Story Book Circus?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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jmick71

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If they're actually replacing the two big tents with new tents (as people have implied), they won't be any more temporary than they were the first time. One will continue to be a giant gift shop, and the other a meet-n-greet.

The original tents were to be "temporary" they were not supposed to be up this long that is why (if it is true) they need to replace them. and being that they were to be temporary they should be. disney needs to think of a new theme besides Tents ( but once again SBC is fine for goofy and dumbo ONLY)
 
personally i think MK needed more focus on areas like Adventure Land (excluding Jungle cruise and Pirates) or areas like tomorrowland(excluding ISW TTA Space Mountain and Buzz)not toontown which was probably the 2nd most populated area at mid day in MK
 

Ignohippo

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Quite simply, nothing about this concept is up to Disney standards. It's a cheap way for them to use the already allocated budget elsewhere, rather than actually going back and getting the budget increased. While the main area of FL got plussed, this area is a serious downgrade.

While the circus mini-land idea goes all the way back to Walt's original plans for Disneyland, it wasn't good enough of a concept for Walt back then (when circuses were much more popular than they are today) and it's even less appealing today. The sad thing is, they could've kept M&M's houses, created a toontown around them (with the Dumbo spinners) for a relatively inexpensive amount. They could've done it with some great M&Gs, and then added a ride or two later in the area as the budget would allow. It would've appealed to the whole family, and I don't think anyone would have a problem with it.

I imagine this is one of those things they're going to try to get away with and see if it's successful. I think they're hope is that this will be a success, but I think their original intention was for this area to be temporary. Unfortunately, temporary probably means 10+ years.
 

jmick71

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personally i think MK needed more focus on areas like Adventure Land (excluding Jungle cruise and Pirates) or areas like tomorrowland(excluding ISW TTA Space Mountain and Buzz)not toontown which was probably the 2nd most populated area at mid day in MK

I agree with you 150% :sohappy:
but there is little to no room There would need to be allot of playing around with ideas
 

jmick71

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Quite simply, nothing about this concept is up to Disney standards. It's a cheap way for them to use the already allocated budget elsewhere...Walt's original plans for Disneyland, it wasn't good enough of a concept for Walt back then...temporary probably means 10+ years.
Finally somebody understands what i am trying to say:sohappy:
But soo said that temporary (in disney's mind ) is 10 years :(
 

Tom

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But they are not building any new buildings (maybe just replacing some) the only building near that area is dumbo and also there is only one other one in near MK (the one right next to it) so why would this be the only area that needs it????

:shrug:

Beauty and the Beast, all the new pavement, the new canal, Seven Dwarfs and other structures are covering more earth than was covered before. They actually added a retention pond to the north, and are enlarging the one to the east. Lots of water being displaced, especially on swampland.

The original tents were to be "temporary" they were not supposed to be up this long that is why (if it is true) they need to replace them. and being that they were to be temporary they should be. disney needs to think of a new theme besides Tents ( but once again SBC is fine for goofy and dumbo ONLY)

I understand, and I agree.
 

Tom

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HOW??????????:shrug:
it is below standard

What are you comparing it to? You haven't seen the plans, and I think they'll put significantly more effort into this mini-land than they did to Birthday Land.

Just because it's not offering new rides and shows doesn't make it a sub-par land. It's sole purpose is to provide a place specifically for little kids to have fun (with their families, of course).

A splash pad, character meet-n-greet, carnival games, mini coaster, dumbo and a fun redesigned train station all make what I believe will be a nice area for the kiddies. I guarantee it will look a lot nicer (and more intentional) than Toontown ever did.

Until we see actual renderings or models (or the real thing), none of us can say it doesn't live up to any certain standard.
 

jmick71

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Beauty and the Beast, all the new pavement, the new canal, Seven Dwarfs and other structures are covering more earth than was covered before. They actually added a retention pond to the north, and are enlarging the one to the east. Lots of water being displaced, especially on swampland.

Is the one in the north the space they are clearing above where b&b are going to be on google earth
and are you 100% shore that this is happening and if so how do you know (what is your source)?
and why is this the only areas with a retention pond?
can you move retention ponds?
(im asking so many questions just so i know how much space will be left in mk for future attractions)
 

jmick71

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What are you comparing it to? You haven't seen the plans, and I think they'll put significantly more effort into this mini-land than they did to Birthday Land.

Just because it's not offering new rides and shows doesn't make it a sub-par land. It's sole purpose is to provide a place specifically for little kids to have fun (with their families, of course).

A splash pad, character meet-n-greet, carnival games, mini coaster, dumbo and a fun redesigned train station all make what I believe will be a nice area for the kiddies. I guarantee it will look a lot nicer (and more intentional) than Toontown ever did.

Until we see actual renderings or models (or the real thing), none of us can say it doesn't live up to any certain standard.
I just think thy could pick another theme for this area (neverland? wonderland?) i think this could be done much better with ought the cheesiness of the tents( tents=lack of imagination/care) it was not good enough for walt or he would have built it in disneyland
 

Krack

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A splash pad, character meet-n-greet, carnival games, mini coaster, dumbo and a fun redesigned train station all make what I believe will be a nice area for the kiddies. I guarantee it will look a lot nicer (and more intentional) than Toontown ever did.

Are carnival games confirmed for this area? If so, you just depressed the hell out of me.
 

lazyboy97o

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Is the one in the north the space they are clearing above where b&b are going to be on google earth
and are you 100% shore that this is happening and if so how do you know (what is your source)?
and why is this the only areas with a retention pond?
can you move retention ponds?
(im asking so many questions just so i know how much space will be left in mk for future attractions)
I believe the retention ponds are already finished. They are not the only areas with retention ponds they are all over Walt Disney World and anywhere else in the country and world where modern building is taking place. They are typically hidden so that is why you do not usually notice them. Excepting some of the very early work that was built very straight, the vast majority of the drainage canals and retention ponds within the Reedy Creek Improvement District are designed to look like natural features.
 

Crazy Harry

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I just think thy could pick another theme for this area (neverland? wonderland?) i think this could be done much better with ought the cheesiness of the tents( tents=lack of imagination/care) it was not good enough for walt or he would have built it in disneyland

How does the theme alone predict the degree of quality in which it is executed? An area themed to Wonderland or Neverland could just be a bunch of trees if executed poorly just like a Circus land could just be a bunch of tents.
 

Captain Neo

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At Disneyland the part of Fantasyland where Dumbo, the canal boats, and Casey Jr. are located is called "Storybook land" so I think this is a play on that.
 

Tom

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Is the one in the north the space they are clearing above where b&b are going to be on google earth
and are you 100% shore that this is happening and if so how do you know (what is your source)?
and why is this the only areas with a retention pond?
can you move retention ponds?
(im asking so many questions just so i know how much space will be left in mk for future attractions)

Yes, there is a new pond north of Beauty and the Beast (the dirt area north of the park on Google), and they're significantly enlarging the one across the tracks from the Toontown train station (the mossy green rectangle to the right and up a bit from the station). It's already big, and they're making it huge.

I'm 100% sure. I do this stuff for a living. My sources....aren't important, but others will back me up.

You can move retention ponds, but only after significant amounts of paperwork and filing with the local drainage board. Water management is EXTREMELY important at WDW, hence the miles of canals all over property.

There are retention ponds all over property. Just around the MK, there's one up by the cooling towers, a huge one alongside Space Mountain, a little one north of the Contemporary, and of course, Seven Seas Lagoon and Bay Lake (which collect a significant amount of storm water runoff). Plus the canals and several other ponds and lakes on property.

As for expanding the park, it's pretty much landlocked to the north after this expansion. There will be a nice plot between Space Mountain and the enlarged pond to the east.

People say they could move the pond to the south of Space Mountain, but I strongly disagree.

To the west, they're landlocked unless they relocate all of their backstage facilities. They could get rid of the Rivers of America and free up a huge piece of land in that corner of the park, but I don't foresee that happening. It's more likely that they'd convert Tom Sawyer Island into something more entertaining and accessible.
 
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