Mike S
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Hard to do that when we see him alive and moving in shadow form earlier in the ride. You also proceeded to go "too out there" after telling me not to do so, lol.
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Rumor Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath
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jt04
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When referring to FLE 1.0, I always mean the first artwork Steve posted.
Goofyernmost
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Well, just unlike your comparison, my venture beyond the here, was obviously fictional and meant in humor... you were serious. We just all need to lighten up a bit. I will continue to say it... it's a ride in a theme park. No real Yeti's were harmed in this misadventure.
Time_machine
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Batteries and a computer are mounted in every train. They are recharged every cycle using bus bars in the station. The new sleds for Matterhorn Bobsleds were a HUGE design dilemna: how do you fit bench seats, automatic locking system for seatbelts while keeping the weight the same or close to the original? That's where things like padding get cut sadly and why the current Matterhorn sleds are so uncomfortable.
On the aspect of weight, take a look at this:
Those were the original Indiana Jones et le Temple du Peril trains at Disneyland Paris. They had 4 seat per cars and 8 per train total.
Those are the current trains that were added in 2000. Notice something is missing? Padding. You went from sitting on comfortable foam padding in the original to having a hard headrest and two thin strips of foam for "comfort" as you sit on the fiberglass directly. They had to do this as they increased the capacity by having 6 person per car (12 per train) and having to keep the weight as close as possible to the original.
Going back to Space Mountain, there is no way to add the heavy on-board audio system to the existing cars or designing new trains with it that would not greatly increase weight. The current track is in so bad shape they had to install magnetic brakes a few years ago before the big drops to protect the curve and helix at the bottom. Heavier cars would certainly take us to a Disneyland circa 2003 situation.
Thanks for the insight!
I wasn't aware they had to invest in magnetic brakes to slow track wear (if the track has really reached the point where that sort of 'upgrade' is necessary to keep the ride running then I hope TDO is seriously considering a full rebuild). Any idea why the tracks have degraded so quickly? Other Arrow Dev. coasters from the era are still operating with their original track and those weren't shielded from the elements by a building. Did the addition of automatic restraints in the mid-80s(?) really add that much weight to the vehicles?
Has the original proposal ever been shown/leaked?
The Empress Lilly
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I would think the Skyway, even both stations combined, barely made half of that.
There was a long interval between cars (I should count on one of your videos), with most of them transporting two/three persons. 600-900 p/h per station feels a realistic estimate.
Absimilliard
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Only 14 older Arrow coasters still run and out of those, only two (Matterhorn Bobsleds and Gold Rusher at Six Flags Magic Mountain) are located in year round parks. Gold Rusher dates back to 1971 and you can really feel the track gauge has gotten loose and it feels quite old. Matterhorn Bobsleds has received since 2000-2001 regular closures for intensive track work. Plus, in 1978, it received a really good reinforcement job when they moved from single cars to double car trains. I'd say that its in better shape than Florida Space Mountain at this point.
When Disney changed the rockets in 1989 to the lap bar equipped ones in FL, I hope they also worked on the ride structure. Else, the issues may have started that far back... Coasters age and a 42 years run with as little downtime for refurbishment as Space Mountain has received is remarkable. Unfortunately, it is a WDW thing as they tend to defer and not do maintenance on their coasters. Look at Rock n Roller Coaster: the one in FL can barely run 3 trains and the launch system is at the end of its life. Over in Paris, with the same ride that opened 2 years and half later, it was closed most of this year for.... a new launch system. Come on WDW! If Paris and its financial mess can afford to do that, what's your excuse?
Sadly, Expedition Everest is quickly going down the path of deferred maintenance as well...
cheezbat
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Debatable sure...but honestly if you listen to both and you find MKs to be better, either you like techno synth music or you're deaf lol. Michael Giacchino's track for DL is so epic and fun. Almost every time I ride Space Mtn at MK I'll put my earphones on and play his soundtrack on the ride. (Major plus to DL...the ride is about 30 seconds longer!)
Haymarket2008
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Or I just prefer the atmospheric, haunting and brilliantly composed score written by the man who geniusly also wrote Horizons. Maybe you are referring to onboard audio. I'm referring to the entire queue and set up of the ride.
Yep.
It was discussed waaay back. Longer coaster plus Pixie Hollow where the tents still are.
ToTBellHop
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Better than dreadful can still be unacceptable.
The Empress Lilly
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I wonder how Stitch would've been received had it been built as an original attraction, instead of as a replacement for Alien Encounter. Perhaps opinion might have been milder.
Then again, from what I understand Stitch receives low customer satisfaction results from the audience at large, may of whom likely have little idea of what was there before.
jt04
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That s a huge factor and people know there is a bit of cynical condensation behind its inclusion. Same with Tiki UNM. But I digress.
Stitch just does not resonate with the MK. That is also a factor. Just as Monsters does not fit Tomorrowland.
SGE has consistently and for quite a time now scored the lowest guest satisfaction of any attraction on property.
It just didn't work for the guest.
Mike S
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So you do have a line where things won't fit.
Goofyernmost
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I still don't understand the uproar about the items in Tomorrowland. Let's look at the beginning. We have Flight to the Moon, Already done, follow closely by Journey to Mars, OK futuristic. Circle Vision 360, America the Beautiful, nothing to do with tomorrow at all. If we had wings/ Delta Dreamflight all current travel and destinations. CoP all history with a small, but, insignificant hint to the future at the end. Skyway to Fantasyland... nothing to to with the future. Grand Prix racers, just the future of children. Many of these weren't there on opening day and were added over the first 10 years including Space Mountain which hinted of tomorrow, but, only hinted. After that the Tomorrowland mantra should have been renamed Sci Fi land. The people mover was a genuine attempt to show what we could have in the future and it did happen in many places. That didn't show up until 1975 or so. Sci Fi is what we got Timekeeper was again history and only the time travel concept was anything at all to do with the future. Buzz, Alien Encounter (the much whined about missing attraction as well as Stitch) and Monsters, Inc. is all Sci Fi. Basically it never had much to do with Tomorrow. Which is why I so many times question all this crap about theming. It is themed to something and only our own imaginations either accept or question the accuracy. Which also explains why I put so little attention as to the location of stuff. If it's good and I enjoy it, I don't care even a little where they put it. If I like it, I'll find it.
jt04
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Especially the MK. I was of that mindset with Epcot but had an epiphany one day. The globe has become World Showcase and Future World Pavilions are ubiquitous. Epcot Center set a vision and succeeded. Time for a new vision. Time for a reimagining.
And if IPs help facilitate it, I am fine with that.
Calm Down Rover
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As others have said before, I think it's a fusion of unpleasant special effects (yes, other attractions have used smell effects, but that chili dog scent LINGERS like nothing else), its focus on Stitch before the events of the film made him more endearing, and generally unfunny jokes. And since it recycles elements specifically tailored for a horror experience (long periods of darkness, suffocating restraints) it doesn't appeal to many young kids either. Though I personally think there are worse attractions on a technical level (ex: The Nemo seacab overlay), Stitch's Great Escape is just... Uniquely icky.
DznyRktekt
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Theme can enhance the experience and aid in the enjoyment of environment, at least for those who notice it.