'Strange World' Disney's 2022 Animated Film

[DKampy]

How did it crash and burn? Halloween Kills grossed more domestically than Encanto, and as a Blumhouse feature had a huge profit margin for what it cost the studio. It was a Rated R feature that outperformed a Disney animated Holiday release. It was a fact to point out.

You may be thinking of Halloween Ends, from just this last fall, which did not do great but was also on Peacock with the same logic you give Encanto. It still doubled it's budget domestically so it was a success, just a third in a series of reboots. Ha.

It is cool that Encanto caught on with Disney Plus for a bit as it was released rather quickly. But plenty of movies out performed it and as far as cultural relevance,

Chicken Little was bigger financial hit and as far as how cultural impact goes I remember the Toys, the video game and the presence in the parks including painting the soundstage shaped building of The Brown Derby.

It does not always last.

Encanto is not even Hercules, it is just a recent moderate hit.

No it did not…I just checked box office mojo…Encanto made 96 domestic and 256 world wide while Halloween Kills made 92 domestic and 133 worldwide…Halloween Kills did ok it’s opening weekend but fell off a cliff after that due to day and date release on peacock… sure it was also cut short due to streaming…but it never caught on the way Encanto did… in fact most of Halloween’s core fan base can’t stand that movie

 

[erasure fan1]

It’s as if some here actually want Disney to fail.

I'm sure they do. I know part of me wants them to fail. The only way things get better is for Disney to get hit hard in the pocket book. Disney has been the poster child of mediocrity on the film side for a while now. And the theme park side of things speak for themselves. They need a nice kick in the bum to hopefully put them back on track to being the gold standard.

 

[celluloid]

No it did not…I just checked box office mojo…Encanto made 96 domestic and 256 world wide while Halloween Kills made 92 domestic and 133 worldwide…Halloween Kills did ok it’s opening weekend but fell off a cliff after that due to day and date release on peacock… sure it was also cut short due to streaming…but it never caught on the way Encanto did… in fact most of Halloween’s core fan base can’t stand that movie

The point was domestically, it was a bigger box office but theatrically. A rated R movie that cost 20 Million to make.
You are saying recent cultural, I am saying financial on a film's own accord. Culturally it is easy for Disney to have their only moderate hit be present in the parks. They don't have anything else to do and current execs rely on that synergy chasing.




It puts how much Disney has fallen into perspective.

The Fact that Sing 2 made 400 million worldwide compared to Encanto's numbers shows you all you need to know. It's a recent moderate Disney release. That is why you see all the synergy chasing. It does not mean it is as culturally big as you are making it out.

Encanto was rushed to Disney Plus because Disney Plus needed it and the theaterical run was not going to earn much .kre for them. Otherwise they would have left it there.

 

[DKampy]

The point was domestically, it was a bigger box office but theatrically. A rated R movie that cost 20 Million to make.
You are saying recent cultural, I am saying financial on a film's own accord. Culturally it is easy for Disney to have their only moderate hit be present in the parks. They don't have anything else to do and current execs rely on that synergy chasing.




It puts how much Disney has fallen into perspective.

The Fact that Sing 2 made 400 million worldwide compared to Encanto's numbers shows you all you need to know. It's a recent moderate Disney release. That is why you see all the synergy chasing. It does not mean it is as culturally big as you are making it out.

Encanto was rushed to Disney Plus because Disney Plus needed it and the theaterical run was not going to earn much .kre for them. Otherwise they would have left it there.

Even domestically it made more Encanto 96 Halloween 92… plus if we are going on direct profit how much merchandise did Halloween make in merch and album sales compared To Encanto… but once again both cut their profits short with Streaming and Sing would of too if it was widely available on streaming too…Encanto has certainly been enveloped more in pop culture

 

[Disney Analyst]

My only memory of when Encanto came out is that most people (including us) stopped going to theatres again, as new restrictions came back in place due to a big surge up here.

So I was very grateful when they put it on Disney+ super fast.

Such an amazing film.

 

[celluloid]

Even domestically it made more Encanto 96 Halloween 92… plus if we are going on direct profit how much merchandise did Halloween make in merch and album sales compared To Encanto… but once again both cut their profits short with Streaming and Sing would of too if it was widely available on streaming too…Encanto has certainly been enveloped more in pop culture

Pushed by synergy. Again. Speaking just movies earning back their own production budget, Encanto was not a rousing success.

 

[DKampy]

Pushed by synergy. Again. Speaking just movies earning back their own production budget, Encanto was not a rousing success.

Yawn… keep pushing the back the goal posts.. I guarantee Disney is pleased with Encanto more than Universal is with Halloween did

 

[celluloid]

Yawn… keep pushing the back the goal posts.. I guarantee Disney is pleased with Encanto more than Universal is with Halloween did

There were no goal posts moving as I made my point clear from the start. Speaking in terms of box office theatrical attention for their return on investment. To your second point I think HHN and all the merch there to for them now being known to associate with the movie says differently. They had three hits out of the property that is already culturally 50 years old. The fact that a Disney animated big budget release could even be compared is wild, and yet we can.

Disney forgot how to do middle budget hits.

You should take that nap if you are so cranky to toss out yawns. If a post is boring you, you do not have to respond.

Maybe you can dream to interview a personification with such questions to guarantee.

Done speaking with someone who yawns over a response.

 

[DKampy]

There were no goal posts moving as I made my point clear from the start. Speaking in terms of box office theatrical attention for their return on investment. To your second point I think HHN and all the merch there to for them now being known to associate with the movie says differently. They had three hits out of the property that is already culturally 50 years old. The fact that a Disney animated big budget release could even be compared is wild, and yet we can.

Disney forgot how to do middle budget hits.

You should take that nap if you are so cranky to toss out yawns. If a post is boring you, you do not have to respond.

Maybe you can dream to interview a personification with such questions to guarantee.

Done speaking with someone who yawns over a response.

You do move your goal posts though first you say your just talking box office take… but then you move to compared to budget…then you say international does not count for Halloween as R Rated does not work there, but you don’t want to take into account that Disney Announced when Encanto was going to streaming before it arrived in theaters.

Which as a theater guy… I do think it is a mistake to jump on streaming right away… it cuts into your box office take…I get it… Disney wanted to sell streaming packages for Christmas, but if you give it a longer theatrical run you will make extra profit in the long run and the popularity of the film will only prop up your service in the long run

Any Halloween merchandise sold is more on the franchise as a whole… the third Halloween movie in the latest batch of sequels is further proof what the reception is of the latest sequels

 

[LittleBuford]

My only memory of when Encanto came out is that most people (including us) stopped going to theatres again, as new restrictions came back in place due to a big surge up here.

So I was very grateful when they put it on Disney+ super fast.

Same for me. In another era, I definitely would have gone to the cinema to see it. I’ve only just begun dipping my toes back into that world (I missed it!).

Such an amazing film.

I really liked it but didn’t love it. I’m not quite sure why that is. Onward remains my favourite thing that Disney or Pixar has done in recent years, followed by Luca.

 

[RobWDW1971]

Fall 2021 Family Movies Global Box Office:

9/3/21 Shang-Chi $432M
11/5/21 Eternals $402M
(Covid explodes leading all parents and families to stay underground)
11/24/21 Encanto $257M
(Covid is eradicated freeing all parents and families to leave the house)
12/17/21 Spiderman: No Way Home $1.9 Billion
12/22/21 Sing 2 $408M

Little question as to why it was unceremoniously dumped onto Disney+ in 30 days unlike the others to their respective streaming services, which was the same reason Strange World was dumped onto Disney+ except that had an even more horrific global box office of only $73M (well, or maybe Covid broke out that week, or the dog ate their homework, or the sun got in their eyes, or, or, perhaps.....).

 

[BrianLo]

How did it crash and burn? Halloween Kills grossed more domestically than Encanto, and as a Blumhouse feature had a huge profit margin for what it cost the studio. It was a Rated R feature that outperformed a Disney animated Holiday release. It was a fact to point out.

You may be thinking of Halloween Ends, from just this last fall, which did not do great but was also on Peacock with the same logic you give Encanto. It still doubled it's budget domestically so it was a success, just a third in a series of reboots. Ha.

It is cool that Encanto caught on with Disney Plus for a bit as it was released rather quickly. But plenty of movies out performed it and as far as cultural relevance,

Chicken Little was bigger financial hit and as far as how cultural impact goes I remember the Toys, the video game and the presence in the parks including painting the soundstage shaped building of The Brown Derby.

It does not always last.

Encanto is not even Hercules, it is just a recent moderate hit.


And back to the present, financially receptive as a film is what the discussion has been:

Disney's recent attempts have not been doing well. Even with all the formula of timing and laurels in place.
Pixar and Disney Animation both fizzled.

Universal's Illumination and DreamWorks both hit their marks.

For the millionth time I am not talking about Encanto's box office performance, which clearly underperformed. Encanto is the single most watched (adjusting for content length - on an annual basis) product on any streaming platform, ever. Ever!

It was more watched than the Office during the Pandemic. More watched than Squid Games. More watched than Stranger Things. More watched than the Mandalorian. It also has not fallen off charts unlike those ongoing properties tend to between their episode releases.

It is the only property Disney has ever started discussing adding into the parks within 6 months of release, other than Frozen.

From their Q4 annual financial statement merchandise growth, Encanto is specifically called out.

See you in 5-10 years when that movie hasn't gone anywhere and everyone is complaining about how it doesn't belong in "X" park and why does Disney feel the need to add We don't Talk about Bruno to every night spectacular.

 

[celluloid]

For the millionth time I am not talking about Encanto's box office performance, which clearly underperformed. Encanto is the single most watched (adjusting for content length - on an annual basis) product on any streaming platform, ever. Ever!

It was more watched than the Office during the Pandemic. More watched than Squid Games. More watched than Stranger Things. More watched than the Mandalorian. It also has not fallen off charts unlike those ongoing properties tend to between their episode releases.

It is the only property Disney has ever started discussing adding into the parks within 6 months of release, other than Frozen.

From their Q4 annual financial statement merchandise growth, Encanto is specifically called out.

See you in 5-10 years when that movie hasn't gone anywhere and everyone is complaining about how it doesn't belong in "X" park and why does Disney feel the need to add We don't Talk about Bruno to every night spectacular.

Kids rewatch a lot of things for a year or two, and then stop. It was a Disney Musical new release. It's not a bomb,. It it did also not resonate the same way the others you mention did.

Of course they mention in quarter results. The biggest but they had recently does not mean the same as a huge hit they should have had. No one is saying it is a failure, but it's too soon to say it is on the same league.

Imagine if they could have tracked how many times kids watched Hercules on home video. Or Emperors New Groove. Both have which largely dropped off and not used much in parks anymore(sans a few songs and motifs) but are not in the same league as Frozen, Beauty and The Beast, Little Mermaid or original Walt era Princesses.

 

[BrianLo]

Kids rewatch a lot of things for a year or two, and then stop. It was a Disney Musical new release. It's not a bomb,. It it did also not resonate the same way the others you mention did.

Of course they mention in quarter results. The biggest but they had recently does not mean the same as a huge hit they should have had. No one is saying it is a failure, but it's too soon to say it is on the same league.

Imagine if they could have tracked how many times kids watched Hercules on home video. Or Emperors New Groove. Both have which largely dropped off and not used much in parks anymore(sans a few songs and motifs) but are not in the same league as Frozen, Beauty and The Beast, Little Mermaid or original Walt era Princesses.

Fair enough, its staying power we have certainly not determined yet one way or the other. We'll certainly see if it sticks like Frozen or Moana over the next 5-10 years.

 

[celluloid]

Fair enough, its staying power we have certainly not determined yet one way or the other. We'll certainly see if it sticks like Frozen or Moana over the next 5-10 years.

The big push for that five to ten from now is Tiana. They teased an idea Blue Sky of an attractio lands of CoCo and Encanto. It was good talk of what if like many others that never come to pass. It takes then nearly two years to retheme a log flume with years in development before that. I don't think we will be seeing much more Encanto than there already is easily slipped into temp meet and greets and Night time musical numbers during fireworks. The easy stuff Disney likes to do.
By then, something bigger will be a push, so maybe an Ecanto sequel doing bangers or Disney Plus series is the best kind of hope for it.

 

[Heppenheimer]

The big push for that five to ten from now is Tiana. They teased an idea Blue Sky of an attractio lands of CoCo and Encanto. It was good talk of what if like many others that never come to pass. It takes then nearly two years to retheme a log flume with years in development before that. I don't think we will be seeing much more Encanto than there already is easily slipped into temp meet and greets and Night time musical numbers during fireworks. The easy stuff Disney likes to do.
By then, something bigger will be a push, so maybe an Ecanto sequel doing bangers or Disney Plus series is the best kind of hope for it.

Without looking this up, was the original perception that The Princess and the Frog underperformed? I know it wasn't a flop, and I seem to recall that it was generally well received, but it just didn't seem to land like they hoped.

Wifey and I recently rewatched it, and although I remember it being a pretty good movie at the time, it was much better than I remember. I'm looking forward to how they integrate the movie into New Orleans Square at Disneyland, which is a natural fit.

I wonder, though, where would Encanto fit in the parks? The setting really isn't "jungle" enough for Adventureland, and I can't see them getting away with the intellectually lazy option of putting it in the Mexico pavilion ("It's Spanish, they won't know the difference..." says the soon-to-be-fired executive). There's no thematic connection to Frontierland. Maybe if they added a South America section to Animal Kingdom, but it seems like Disney won't add anything to the parks these days unless it has an ironclad connection to an existing intellectual property.

 

[celluloid]

Without looking this up, was the original perception that The Princess and the Frog underperformed? I know it wasn't a flop, and I seem to recall that it was generally well received, but it just didn't seem to land like they hoped.

Wifey and I recently rewatched it, and although I remember it being a pretty good movie at the time, it was much better than I remember. I'm looking forward to how they integrate the movie into New Orleans Square at Disneyland, which is a natural fit.

I wonder, though, where would Encanto fit in the parks? The setting really isn't "jungle" enough for Adventureland, and I can't see them getting away with the intellectually lazy option of putting it in the Mexico pavilion ("It's Spanish, they won't know the difference..." says the soon-to-be-fired executive). There's no thematic connection to Frontierland. Maybe if they added a South America section to Animal Kingdom, but it seems like Disney won't add anything to the parks these days unless it has an ironclad connection to an existing intellectual property.

It would be a Mystic Manor type ride with enchanted house in the new.land that was Blue Sky, but that is a hefty price tag for the property.

Princess and The Frog with inflation did less than Puss'n' Boots: The Last Wish has done in it's box office run. It has lasting appeal because as you point out, it is well done, but it only gets a rethemed ride. I don't think Encanto will call for a.major part of an all new land in the next five years.

 

[Ghost93]

Without looking this up, was the original perception that The Princess and the Frog underperformed? I know it wasn't a flop, and I seem to recall that it was generally well received, but it just didn't seem to land like they hoped.

It wasn't a debacle, but it wasn't a resounding success either. It did moderately well but wasn't the huge comeback for 2D animation that Disney and fans hoped for. So in that sense, it underperformed.

Still, the Princess and the Frog has maintained popularity over the years and had a more cultural impact than movies that made more money from that era (Chicken Little, Bolt, etc.)

Strange World is definitely a flop, but only time will tell if it has any staying power. Fantasia, Alice in Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty were flops when they first came out, and all are regarded as beloved classics today. Whereas movies like The Black Cauldron and Treasure Planet flopped on initial release and have pretty much vanished from pop culture. I don't see Strange World getting a revival, but who knows. Maybe it will age well. We really won't know until about 10 years from now.

 

[erasure fan1]

It wasn't a debacle, but it wasn't a resounding success either. It did moderately well but wasn't the huge comeback for 2D animation that Disney and fans hoped for. So in that sense, it underperformed.

I'd say it was a definite underperformer. It had a 105mil budget and made only 267mil. By most accepted standards, it would have needed about 315mil to break even. So it wouldn't be wrong to say it was a flop. At least in the states it was by not even making its budget back. That said, the film was received well by most and really suffered from a terrible marketing strategy where it was aimed at little girls. It wasn't the quality of the film that was the reason it didn't do well. It is my favorite animated film since lion king.

 

[celluloid]

If you want a theatrical comparison feel for how popular if it were out today. Puss'n' Boots Last Wish, has outperofrmed it, even with inflation. Bot domestically and worldwide.

I am not saying they have the same merch punch power, but it is wild that both Puss'n'Boots spin off movies of Shrek, ten years apart, have outperformed the single Princess and The Frog Movie