MK Stitch's Great Escape Replacement— Don’t Hold Your Breath

[Mike S]

First thing first: that entire speech was truly amazing. No joke, it tugged at my heart strings. Secondly, you're correct about their being another Disney Decade. It'll start when Pandora: World of Avatar opens, and carry on to Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land and then even on to the massive Epcot refurbishment. A lot of people don't know it, but we are truly standing on the brink of another Disney renaissance. Not just with their theme parks, but also with their movies. Universal's main shtick now is Harry Potter. Unless they start to make new films for Harry Potter, then eventually Universal will lose steam which honestly sucks because I love Universal and I want to see them succeed.

I'd have to imagine this is why they now have Nintendo too. They're pretty much the Disney of video games.

 

[ToTBellHop]

What if we got the thread title changed to Tomorrowland?

 

[RoysCabin]

How many Potter movies did it take to earn as much as one AVATAR movie, again?

James Cameron's inability to finish anything in a timely manner does not negate the success of the film.

Eh, not sure I'd go by that metric. Avatar was the higher grossing movie, yes, but it has had essentially no pop cultural staying power, while Potter includes an array of books, merchandise, and other mediums as well as continuing movies.

Doesn't mean I fault Disney for looking at Avatar's box office numbers and wanting a bit of that action, but I do think they could've predicted back then that, new film or no new film, Avatar was not long for the public's consciousness.

 

[HMF]

I'd have to imagine this is why they now have Nintendo too. They're pretty much the Disney of video games.

As in a once great institution which sold out and lost it's way?

 

[rocketraccoon]

Eh, not sure I'd go by that metric. Avatar was the higher grossing movie, yes, but it has had essentially no pop cultural staying power, while Potter includes an array of books, merchandise, and other mediums as well as continuing movies.

Doesn't mean I fault Disney for looking at Avatar's box office numbers and wanting a bit of that action, but I do think they could've predicted back then that, new film or no new film, Avatar was not long for the public's consciousness.

It'll depend a lot on how well those new rides stand up on their own and how the next movie does. Avatar flat out didn't affect pop culture in any way other than cause a surge in 3D movies, but I guarantee it'll work well to boost Animal Kingdom's popularity for a good long while, especially if far more Avatar movies actually come out.

 

[Cesar R M]

Stitch's Great Escape to operate next week

Has there been any change inside?

 

[Cesar R M]

Global literacy rates are at an all time high. Commercial music is more diverse and varied now than ever before, thanks to online services that allow artists to connect directly with their fans. "The Golden Age was never the current age, Mr. Twain."

Id say the decline of those ultra billonaire music execs that can no longer charge or have the privileges and control of artists like they used to.

Yet the old guard is the one that is always pushing the world back.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Disney's main attention is towards the investors, not the visitors. Why do you think we are getting Pandora: World of Avatar? None of us really asked for it. But the investors saw that it made a tremendous amount of money at the box office. Or i could be wrong and I literally just wasted your time. Either way, it's all about the benjamines.

Hey, I know what you mean. Why I remember the demonstrations that happened and made forced Disney to create things like PoTC, Splash Mtn, 20K, Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Imagination, Horizons, WoM, American Adventure, ToT, RnRC, Everest, just to name a few. Why those folks were threatening violence if they didn't get those attractions. Unlike Avatar that nobody asked for, they just put in because they felt that people might want to experience it. Greedy fools that they are! Wait, I might be confused. Now that I think about it, no one asked for any of those things. Silly me!

 

[bhg469]

As in a once great institution which sold out and lost it's way?

They are a rudder less ship IMO, but their properties are worth so much. Between the Mario characters and every spinoff, you have probably the most recognizable set of faces besides mickey and friends. Its pretty undeniable that it will be a win no matter what.

I cant think of another property that is even close. Now I was a big nintendo fan and had high hopes for the switch but it is all hype, but the consoles success or failure has nothing to do with me absolutely giddy at the thought that I may one day see a Luigi mansion dark ride.

 

[montyz81]

How many Potter movies did it take to earn as much as one AVATAR movie, again?

James Cameron's inability to finish anything in a timely manner does not negate the success of the film.

I don't know you tell me? I don't think it matters at this point. HP is making much more money for Universal then Pandora will for Disney. My original point was that Disney is spending a boat load more money on IPs to make up for their missed opportunity for getting HP into the Disney properties.

 

[PorterRedkey]

Hey, I know what you mean. Why I remember the demonstrations that happened and made forced Disney to create things like PoTC, Splash Mtn, 20K, Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Imagination, Horizons, WoM, American Adventure, ToT, RnRC, Everest, just to name a few. Why those folks were threatening violence if they didn't get those attractions. Unlike Avatar that nobody asked for, they just put in because they felt that people might want to experience it. Greedy fools that they are! Wait, I might be confused. Now that I think about it, no one asked for any of those things. Silly me!

Except for PoTC at WDW. If only the public would have known about the Western River Expedition.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Except for PoTC at WDW. If only the public would have known about the Western River Expedition.

They asked for it to be in WDW, but, it already was in Disneyland, so no they requested a duplicate, but, not the original incarnation. Besides, we really must stop saying that we lost one thing to get the other. They had and still have plenty of room to build anything they want. They just don't want too!

We also need to look at the time in history element. Today it is much easier, and in ways, much more affordable to go clear across the country to see something then it was back then. The belief, at the time, was that if we didn't have one in Florida we wouldn't have a chance to experience it. It still holds true to a lesser degree now then at that time, but, it still isn't possible for many to go across the continent to ride a 15 minute ride.

 

[PorterRedkey]

They asked for it to be in WDW, but, it already was in Disneyland, so no they requested a duplicate, but, not the original incarnation. Besides, we really must stop saying that we lost one thing to get the other. They had and still have plenty of room to build anything they want. They just don't want too!

We also need to look at the time in history element. Today it is much easier, and in ways, much more affordable to go clear across the country to see something then it was back then. The belief, at the time, was that if we didn't have one in Florida we wouldn't have a chance to experience it. It still holds true to a lesser degree now then at that time, but, it still isn't possible for many to go across the continent to ride a 15 minute ride.

You're absolutely correct. I missed the operative word "create".

 

[Matt_Black]

I don't know, you tell me? Is that even relevant? How many books did Cameron make money on? How many people wear navi(sp?) costumes?

For those saying Avatar had no popular culture impact, I would like to point out there's an adult film parody of it.

 

[DDLand]

First thing first: that entire speech was truly amazing. No joke, it tugged at my heart strings. Secondly, you're correct about their being another Disney Decade. It'll start when Pandora: World of Avatar opens, and carry on to Star Wars Land, Toy Story Land and then even on to the massive Epcot refurbishment. A lot of people don't know it, but we are truly standing on the brink of another Disney renaissance. Not just with their theme parks, but also with their movies. Universal's main shtick now is Harry Potter. Unless they start to make new films for Harry Potter, then eventually Universal will lose steam which honestly sucks because I love Universal and I want to see them succeed.

The Disney Decade was grounded in lofty ideals and motives. That theme parks could be a medium to educate and enrich individual lives.

Westcot, Disney Sea, Disney's America, a new behind the scenes movie park, and Disney's Wild Animal Kingdom. Expansions to Epcot that celebrated individual country's achievements.

Obviously there were more lighthearted plans too, but The Disney Decade was defined by some of the most radically ambitious attempts at physical storytelling ever attempted.

Toy Story Land and Star Wars Experience are fun additions, but they don't carry the same ambition or scope. Whatever comes to Epcot will be largely soulless and not in keeping with the past. The idea that Disney theme parks can inform and enlighten is largely a forgotten notion.

There's a decent amount of construction going on, and that's a very good thing. Whatever this period of construction is remembered for, it won't be for incredible boundary pushing ambition. It will be remembered as a time that built IP attractions using the hottest IP of the 2010s.

A recreation of Ellis Island, a massive iconic aquarium, an African Safari, a boat ride through history.

Slinky Roller Coaster, a Millennium Falcon Ride, Frozen Ever After.

Then versus now.

 

[Mike S]

For those saying Avatar had no popular culture impact, I would like to point out there's an adult film parody of it.

or that every movie seems to be 3D these days.

There's that too.

The Disney Decade was grounded in lofty ideals and motives. That theme parks could be a medium to educate and enrich individual lives.

Westcot, Disney Sea, Disney's America, a new behind the scenes movie park, and Disney's Wild Animal Kingdom. Expansions to Epcot that celebrated individual country's achievements.

Obviously there were more lighthearted plans too, but The Disney Decade was defined by some of the most radically ambitious attempts at physical storytelling ever attempted.

Toy Story Land and Star Wars Experience are fun additions, but they don't carry the same ambition or scope. Whatever comes to Epcot will be largely soulless and not in keeping with the past. The idea that Disney theme parks can inform and enlighten is largely a forgotten notion.

There's a decent amount of construction going on, and that's a very good thing. Whatever this period of construction is remembered for, it won't be for incredible boundary pushing ambition. It will be remembered as a time that built IP attractions using the hottest IP of the 2010s.

A recreation of Ellis Island, a massive iconic aquarium, an African Safari, a boat ride through history.

Slinky Roller Coaster, a Millennium Falcon Ride, Frozen Ever After.

Then versus now.

To expand on what you said Disney theme parks aimed for a wider audience than just those who liked Disney movies. They still can and do aim for a wider audience but that's mostly because of what was already built previously.

 

[jaxonp]

So much doom and gloom as always.

 

[LuvtheGoof]

The Disney Decade was grounded in lofty ideals and motives. That theme parks could be a medium to educate and enrich individual lives.

Yup, the Disney decade that gave us
All Star Sports
All Star Movies
All Star Music
Port Orleans Riverside
Port Orleans French Quarter
Coronado Springs
Beach Club
Yacht Club
Wilderness Lodge
Boardwalk Inn

MGM Studios opened with only a few attractions, and those were mostly done on the cheap. AK also opened with only a few attractions, but at least they were better.

Nostalgia is a dirty liar that insists things were better than they seemed.

 

[Prince Thomas]

It's in reference to this.

LOVE THIS!!!!!

 

[Mike S]

Yup, the Disney decade that gave us
All Star Sports
All Star Movies
All Star Music
Port Orleans Riverside
Port Orleans French Quarter
Coronado Springs
Beach Club
Yacht Club
Wilderness Lodge
Boardwalk Inn

MGM Studios opened with only a few attractions, and those were mostly done on the cheap. AK also opened with only a few attractions, but at least they were better.

Nostalgia is a dirty liar that insists things were better than they seemed.

Are you just conveniently leaving out things like Tower of Terror and New Tomorrowland to help your case? What about Typhoon Lagoon and Blizzard Beach?