WDWTank
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What’s the old guard?
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Rumor Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath
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WDWTank
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EricsBiscuit
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A group of Imagineers who were with WDI when it was WED and balked at the idea of an attraction based off of something as scary as Alien in the MK. I agree with them.What’s the old guard?
EricsBiscuit
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If guests had to pull their own restraints down, then a CM would have to check to make sure all the restraints were low enough, making loading much longer.Dude, that’s GENIUS!
In theory, guest pulls harness down. Harness auto-adjusts. The likelihood of their being guests not following the video monitors or flashing lights or "parental unit" reminding them to harness should be relatively low. Low enough for a CM to check the few holdouts, and in a short enough time to not delay the show substantially or at all. Knowing who to harness (or booster) would be as simple as a "flashing" or "lit-up" seat calling attention to a CM. A video monitor (as CCTV) could also "kindly" remind guests to harness without the need for CM to check in the first place.
I'd say Imagineering hit it's peak in the Eisner era and slowly went down as more and more IP entered the parks. There's definitely a parallel between Eisner and Iger. The imagineers of yesteryear weren't as* afraid to stand up to Mouse Corp. They were the backbone of Imagineering and they showed some spine when needed. Today's Imagineers, once the masters and mentors left (although I hate to generalize) are afraid to push the envelope (partially because they make too much $ -- limitations breed creativity) and because they're generally replaceable. When the old guard left it was fend for yourself but go with the flow. They became a bunch of yes men and as$ kissers. Creativity has somewhat suffered.
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EricsBiscuit
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I disagree with your take on today's WDI. From my perspective Walt created a very special creative culture with staying power in the institution even after his death. I think WDI is doing a great job creating new attractions for the most part. We haven't had a real dud in a looong time.
There's plenty of duds, IMO. NRJ. The Little Mermaid Ride. Monster Laugh Floor. Dinorama. Toy Story Playland (too soon!? lol) Subtractive "Plussing" everywhere. That HM queue! Chickens of the Caribbean... to name a few.
I don't agree that Imagineering is doing a great job. Just OK. I don't agree that what they do is even creative, not when what's being done is just obvious carbon copy of a film or rides that are pretty typical themepark fare, IMO. (Grossly Generalized but still) Imagineering isn't nearly as good as it could be or should be. And we're still waiting for a Stitch replacement! An attraction that closed "seasonally" because it too was a dud. Here's hoping it's replacement is better.
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MagicRat
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While I typically hold my posts to beer at the MK and lazy people on motorized karts, I have to say that the imagineers are caught in a trap between keeping the old nostalgia of Disneyland rides rides and keeping up with today’s technology. When Dinorama was made they were full filling a nitch that dumbo couldn’t satisfy as far as people through the turnstile. That was Aladdin too.
Hence pirates boat ride for Navi, alien saucers, etc. Play the hits. I have seen Springsteen over 50 times. He is the most diverse and inventive people I have seen, but he too gets caught between some say hey play hits and others when is he going to try something new.
This is what being iconic is.
Look they are caught in a trip bag keeping everyone happy and honestly, I think they do a good job.
Hence pirates boat ride for Navi, alien saucers, etc. Play the hits. I have seen Springsteen over 50 times. He is the most diverse and inventive people I have seen, but he too gets caught between some say hey play hits and others when is he going to try something new.
This is what being iconic is.
Look they are caught in a trip bag keeping everyone happy and honestly, I think they do a good job.
WondersOfLife
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NRJ isn't a dud. Not everything has to be an E-Ticket attraction. It's a great ride for families with really little kids, and it's also a good ride for seniors. Little Mermaid is also a great attraction for family with little ones. Monsters Inc Laugh Floor is one of my all time favorites, and my 2 first-timer friends thought it was absolutely hilarious! Toy Story Land is much needed in HS, considering the only thing relevant and entertaining for the 8 year olds and under are Little Mermaid and Disney Jr.
Your ideas of "duds" are not relevant to the majority of people. You should have listed, say, the Up! bird show and Path of the Jedi. THOSE are duds. None of what you have listed are duds. The only argument you can make is NRJ, but only because it's not worth the current wait time. If it was between a 5-30 minute wait daily, it wouldn't get so ridiculed. Nobody stomps on 3 Caballeros for an even less experience.
bcoachable
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Pretty gutsy post... thanks for your opinion. Here’s to the pendulum swinging back! (It always does, right??)
bclane
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IMO they need to just knock down the building and start new. But since that obviously isn’t happening, I say they just install some comfy reclining rumble chairs and a state of the art sound system and project the old Wishes fireworks show on the ceiling. Wishes the 4D experience. Seriously though, I like the alien zoo idea. That could be great!
SuperStretccch
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HMF
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Here we go again.What's wrong with the HM interactive queue? I like it.
https://longforgottenhauntedmansion.blogspot.com/2011/05/decadence.html
EricsBiscuit
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TBH I enjoy TLM, MILF, and the queue line enhancements. And by dud I mean of a larger caliber like SGE or SSL. On the whole I think WDW and the Disney Parks as a whole are better than they ever were.
Donaldfan1934
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That's exactly the problem. By deeming WIR not good enough, they're eliminating one of the few conceivable possibilities left for that space. And while some past attractions may have worked better than SGE, they can't use the format of those either. Unless they really get creative and think completely outside of the box for what can be done with a theater space, I'm afraid it could be stuck in development limbo forever.
That should hardly be a problem for the worlds top creative company. The WIR format had a lot of potential. I don’t know if it was appeal, IP or story that let it down. Technically it was a sound proposal. Aside from the VR version. IMHO.
Donaldfan1934
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I agree that creativity shouldn't be a problem, but I am concerned about their willingness to go there in this instance. I understand that it's necessary for them to take their time on these things, but I'm really trying to wrap my head around why the pressure doesn't seem to be on to redevelop this space since it's in the most annually attended theme park in the world and all.
Sadly you could say that about a lot of things.
So, yes, you are saying that this is your opinion. And we all have our own ideas of what we like and don't like. But 'duds' implies a more objective measure in that it fails for the majority of guests. Alien and SGE were both duds in that they left too many guests unhappy. WDW had surveys that showed it to be the case. So, by that measure, they were duds.
You can always find someone who doesn't like a wildly popular attraction. But that doesn't mean it's a 'dud' to that person. That person simply doesn't like it. WDI didn't misfire with that attraction because a small minority dislikes it.
WDWTank
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Maybe they really want Alien back..