Rumor Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

EagleScout610

EagleScout610

This time of year I become rather Grinchy
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Just thought of this idea. Now that Stitch has closed , move the chili-dog smell to the Splash Mountain dip-drop, time it to go off for random logs and place assorted bean cans around the tree riders pass. That's how they'd keep Stitch Alive.
 
rle4lunch

rle4lunch

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geekza said:
Not me. I used to love his films, but I haven't really loved any since maybe Big Fish. I'm just not that interested in a Dumbo movie where so much emphasis is put on human characters.
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Don't get me wrong, the Alice in Wonderland and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory movies SUCKED, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Disney's new algorithm that they've hit with their live action remakes. Most have been pretty solid, if not really good.
 
geekza

geekza

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rle4lunch said:
Don't get me wrong, the Alice in Wonderland and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory movies SUCKED, but I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to Disney's new algorithm that they've hit with their live action remakes. Most have been pretty solid, if not really good.
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I don't even find them solid, sadly. I'm more on board for the ones that are truly different interpretations of the source material or look at the characters from a different point of view or tell a different story entirely with them, but the ones that have been simply fairly-slavish remakes of the animated films are a waste of money that could have been spent on original films. Honestly, the fact that they only exist to be product, rather than for a creative or artistic reason, is enough to make me against them. They'll make money, because most people could give a rat's patootie about film as Art, but they're forgettable and disposable. I don't believe a single one of them will stand the test of time. Heck, who even talks about any of the past ones aside from mentioning that they exist and "were okay." It's another sign of the current Disney corporation. Make a quick buck and move on.

Enjoyment of films is subjective, so I don't belittle anyone who likes them. I just feel like they are soulless and will have no cultural impact like their original, animated versions have. I long for a day when Disney returns to creating, rather than recreating. Their recent animated output has been pretty great, as has Pixar's, so there's still that. (Ooh, I'm going to catch heck for this next part.) I think much of their success has had to do with the guiding hand of John Lasseter, though. Putting aside his personal failings, he was a tremendous creative force who was instrumental in the renaissance of animation that we've experienced since Pixar hit the scene. You can have the most talented people in the world, but they will falter without a strong and talented leader. Look what happened at Disney once Walt died. Over the next decade, much of the talent pool remained the same, but without their leader, the well-oiled machine that had produced classics fell apart. I really hope that the new leadership at both Disney Animation and Pixar can prove to be great leaders, as well, and take both organizations to even greater heights, but it's far from a given that they will. These next few years, once we start seeing films on which Lasseter had no input, will be instructive.
 
rle4lunch

rle4lunch

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geekza said:
I don't even find them solid, sadly. I'm more on board for the ones that are truly different interpretations of the source material or look at the characters from a different point of view or tell a different story entirely with them, but the ones that have been simply fairly-slavish remakes of the animated films are a waste of money that could have been spent on original films. Honestly, the fact that they only exist to be product, rather than for a creative or artistic reason, is enough to make me against them. They'll make money, because most people could give a rat's patootie about film as Art, but they're forgettable and disposable. I don't believe a single one of them will stand the test of time. Heck, who even talks about any of the past ones aside from mentioning that they exist and "were okay." It's another sign of the current Disney corporation. Make a quick buck and move on.

Enjoyment of films is subjective, so I don't belittle anyone who likes them. I just feel like they are soulless and will have no cultural impact like their original, animated versions have. I long for a day when Disney returns to creating, rather than recreating. Their recent animated output has been pretty great, as has Pixar's, so there's still that. (Ooh, I'm going to catch heck for this one.) I think much of their success has had to do with the guiding hand of John Lasseter, though. Putting aside his personal failings, he was a tremendous creative force who was instrumental in the renaissance of animation that we've experienced since Pixar hit the scene. You can have the most talented people in the world, but they will falter without a strong and talented leader. Look what happened at Disney once Walt died. Over the next decade, much of the talent pool remained the same, but without their leader, the well-oiled machine that had produced classics fell apart. I really hope that the new leadership at both Disney Animation and Pixar can prove to be great leaders, as well, and take both organizations to even greater heights, but it's far from a given that they will. These next few years, once we start seeing films on which Lasseter had no input, will be instructive.
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I think that Disney, and most film companies in general, aren't looking to continually pump out Citizen Kane esqe fare. There's just too much media of all flavors in the tv/film marketplace, too many offerings. We have too much 'entertainment' at our fingertips. Our lives are completely saturated with it to the point that its scary. Disney, along with everyone else (except the artsy fartsy "independent" folks making movies) are producing things that will create instant ROI, not because they want to, but because they have to in order to stay in business. This seems ridiculous for TWDC, but it seems to be ringing true with them too.

I'm not sure with the media landscape will change, but I don't foresee it happening anytime soon. In the meantime, you'll see startups merging with established names, established names going out of business, established names merging with other established names, making mega companies (that are still vulnerable).

I don't belittle Disney for going for the easy buck on this stuff. The monies generated from them boost the company overall and allow the company to focus money on other areas, like their theme parks...
 
geekza

geekza

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rle4lunch said:
I don't belittle Disney for going for the easy buck on this stuff. The monies generated from them boost the company overall and allow the company to focus money on other areas, like their theme parks...
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That they have shown in recent years to also be filling with ways to make a quick buck, rather than creating meaningful experiences. I don't dispute anything you said. There absolutely has to be a way to create "easy money" for large companies to continue operation. With that said, there has to be a balance. Disney doesn't seem interested in any kind of financial risk in order to foster artistic creativity. They can only cannibalize their own past and the creations of others for so long before they run out of material. Right now, they're a snake eating its own tail. The failure to give any thought to the long-term is a road to stagnation and irrelevancy.
 
rle4lunch

rle4lunch

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geekza said:
That they have shown in recent years to also be filling with ways to make a quick buck, rather than creating meaningful experiences. I don't dispute anything you said. There absolutely has to be a way to create "easy money" for large companies to continue operation. With that said, there has to be a balance. Disney doesn't seem interested in any kind of financial risk in order to foster artistic creativity. They can only cannibalize their own past and the creations of others for so long before they run out of material. Right now, they're a snake eating its own tail. The failure to give any thought to the long-term is a road to stagnation and irrelevancy.
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Agreed. I do miss the innovation of the company. The wonderment that I had when I was a kid with what they produced was equal in my mind to magic. There's glimpses of greatness in some of their new stuff, but it's never fully conceptualized.
 

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