Story Book Circus?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[MichWolv]

I guess someone at the naming department needs to be fired. :lol:

Cool! We can now recreate the "What mistakes are worthy of firing somebody" discussion that just concluded yesterday on the "Yeti will never be fixed" thread. :lol:

 

[jmick71]

You are not missing anything.

There is a contingent of posters here who will complain about anything that isn't designed with them in mind. For them, Disney is not allowed to do anything aimed at families with children (ie Disney's target demographic).

Wow
Does nobody understand what i am saying
they can keep the meet and greets and the families with children stuff that SBC has (except the games) And just re theme it. i am also saying that there is enough room to build a new attraction (Never said coaster and i never said big thrill) i was aiming for a family attraction. the whole area needs to be re themed (except where goofy and dumbo is) because in this day and age there is much more that could be done (If Walt thought it was tacky and did not want it for disneyland why should it be built)

 

[TP2000]

Plus, the nod to StorybookLand is at least a little nostalgic. I would prefer actually getting StorybookLand instead.

But how many WDW visitors who have never been to Disneyland USA or Disneyland Paris will even get the reference to StorybookLand, or know why it's significant in the list of Disney theme park place names?

The average Midwest or East Coast tourist who has never been to California has no idea what StorybookLand is, or that there's an intricately detailed boat ride through it and a wacky Casey Jr. train ride around it.

StorybookLand has no connection to Dumbo or any of the other Characters we've seen thus far in Circusland, and it's not represented in FLE by any boat ride or train ride or anything, so I've always been confused why they tacked on the StorybookLand moniker to the front of the name. :veryconfu

 

[TP2000]

because in this day and age there is much more that could be done (If Walt thought it was tacky and did not want it for disneyland why should it be built)

Walt didn't think circuses were inherently tacky, and he actually built quite a lavish circus at Disneyland in 1956. He also hosted a circus wagon parade down Main Street USA to help celebrate it. It failed not because it wasn't a good circus, but because the circus theme didn't hold up well to the rest of Disneyland. People wanted to see Disneyland, not a circus that also comes to their town every year anyway.

Walt shut down Disneyland's circus by 1957 and moved on to bigger ideas for his park.

 

[marni1971]

Wow
Does nobody understand what i am saying

Yes we do.

In TDOs eyes why spend even more money when the masses will come anyway to ride Mermaid?

 

[MichWolv]

But how many WDW visitors who have never been to Disneyland USA or Disneyland Paris will even get the reference to StorybookLand, or know why it's significant in the list of Disney theme park place names?

The average Midwest or East Coast tourist who has never been to California has no idea what StorybookLand is, or that there's an intricately detailed boat ride through it and a wacky Casey Jr. train ride around it.

StorybookLand has no connection to Dumbo or any of the other Characters we've seen thus far in Circusland, and it's not represented in FLE by any boat ride or train ride or anything, so I've always been confused why they tacked on the StorybookLand moniker to the front of the name. :veryconfu

Very few of the visitors will get anything out of it. Just us crazies around here. But we were talking (in that particular exchange) only about the name. If you've already decided to have a circus-themed area, what would you have called it? Could be Dumbo's Circus, but then doesn't accomodate Goofy. Could be the Toontown Circus, which would have been OK with me, but doesn't exaclty sound much better then Storybook Circus. Could be the "We need a theme that encompasses a broad range of things, but don't want to spend much money" Circus, but that doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

In other words, complaining about the content of the area seems right, but given the content, the name doesn't provide me anything more to complain about.

Carsland, however..:hurl:. Oh, I forgot my least favorite recent naming decision. We want a Pirate-themed restaurant, so we will take a restaurant called "The Pirate and the Parrot" and change it to "Tortuga Tavern". Why will that draw in the Pirate-lovers more than the original name? And why do we need three restaurants in the MK with "Tavern" in their name? To increase the chances of people messing up when trying to meet for lunch? :hammer:

As somebody suggested earlier, perhaps people in the naming department should be sacked. And if that doesn't happen, then those responsible for sacking people should be sacked (and if you didn't get the Monty Python reference there, I apologize).

 

[njDizFan]

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[MUTZIE77]

Wow
Does nobody understand what i am saying
they can keep the meet and greets and the families with children stuff that SBC has (except the games) And just re theme it. i am also saying that there is enough room to build a new attraction (Never said coaster and i never said big thrill) i was aiming for a family attraction. the whole area needs to be re themed (except where goofy and dumbo is) because in this day and age there is much more that could be done (If Walt thought it was tacky and did not want it for disneyland why should it be built)

They already had plans for pixie hollow back where the tents are now. That plan was axed along with the meet and greets to fund the Seven Dwarves Mine Train. Seriously people on this board who complain about Story Book Circus are being rediculous. We are getting a huge new area that will eventually hold two awesome rides, but that nots enough for you is it? I have faith that SBC will be themed very well. Toontown had one ride and was an area primarily for children. SBC will have two rides and will still be an area prmarily for children. Nobody has comfirmed that there will be carnival games anyway, it is just speculation based on the concept art. In my mind a circus theme trumps a county fair theme any day. Bottom line= either we get SBC with pixie hollow and waste of money meet and greets, or we get SBC and Seven Dwarves mine train. I will take the second choice all day long.

 

[Tom]

They already had plans for pixie hollow back where the tents are now. That plan was axed along with the meet and greets to fund the Seven Dwarves Mine Train. Seriously people on this board who complain about Story Book Circus are being rediculous. We are getting a huge new area that will eventually hold two awesome rides, but that nots enough for you is it? I have faith that SBC will be themed very well. Toontown had one ride and was an area primarily for children. SBC will have two rides and will still be an area prmarily for children. Nobody has comfirmed that there will be carnival games anyway, it is just speculation based on the concept art. In my mind a circus theme trumps a county fair theme any day. Bottom line= either we get SBC with pixie hollow and waste of money meet and greets, or we get SBC and Seven Dwarves mine train. I will take the second choice all day long.

Yes, and at least this circus theme will be based on something real (aka Casey Jr, Dumbo), unlike the county fair which was based on nothing.

 

[jmick71]

Walt didn't think circuses were inherently tacky, and he actually built quite a lavish circus at Disneyland in 1956. He also hosted a circus wagon parade down Main Street USA to help celebrate it. It failed not because it wasn't a good circus, but because the circus theme didn't hold up well to the rest of Disneyland. People wanted to see Disneyland, not a circus that also comes to their town every year anyway.

Walt shut down Disneyland's circus by 1957 and moved on to bigger ideas for his park.

EXACTLY it was shut down (they tried it once why should they try it again)
and the circus was an actual circus not a land. also the circus was home to the famous original Mouseketeers (thats why it was so popular?) and still to today circus theme didn't hold up well to the rest of Magic Kingdom. and People wanted to see the MK, not a circus that also comes to their town every year

 

[jmick71]

Yes we do.

In TDOs eyes why spend even more money when the masses will come anyway to ride Mermaid?

But they could easily postponed SBC until after the rest of FL is completed then after a year or two (when they have more funding) they build a new mini land complete with M&G and an attraction that would rival little mermaid This would leave MK with two spike of excitement and attendance

 

[jmick71]

They already had plans for pixie hollow back where the tents are now. That plan was axed along with the meet and greets to fund the Seven Dwarves Mine Train.....

Pixie hollow was axed because they needed the boy demographic to get excited about this two( notice a change of two princes M&G to a gender neutral coaster an getting rid of pixie hollow to a gender neutral area) also the could have made SBC better by theming it differently(neverland especially with the premiere of jake and the neverland pirates, not saying to put a jake attraction just maybe a M&G in NL would still appeal to both boys and girls) and there will still be M&G at SBC So not much change to the area where TT was still same attractions just a crummy circus theme. Disney Should just change the them to make it 100% better. SBC is fine for now as a temporary land just hopes in the future to have a new and elaborate theme (NL)

 

[MUTZIE77]

Pixie hollow was axed because they needed the boy demographic to get excited about this two( notice a change of two princes M&G to a gender neutral coaster an getting rid of pixie hollow to a gender neutral area) also the could have made SBC better by theming it differently(neverland especially with the premiere of jake and the neverland pirates, not saying to put a jake attraction just maybe a M&G in NL would still appeal to both boys and girls) and there will still be M&G at SBC So not much change to the area where TT was still same attractions just a crummy circus theme. Disney Should just change the them to make it 100% better. SBC is fine for now as a temporary land just hopes in the future to have a new and elaborate theme (NL)

Yes like I said, they axed Pixie hollow and used the money for it and the meet and greets, and are now building the Mine Train. Since you are complaining about theming, where would Dueling Dumbos fit in Neverland, Wonderland, or pixie hollow?

 

[Enchantâmes]

Wow
Does nobody understand what i am saying
they can keep the meet and greets and the families with children stuff that SBC has (except the games) And just re theme it. i am also saying that there is enough room to build a new attraction (Never said coaster and i never said big thrill) i was aiming for a family attraction. the whole area needs to be re themed (except where goofy and dumbo is) because in this day and age there is much more that could be done (If Walt thought it was tacky and did not want it for disneyland why should it be built)

 

[jmick71]

Yes like I said, they axed Pixie hollow and used the money for it and the meet and greets, and are now building the Mine Train. Since you are complaining about theming, where would Dueling Dumbos fit in Neverland, Wonderland, or pixie hollow?

first of all i said SBC would stay for dumbo and Goofy at the very beginning of the post
also what M&G r u talking about there is still the same amount of M&G, pixie hollow was also supposed to be a M&G
i said nothing about bringing pixie hollow back and NL/WL would go where the tents are with show building behind LM and next to the new retention pond

 

[jmick71]

thanks?:shrug:

 

[MUTZIE77]

first of all i said SBC would stay for dumbo and Goofy at the very beginning of the post
also what M&G r u talking about there is still the same amount of M&G, pixie hollow was also supposed to be a M&G
i said nothing about bringing pixie hollow back and NL/WL would go where the tents are with show building behind LM and next to the new retention pond

I am talking about the M&G's for cinderella and aurora that got canned. Also the M&G's from toontown are all moving to other parts of the park.

 

[lazyboy97o]

EXACTLY it was shut down (they tried it once why should they try it again)
and the circus was an actual circus not a land. also the circus was home to the famous original Mouseketeers (thats why it was so popular?) and still to today circus theme didn't hold up well to the rest of Magic Kingdom. and People wanted to see the MK, not a circus that also comes to their town every year

It was also attached to Holidayland, which had its own problems caused by the serving of alcohol. This is also not the first time since then that a circus land has been proposed, Dumbo's Cirusland was proposed in the 1970s to be built alongside Discovery Bay.

Frankly I think your idea of trying to force Wonderland or Neverland onto the existing infrastructure would be even worse.

 

[Enchantâmes]

Ugh all this whining...

 

[Scuttle]

Am I missing something here? Why is Circusland being beat down when not a single person that is complaining really knows what it will be like when it is finally complete?



There is some room to the West. They could also easily move the access road to Main St west side to make some more room behind JC and the tree house.

Don't forget the cast lot behind Main St East side. There could be a lot done with this area, but I doubt management would give up their parking spots for some silly park expansion.

Can we get a count for trivia or anything? How good would that be? How many retention ponds are on WDW property.