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'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Has it really been three years?!? Are you sure? I thought it was only a year or so ago that I came up with that opinion.

I mean, I've made some rather savvy (or just lucky) and well timed career and financial decisions in my life, especially recently. But I doubt that I'm that smart. Three years? 🧐
I won't go back and find every post you made on it, but it sure seems like since the beginning of the whole sending Pixar films to D+ almost 3 years ago you've had this stance that Pixar and WDAS should merge into Burbank.

I love streaming personally. I can see that it works. But I don't think it works under the current strategy of spending $150 to $200 Million to make a movie, only to have it make $100 Million or less in theaters before you send it to streaming for 8 or 12 bucks a month. This isn't exclusive to Disney, I don't see how it works long-term for Paramount or Universal or Netflix.

Something's gotta give. My hunch is that the days of catered lunches, low six figure manager jobs, and armies of Burbank cubicle drones who can march around taking Comp Days when they don't get pandered to enough will soon be over.

This current business plan that Burbank and Emeryville are using is not sustainable. I await the fallout...
As I've said costs have to come down, that is plain and simple. No one here is arguing that point. I pretty sure we all agree universally across this site that Disney's costs need to come down. Iger has said the same thing, so Disney is well aware of it needing to reign in costs.

But streaming is not ALL big budget productions. Sure they make big splashy clickbate headlines about a big budget production hitting streaming. But the vast majority of content on streaming services aren't big budget, or have had their budgets covered through other means.

So your hyperbolic stance that its a pyramid scheme is again coming across as a "get off my lawn" tin foil hat opinion. Because its anything but a pyramid scheme. As its really just the next evolution of media delivery from what cable providers were doing previously.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
So your hyperbolic stance that its a pyramid scheme is again coming across as a "get off my lawn" tin foil hat opinion. Because its anything but a pyramid scheme. As its really just the next evolution of media delivery from what cable providers were doing previously.

It seems to me that Burbank should have put its massive and comprehensive catalog of film and TV from the 20th century on Disney+ "for free!", or 8 bucks a month. Everything from Dumbo to Mickey Mouse Club to Herbie Goes Bananas to Disneyland After Dark. Plus geeky stuff for fans like the EPCOT Center Grand Opening Special, or Fantasia 2000.

Then, on top of that massive vault catalog for 8 bucks, they could have offered newer/bigger films for an upcharge of $15 or so for a 48 hour streaming window; stuff like Toy Story or Lion King or Frozen or Star Wars. And when new stuff like Lightyear or Luca end their 45 60 day run in theaters, they offer it on Disney+ for at least $25 for the first few months, which is still less than a family of four in Boise would spend going to the theater.

At least that way you're making some real money and not weakening your flagship brands in the marketplace.

But then, what do I know?

FYI, it will take 14 Million years for the creeping San Andreas Fault to move Burbank the 400 miles north all the way to the San Francisco Bay. Bob Iger should cut out the middle man and move Pixar's campus in Emeryville south to Burbank now.
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
It seems to me that Burbank should have put its massive and comprehensive catalog of film and TV from the 20th century on Disney+ "for free!", or 8 bucks a month. Everything from Dumbo to Mickey Mouse Club to Herbie Goes Bananas to Disneyland After Dark. Plus geeky stuff for fans like the EPCOT Center Grand Opening Special, or Fantasia 2000.
As you probably know, or maybe you don't, in the US a majority of 20th Century content goes on Hulu. Outside the US all that content goes into D+ under the Star+ banner. Once Disney takes full control of Hulu in 2024 the expected move is for Disney to merge Hulu and D+ to have one uniform experience around the globe.

As for Disney Vault content, Disney is already releasing older content monthly. For example the old Zorro series just came out of the vault and recently made its way to D+ for the first time. They are slow dripping it instead of opening the flood gates as a way to keep content fresh.

Then, on top of that massive vault catalog for 8 bucks, they could have offered newer/bigger films for an upcharge of $15 or so for a 48 hour streaming window; stuff like Toy Story or Lion King or Frozen or Star Wars. And when new stuff like Lightyear or Luca end their 45 60 day run in theaters, they offer it on Disney+ for at least $25 for the first few months, which is still less than a family of four in Boise would spend going to the theater.

At least that way you're making some real money and not weakening your flagship brands in the marketplace.

But then, what do I know?
Hmm, Disney tried that with Premier Access with new releases, remember? And everyone complained about it because "I already pay for my subscription why should I pay more", "Disney is nickel and diming me" or some other excuse, while still paying for it anyways. I would have no issue to Iger bringing it back for new run movies. For older releases though, nah, this isn't a old content video rental store. You do that and you certainly will have more complaints of "Disney is nickel and diming me" again.

FYI, it will take 14 Million years for the creeping San Andreas Fault to move Burbank the 400 miles north all the way to the San Francisco Bay. Bob Iger should cut out the middle man and move Pixar's campus in Emeryville south to Burbank now.
:rolleyes:
 

_caleb

Well-Known Member
How could I not? And wasn't it great?!?

At one point in August, 2019, I was laughing so hard I literally fell off the sofa. I was on the actual floor. Laughing. 🤣

A few folks here know the real entire story. But even then, it only gets funnier. ;)
It was indeed a welcome bit of intrigue ahead of the pandemic.

Some day, someone should pull that thread again.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Hmm, Disney tried that with Premier Access with new releases, remember? And everyone complained about it because "I already pay for my subscription why should I pay more", "Disney is nickel and diming me" or some other excuse, while still paying for it anyways.

That sounds like the same complaint Disney fans make about Annual Pass prices. And yet they still pay. ;)

Every other streaming service offers premier, first-run movie content at a premium. I had to pay Amazon Prime extra for the privilege of watching Ford Vs. Ferrari last month, and I only had 48 hours access to it. And that movie is three years old! (And wasn't as good as I had hoped.)

Disney should do the same with their mega-budget films like Lightyear, Strange World, etc.
 

TwilightZone

Well-Known Member
That sounds like the same complaint Disney fans make about Annual Pass prices. And yet they still pay. ;)

Every other streaming service offers premier, first-run movie content at a premium. I had to pay Amazon Prime extra for the privilege of watching Ford Vs. Ferrari last month, and I only had 48 hours access to it. And that movie is three years old! (And wasn't as good as I had hoped.)

Disney should do the same with their mega-budget films like Lightyear, Strange World, etc.

I think a balance could work. First 3 months (let's just say that), you pay for fresh big - budget movies at a small price (let's say 15 dollars, maybe more, maybe less), then the rest of the year it becomes free.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
That sounds like the same complaint Disney fans make about Annual Pass prices. And yet they still pay. ;)

Every other streaming service offers premier, first-run movie content at a premium. I had to pay Amazon Prime extra for the privilege of watching Ford Vs. Ferrari last month, and I only had 48 hours access to it. And that movie is three years old! (And wasn't as good as I had hoped.)

Disney should do the same with their mega-budget films like Lightyear, Strange World, etc.
You should put your name in the hat for the next CEO.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
The actress who starred in Strange World as the mom blamed streaming yesterday for the movie's box office failure.

I'm not so sure it's all that easy, because streaming doesn't explain Top Gun: Maverick, or Thor 4, or Wakanda Forever, or Spiderman, or Jurassic World, or Doctor Strange, or Minions Rise of Gru, or Elvis, etc., etc.

But for the record, the stars of Strange World are blaming streaming. Yup, that's it. šŸ¤”

 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
That sounds like the same complaint Disney fans make about Annual Pass prices. And yet they still pay. ;)

Every other streaming service offers premier, first-run movie content at a premium. I had to pay Amazon Prime extra for the privilege of watching Ford Vs. Ferrari last month, and I only had 48 hours access to it. And that movie is three years old! (And wasn't as good as I had hoped.)

Disney should do the same with their mega-budget films like Lightyear, Strange World, etc.
Not correct, Netflix does not offer first run content at a premium, its an SVOD (Subscription Video on Demand) only. This is the same with AppleTV+.

Amazon Prime is a PVOD (Premium Video on Demand also know as Transactional Video on Demand) provider for other studios, Apple iTunes store is the same. For its own content, Amazon Originals, its all included with the subscription at no extra cost, making it also a SVOD. So you get all Amazon Originals with your Prime subscription, not paying any extra, making it like Netflix and AppleTV+ in that regard. So think of Amazon Prime as a hybrid of different VOD models.

And it should be added that Amazon just spent over $500M to produce Rings of Power, which it gave away for free to all Prime subscribers.

Disney+ is an SVOD, not an PVOD. It tried the PVOD experiment with Premier Access, we'll see if Iger brings that back or not. But Disney+ will always be SVOD first and foremost.

Now to add even more complexity into this both Netflix and Disney+ introduced an Ad model. So that should help with offsetting costs as its been reported that at least 25% of all D+ subs will go with the Ad tier.

But the point is that no not every streaming service offers content at a premium.
 

TP2000

Well-Known Member
Not correct, Netflix does not offer first run content at a premium, its an SVOD (Subscription Video on Demand) only. This is the same with AppleTV+.

Amazon Prime is a PVOD (Premium Video on Demand also know as Transactional Video on Demand) provider for other studios, Apple iTunes store is the same. For its own content, Amazon Originals, its all included with the subscription at no extra cost, making it also a SVOD. So you get all Amazon Originals with your Prime subscription, not paying any extra, making it like Netflix and AppleTV+ in that regard. So think of Amazon Prime as a hybrid of different VOD models.

And it should be added that Amazon just spent over $500M to produce Rings of Power, which it gave away for free to all Prime subscribers.

Disney+ is an SVOD, not an PVOD. It tried the PVOD experiment with Premier Access, we'll see if Iger brings that back or not. But Disney+ will always be SVOD first and foremost.

Now to add even more complexity into this both Netflix and Disney+ introduced an Ad model. So that should help with offsetting costs as its been reported that at least 25% of all D+ subs will go with the Ad tier.

But the point is that no not every streaming service offers content at a premium.

Yeah, now that I think about it, Netflix doesn’t charge extra for their big stuff. And they make it way too easy to cancel and resubscribe for a month at a time to binge all their big stuff.

I’ve been an Amazon Prime member since it started. And my nephews wife is a VP up at Amazon HQ in Seattle. But I still had to pay five bucks to watch the three year old Ford Vs. Ferrari! No respect for their oldest customers! :mad: šŸ˜‚
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Yeah, now that I think about it, Netflix doesn’t charge extra for their big stuff. And they make it way too easy to cancel and resubscribe for a month at a time to binge all their big stuff.

I’ve been an Amazon Prime member since it started. And my nieces wife is a VP up at Amazon HQ in Seattle. But I still had to pay five bucks to watch the three year old Ford Vs. Ferrari! No respect for their oldes customers! :mad: šŸ˜‚
Basically very few of the major players in streaming today charge for their premium content, as that is not how the subscription model works. That is why it was such a novel concept for Disney to try Premier Access during the pandemic. Its also why WB pushing all their movies to premiere on HBO Max for free the same day as releasing in theaters was also a novel concept. Point is that Studios are figuring out the economics and trying different things. The things that work will remain, the things that don't will go away. Again in the end this will benefit us as consumers as it gives us more choice in how we get to consume our content.

Also that $5 you paid for Ford vs Ferrari on Amazon, part of that went to Disney. So Iger thanks you. :)
 

Phroobar

Well-Known Member
Now you're talking about quality, and well that is subjective based on the viewer.

I haven't watched it as I wasn't really interested.
I wouldn't attach "quality" to it. It looked amazing but the story had nothing to do with what Tolkien wrote. The acting was so wooden that even Groot could do better. I finished it and started watching Fellowship of the Ring. Much better.
 

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