MK Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

[Next Big Thing]

Space Mountain is a Magic Kingdom original.

Would you move the Matterhorn out of Disneyland?

He wants to move half of MK over to Epcot... don't bother.

 

[Mike S]

He wants to move half of MK over to Epcot... don't bother.

Carousel of Progress in Epcot isn't a bad idea though.

 

[Bocabear]

Carousel of Progress in Epcot isn't a bad idea though.

You know, I am a purist, but have to agree... it would actually fit beautifully...and as EPCOT is really a glorified World's Fair, it really would be a natural place for it to be...though I doubt they would ever spend the money to move it.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Well, when a ride is in need of a huge, major refurb, that's the time to think about building something bigger, newer, and better in the right thematic place.

Disney has completely removed rides in favor of a brand new one. This is replacing the old ride with a new version in a different place. Then the place where the ride used to be can get something newer and better and more thematically fitting.

I would love to see a new IaSW in Epcot with the puppets of Tokyo's Sinbad in a much larger ride in Epcot. And go ahead and stick in IP Easter Eggs like at DL.

 

[Mike S]

You know, I am a purist, but have to agree... it would actually fit beautifully...and as EPCOT is really a glorified World's Fair, it really would be a natural place for it to be...though I doubt they would ever spend the money to move it.

My dream is for a moved CoP to share a pavilion with a new Horizons with CoP looking towards the past and Horizons towards the future.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Space Mountain Thematically fitting better than in Tomorrowland? Going to have to disagree with you on that one.

I was more thinking of IaSW and CoP.

 

[rle4lunch]

I'd like to see original, non IP attractions but that won't happen either.

Future non-IP attraction, 'Bob and Mike get a Sammich'. Maxpass In-App purchase req.

Attraction details: Enter a world of corporate trailblazers of yesterday, today and tomorrow. Feel the rush of excitement as you, a new unpaid intern get summoned to an exclusive board room meeting where you'll be a literal fly on the wall, listening to Disney elites talk secretive 'blue-sky' plans. All of a sudden, you're thrust into the action as the board members run over their conference call times forcing them to 'order in'. All eyes are on you as you're given 48 various lunch orders at the same time. It's your job to rank the orders in precedence to the hierarchy of the board members, making sure you don't forget the mango chutney! Luckily, you're not alone. You and your fellow interns have advanced tablet devices, allowing you to choose the right condiments for each person. But you'll need to hurry! Just as you think you're in the clear, an powerful unexpected 6.7 magnitude earthquake hits, shaking the room and threatening to spill your sammich platters! Confused and hungry corporate barons look to you, their lives, and more importantly, their hunger pangs, are in your hands. Good luck!

 

[RSoxNo1]

Space Mountain is a Magic Kingdom original.

Would you move the Matterhorn out of Disneyland?

Yes... to a Swiss pavilion in Epcot.

 

[RSoxNo1]

True - bad idea. Moving Space (and even moving Small World - your other passion) are good in a fantasy world of truly limitless spending, but why spend hundreds of million for a net sum gain of nothing? - Other than more cohesive theme.

Space needs a deep refurb, that's it.

The it's a small world move is two fold, it opens up a lot more land in a bottleneck area of the park. Admittedly that one makes a lot more sense than Space Mountain, but I stand by both.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Space mountain as it stands today is still a great ride. Does it need a massive refurb new cars and a new track? Yes. Does it need to be rebranded? No. Last week when I was down there, the wait times varied anywhere between 40-90 minutes. Give it some TLC, get rid of the breaks before the last drop they added a few years back, and bring it back to being the best Space Mountain in all of the parks.

Space Mountain as it stands today is a worse ride than when it got a subpar refurbishment 7-8 years ago. I enjoy the ride, but that enjoyment is hampered because it's the worst version of what it could be.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, Space Mountain and Peter Pan's Flight are far and away the most overrated attractions in Walt Disney World. My argument above relocating Space Mountain is fueled largely be the simple understanding that the entire ride needs to be torn down and replaced with a new version. While that can happen in Tomorrowland, I've also called for a distinction between the two lands (Tomorrowland and Future World). My distinction (and my distinction only) would have Space Mountain be more appropriately placed in Epcot. If Disney creates a different way to properly differentiate between Tomorrowland and Future World and Space Mountain fits in Tomorrowland I would still want it to be rebuilt from the ground up.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Intellectual property is not a theme or story-based distinction.

No, but it's part of it. It's also far clearer than anything currently being done. The futuristic view from Disney's intellectual properties is just as cohesive as Fantasyland. Similarly a "celebration of discovery and exploration" is more in line with what I think Future World (or as I want to call it, Discovery Expo) should be.

Tomorrowland and Future World in the same resort has been a problem for a while, and one I've been complaining about for close to a decade. Both areas are in need of change, so now is as good a time as any to make a distinction and give a direction to both areas. I've offered my opinion and very few other people have offered their's. By no means am I so jaded to think that my suggestion is the only way to solve the problem, but people (not necessarily you) aren't even willing to accept that there is a problem. That's the greater issue here. There's a problem with these two lands and they both need to be fixed.

 

[RSoxNo1]

But it is still an original.

I don't think you know what that word means.

 

[RSoxNo1]

It's badly in need of having done to it what Universal did to The Hulk.

The attraction could be one of the worlds best. It has so much potential for relatively little required outlay.

Have you been on The Hulk since they retracked it? Aside from the lighting package it's not much better.

 

[marni1971]

Have you been on The Hulk since they retracked it? Aside from the lighting package it's not much better.

I have.

 

[DznyRktekt]

I don't think you know what that word means.

School me oh wise one.

 

[RSoxNo1]

He wants to move half of MK over to Epcot... don't bother.

This started with it's a small world. I wasn't the first to suggest it, I've just been the loudest voice about it. The other move that others championed before me was Carousel of Progress. It seems I have some support there.

Carousel of Progress in Epcot isn't a bad idea though.

You know, I am a purist, but have to agree... it would actually fit beautifully...and as EPCOT is really a glorified World's Fair, it really would be a natural place for it to be...though I doubt they would ever spend the money to move it.

This brings me to Space Mountain. As I've said above, I think the entire track needs to be rebuilt, effects need to be improved, etc. It feels every bit like a 42 year old roller coaster. My suggestion to relocate it assumes two things:

• It needs to be rebuilt from the ground up.
• A distinction is made between Future World and Tomorrowland that would make non-IP space themed attractions a better fit for Epcot

The second bullet point is what people aren't grasping. As of right now, Space Mountain is appropriate in the disjointed mess that is called Tomorrowland because the theme is anything loosely tied to the future. In fact, it and Astro Orbiter are probably the only two attractions that truly fit that theme. Having said that, I also don't think either would be out of place in today's Epcot either. We're just of the opinion that because something has always been one way that it's the correct way. These predispositions inhibit our ability to think beyond what we've already accepted as fact. Unfortunately, Disney is taking this lesson and using it as a way to be more liberal with their use of intellectual property in the park.

This brings me to fixing Epcot. Intellectual property is a four letter word on these forums, but again we don't fully understand it. It's so often tied to a movie, book or television show that we fail to realize that attractions are also intellectual property. When Hong Kong Disneyland expanded, they didn't just add a boat ride to Fantasyland, they added "it's a small world".

There are many of us on here that want Epcot to be free of movie based intellectual properties and part of my suggestions help accomplish that. My suggestion was Discovery Expo instead of Future World and part of the was an expanded Space Pavilion. With that, a brand new Space Mountain as the true modern day E-ticket it should be instead of the 42 year old Yesterdayland attraction it is today. I don't want to simply lift up Space Mountain and place it Epcot. I want to see a new Space Mountain attraction built as part of the Space Pavilion in Epcot. I would use the value that Space Mountain has as an intellectual property over the alternative anchor (evidently Guardians of the Galaxy).

Assuming a Guardians attraction is still very much in the works I would much prefer it be placed in Tomorrowland or in a dedicated Marvel area in DHS.

Well, when a ride is in need of a huge, major refurb, that's the time to think about building something bigger, newer, and better in the right thematic place.

Disney has completely removed rides in favor of a brand new one. This is replacing the old ride with a new version in a different place. Then the place where the ride used to be can get something newer and better and more thematically fitting.

I would love to see a new IaSW in Epcot with the puppets of Tokyo's Sinbad in a much larger ride in Epcot. And go ahead and stick in IP Easter Eggs like at DL.

See... this guy gets it. I believe you were the originator of the it's a small world to Epcot suggestion?

 

[RSoxNo1]

I have.

Maybe I had a bad wheel on my train, but I felt it was just as rough.

 

[RSoxNo1]

School me oh wise one.

Original: Present or existing from the beginning.

Neither Space Mountain nor Matterhorn are original attractions. They are classic attractions (subjective) but not original. This isn't semantics, now if you'll excuse me I need to get back to my hare-brained ideas.

 

[marni1971]

Maybe I had a bad wheel on my train, but I felt it was just as rough.

I may have gotten lucky. Though consensus seems to be an improvement. Not Mako smooth but better.

 

[RSoxNo1]

I may have gotten lucky. Though consensus seems to be an improvement. Not Mako smooth but better.

My head was still shaking back and forth. As far as I know, that comes from vibration either with a bad track or bad wheel. I'm also not a fan of the large exposed steel coasters in IoA and Universal anyway (I think they're out of place) so I'm probably not going to be riding it much more in the future regardless.