is a major cut to a park) is very notable.

 

[wannabeBelle]

It was a real loss to the park when they cut Mulch... that was such a great piece of entertainment... shame on Disney that all they seem to care about are big $ draws... a lot of us like the nostalgia and tradition... it’s not all about the new and shiny

I couldnt agree more Tracy, that one hurt and the park really hasn't been the same for me since then. So many happy times with the band, including one truly AMAZING New Year's Eve that I caught in person. I hope that Disney can find a way to reunite this amazing entertainment offering. Marie