mickEblu
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Cmon Buddy, you know what we want.
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'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film
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Cmon Buddy, you know what we want.
Ghost93
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Elsa getting a girlfriend and Kristoff coming out as bisexual in Frozen III?
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this is typically a slow period for movies as people are busy with other holiday festivities…it usually picks up again Christmas week once families are together and there is not as much to do…this year will not be as profitable though as much of the competition moved to 2023 as Hollywood was not sure what the pandemic was going to do…next year should be stacked though
mickEblu
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Elsa getting a girlfriend and Kristoff coming out as bisexual in Frozen III?
Yes only if Anna is Elsa’s girlfriend after finding out shes really only her stepsister.
TP2000
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Maybe that would at least help move some of the unsold Anna merchandise in the toy aisles?
jeangreyforever
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She's a dud of a character now. Frozen lost a lot of momentum after Frozen II but Elsa still seems to sell well. Anna seems completely forgotten except as the less pretty sister with no good songs or dresses.
Ghost93
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I think the problem is that Anna completed her character arc and got what she wanted in the first Frozen (to find love and be reconnected with her sister). There isn't much more to do with her character that isn't a retread of what we've already seen. Elsa— defined only in broad strokes in the first movie — still had a lot of room for exploration and growth in the sequels.
They didn't know what to do with Kristoff and Olaf in Frozen II either. I think if they do Frozen III, they should make it fully Elsa-centric and have the other characters just be cameos/small roles. Or they could kill them off!
jeangreyforever
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I liked both Anna and Elsa in the first movie. In the second one, I don't think it's a coincidence that all the deleted scenes were Anna centric plots (and Kristoff as well by extension). It's very clear that Disney realized that Elsa was the breakout character and after the first movie got flack for not featuring her enough, they wanted to make sure no one doubted that this was her movie through and through.
I enjoyed Olaf in the first movie as well but his plotline in Frozen II was insufferable. I didn't find him as warm and endearing. Kristoff I never cared for in the first place but he really feels out of place in Frozen II. Hence why they completely drop him in the final act of the movie and no one even seems to care. It seems like the only reason they included Kristoff in the adventure was because they were afraid of maybe alienating any little boys who wanted a human male presence included, otherwise there was no reason to justify his inclusion.
Most of the fandom and general public are only interested in Elsa and for the ones clamoring for the inevitable Frozen III, they're really just concerned about what happens to her. I agree that they should drop the rest of the characters, save for Olaf since I think he's too tied to Frozen's marketing to be dropped completely. Allegedly the test screen ending for Frozen II ended with Elsa sacrificing herself with a final scene hinting at her resurrection but Bob Iger nixed this. Funny how he saved Elsa but not Ben Solo.
TP2000
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That's very commendable of you to take the high road like that. You're a better man than I am.
Because I think the problem is just that Anna is the shorter brunette standing next to the hot blonde.
Anna never stood a chance, the poor dear.
jeangreyforever
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Anna's technically a redhead. But you're right that she never stood a chance. Elsa gets the magical sparkly dress, the magical white hair, the magical powers, the magical ice castle, and the power anthem. And then Frozen II comes along and gives her two new power anthems, a new magical sparkly dress with hairstyle to match, and a magical horse. She even gets confirmed as the favored child and prophesized fifth spirit. The only thing Anna gets in these movies is a smelly oaf.That's very commendable of you to take the high road like that. You're a better man than I am.
Because I think the problem is just that Anna is the shorter brunette standing next to the hot blonde.
Anna never stood a chance, the poor dear.
TP2000
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True. But haven't we all been there once or twice in our lives?
Now that I think about it like this, I'm starting to warm up to Anna.
But honestly, put these two ladies at the end of the bar at a TGIFridays about 30 minutes before Last Call, and who gets chatted up first? It's basic science. Or something. And the toy aisles at Target never lie.
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jeangreyforever
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That image reminds me that Elsa gets the funky makeup as well. Anna gets...freckles, which don't tend to be part of every little girl's dreams. Certainly not Anne of Green Gables.True. But haven't we all been there once or twice in our lives?
Now that I think about it like this, I'm starting to warm up to Anna.
But honestly, put these two ladies at the end of the bar at a TGIFridays about 30 minutes before Last Call, and who gets chatted up first? It's basic science. Or something.
It is kinda sad that the only thing Anna gets in the two movies is a man. And even that's a point against her now since Elsa comes across as the empowered and independent heroine that's so in vogue nowadays whereas man-crazy Anna falls in love with 2 men in the span of 24 hours and gets rejected by the first and then is convinced by an infant snowman who's only been alive for about the same span of time that she's really in love with the only other age-appropriate man she's interacted with.
Even if you're a child who wants to play as a princess who gets her Prince Charming rather than be single, you've got dozens of other options besides Anna. And all the other princesses come with actual princes who have better personalities and hygiene or if they don't have personalities, they at least have good lucks and come with their own castles. The only thing Kristoff brings to the table is a bag of manure and a reindeer who probably smells better than he does.
DisneyHead123
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Counterpoint though - you have Mirabel and Isabela. I think kids by default just cheer for the main protagonist and maybe the wacky sidekick.
An aside, Olaf reminds me of the time when Disney was better at competing with Universal in movies that appeal to kids. He has as much market share as any minion, I would think. That brand of goofy humor has been missing in more recent offerings.
An aside, Olaf reminds me of the time when Disney was better at competing with Universal in movies that appeal to kids. He has as much market share as any minion, I would think. That brand of goofy humor has been missing in more recent offerings.
Heppenheimer
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The bond holders that financed the films, though, need to paid when those bonds mature, not when the film eventually makes money.
Heppenheimer
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As a parent of children who love Disney Jr's Puppy Dog Pals, I can assure you that this movie got it completely wrong. Nobody wanted to see the pets of established superheroes.
What we needed instead was Captain Dog: The Movie, voiced by Patrick Warburton.
Heppenheimer
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Even though the movie itself didn't have much a lasting impression, I think they significantly improved Elsa as a character. In the first film, she's simply an awful queen and beyond having a good song, she really does nothing to earn the audience's sympathy.
In Frozen II, we actually see Elsa governing responsibly and making decisions that don't involve isolating herself in a magic ice castle. And crucially, when she decides to relinquish power, she clearly and unambiguously passes the line of succession to her sister. If you follow the history of monarchies, you can understand how important having a clearly defined, healthy heir is to the political stability of a realm.
If anything, Anna is the bad royal in Frozen II. If I remember correctly, doesn't she more or less decide that the entire kingdom needs to be destroyed? Genocide, anyone?
And Olaf? He must die!!!
Phroobar
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So Strange World's bonds are totally worthless.
Heppenheimer
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Probably not, because the bonds (and any other form of debt that financed the film) were issued by Disney. Disney typically has a pretty good credit rating.
Strange World's debt will get paid, just not with profits from the film itself.
Heppenheimer
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Well, if I was at this magical TGIFs you speak of (and still single), I think I would go for Anna. Elsa looks like the type that doesn't have the time for us plebes. Probably really high maintenance too. And as we know from the movie, when she's having her "issues", nothing else in the world matters, she needs to go off to her Ice Castle/She-Shed to work things out. Too much make-up, too.True. But haven't we all been there once or twice in our lives?
Now that I think about it like this, I'm starting to warm up to Anna.
But honestly, put these two ladies at the end of the bar at a TGIFridays about 30 minutes before Last Call, and who gets chatted up first? It's basic science. Or something. And the toy aisles at Target never lie.
Anna, on the other hand, is much warmer, with "bring her home to meet mom and dad" looks and personality. She might fall in love a little too easily, but that's better than the icy rejection that would likely come from Elsa. Plus, I have a thing for redheads.
jeangreyforever
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In the original test screening for audiences, she actually succeeded in destroying Arendelle. I think they nixed that because they knew there wouldn't be any synergy with the fact that they were building Arendelle in several of the parks.