Stitch’s Great Escape! Official!

MrNonacho

Premium Member
Originally posted by Captain Cab
It's obvious you aren't a fan of the ride, and frankly you could care less of our opinions and feelings.

If you'd read some of my other posts, you'll see that I am a fan of the ride. I will be there later today to see the show one last time. I just fail to see the point of all the complaining about Stitch that has become so common on these forums.

I am not the only person on these forums that feels this way, either.
 

disnyfan89

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Captain Cab
A counter-point would be that Alien Encounter was never designed for kids. The Imagineers were told to make the ride scary, and that's exactly what they did. When Eisner previewed it and told them to make it even scarier, that's exactly what they did. This thing was made to scare adults, and they did a very good job at that.

As for the parents with the scared kids, that can mostly (not every exact case works out this way) be blamed on the parents. It's their responsibility to gather as much information about the attraction as possible before taking their kid through the experience. As for Alien Encounter, there are four main warning areas before the first preshow starts.

First, the name of the attraction is The ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter. A name like that has to make you wonder about the attraction. Second, there are numerous warning signs in the line queue and at the entrance to the attraction. These signs all explain that the show is quite intense and may not be appropriate for small children. Kinda funny how you don't see those signs outside something like the Haunted Mansion (the kid friendly scary ride with a scary name). Third, while waiting outside the main doors outside the building a Cast Member explains on the loud speaker that the attraction is intense, takes place in periods of complete darkness, and may not be appropriate for small children. Finally, the actual cast members who know everything about the ride are standing right there at the entrance. If you have a question or any doubt about the attraction, just go ahead and talk to them! They're not going to lie to you! If parents still ignore those warnings then they cannot blame anybody but themselves if their kid has a bad time on the attraction.

As for making the rides even more kid friendly in the Magic Kingdom, that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. No matter what kids will always want to go to Walt Disney World. They love the rides and will always want to come back for more. It's been that way ever since Disneyland opened its gates back in 1955, and it's not likely going to change anytime in our lifetimes. As long as they can meet and greet the characters and get on their favorite rides in Fantasyland and Adventureland, then for the most part they'll be happy. Sure they'd probably be happier with Stitch instead of Alien Encounter, but no matter what they'll be happy just for being in the Disney parks. How much more kid friendly is a park supposed to get after already adding rides such as Buzz Lightyear, Winnie the Pooh, and the Magic Carpets of Aladdin? The park was already neck deep in kid friendliness before those additions.

The question is, what's wrong with having a thrilling ride or two in the Magic Kingdom? Something besides a roller coaster-type ride. Disney already owns the market for children and families, so why not keep trying to attract more teens and young adults?

Sure Alien Encounter may be a bit outdated and no longer drawing the crowds like it used to, but all it probably needed was a minor update. Some added special effects or a minor change to the storyline or something. Not a total conversion with the cast from the Stitch movies. I know I'm speaking prematurely about the new ride, but it's just devestating to myself and the other fans that Disney is taking a piece of amusement park history and replacing it with a new attraction.


On a side note, if any of you still have one of those "Save Skippy" t-shirts now would be the time to wear it. It won't stop the ride from being removed, but it'll let the managers know how we feel about them replacing attractions (Mr. Toad, Horizons, World of Motion, 20,000 Leagues . . .).


MrNonacho -

You basically told us to "stop whining" because Alien Encounter is going away. It's obvious you aren't a fan of the ride, and frankly you could care less of our opinions and feelings. I'll try to be compassionate when one of your favorite attractions goes away, but I have to warn you that my memory isn't that good.

There is absolutely nothing that any of us could do that would keep Alien Encounter alive and running. Protesting outside the attraction won't work. Writing letters won't work. Making phone calls won't work. Boycotting the parks/company won't work. And finally complaining at City Hall won't work. Absolutely nothing short of Eisner himself will save Alien Encounter in the Magic Kingdom. A version of the ride may some day be resurrected in another Disney park across the globe, but chances are likely it'll never happen. After all, the ride has apparently already failed once, so why should they decide to build it again? The only thing we can do is protest enough so hopefully rides in the future won't meet the same fate as the others.

As for people complaining here in cyberspace, it's just a way of venting our anger and frustration with the company. It's human nature and perfectly normal. If you don't like it go look in another thread. Just don't tell us to "stop whining" when you apparently never gave a d*mn of the ride in the first place.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Note - I'll be away for the weekend, so any responses will be delt with on Monday.

well said :sohappy:
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
My point wasn't that the park needs more kid-friendly attractions; as was pointed out, the park has more than its share.

My point was that an attraction like AE just didn't belong in MK in the first place, and if they were going to leave it there, they simply needed to do more to point out how different it was from other attractions. The only warnings I ever saw were the signs outside (don't recall a CM on a loudspeaker making those points again), which can be easily overlooked/ignored.

I think this is an important enough issue that Disney should devote a page or two in their brochures and other park literature pointing it out. Make a list of attractions which have been known to consistently frighten kiddies and make it prominent enough that it can't be easily overlooked. Designate a few characters to be "spokespeople" for this, kinda like Jiminy Cricket has been before now.

Yes, there will always be (stupid) parents who just drag their kids on anything, but I think it's Disney's responsibility to do everything in their power (without stigmatizing their attractions) to get the word out so less of these situations slip through the cracks.
 

dxwwf3

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Captain Cab
A counter-point would be that Alien Encounter was never designed for kids. The Imagineers were told to make the ride scary, and that's exactly what they did. When Eisner previewed it and told them to make it even scarier, that's exactly what they did. This thing was made to scare adults, and they did a very good job at that.

As for the parents with the scared kids, that can mostly (not every exact case works out this way) be blamed on the parents. It's their responsibility to gather as much information about the attraction as possible before taking their kid through the experience. As for Alien Encounter, there are four main warning areas before the first preshow starts.

First, the name of the attraction is The ExtraTERRORestrial Alien Encounter. A name like that has to make you wonder about the attraction. Second, there are numerous warning signs in the line queue and at the entrance to the attraction. These signs all explain that the show is quite intense and may not be appropriate for small children. Kinda funny how you don't see those signs outside something like the Haunted Mansion (the kid friendly scary ride with a scary name). Third, while waiting outside the main doors outside the building a Cast Member explains on the loud speaker that the attraction is intense, takes place in periods of complete darkness, and may not be appropriate for small children. Finally, the actual cast members who know everything about the ride are standing right there at the entrance. If you have a question or any doubt about the attraction, just go ahead and talk to them! They're not going to lie to you! If parents still ignore those warnings then they cannot blame anybody but themselves if their kid has a bad time on the attraction.

As for making the rides even more kid friendly in the Magic Kingdom, that just doesn't make a whole lot of sense. No matter what kids will always want to go to Walt Disney World. They love the rides and will always want to come back for more. It's been that way ever since Disneyland opened its gates back in 1955, and it's not likely going to change anytime in our lifetimes. As long as they can meet and greet the characters and get on their favorite rides in Fantasyland and Adventureland, then for the most part they'll be happy. Sure they'd probably be happier with Stitch instead of Alien Encounter, but no matter what they'll be happy just for being in the Disney parks. How much more kid friendly is a park supposed to get after already adding rides such as Buzz Lightyear, Winnie the Pooh, and the Magic Carpets of Aladdin? The park was already neck deep in kid friendliness before those additions.

The question is, what's wrong with having a thrilling ride or two in the Magic Kingdom? Something besides a roller coaster-type ride. Disney already owns the market for children and families, so why not keep trying to attract more teens and young adults?

Sure Alien Encounter may be a bit outdated and no longer drawing the crowds like it used to, but all it probably needed was a minor update. Some added special effects or a minor change to the storyline or something. Not a total conversion with the cast from the Stitch movies. I know I'm speaking prematurely about the new ride, but it's just devestating to myself and the other fans that Disney is taking a piece of amusement park history and replacing it with a new attraction.


On a side note, if any of you still have one of those "Save Skippy" t-shirts now would be the time to wear it. It won't stop the ride from being removed, but it'll let the managers know how we feel about them replacing attractions (Mr. Toad, Horizons, World of Motion, 20,000 Leagues . . .).


MrNonacho -

You basically told us to "stop whining" because Alien Encounter is going away. It's obvious you aren't a fan of the ride, and frankly you could care less of our opinions and feelings. I'll try to be compassionate when one of your favorite attractions goes away, but I have to warn you that my memory isn't that good.

There is absolutely nothing that any of us could do that would keep Alien Encounter alive and running. Protesting outside the attraction won't work. Writing letters won't work. Making phone calls won't work. Boycotting the parks/company won't work. And finally complaining at City Hall won't work. Absolutely nothing short of Eisner himself will save Alien Encounter in the Magic Kingdom. A version of the ride may some day be resurrected in another Disney park across the globe, but chances are likely it'll never happen. After all, the ride has apparently already failed once, so why should they decide to build it again? The only thing we can do is protest enough so hopefully rides in the future won't meet the same fate as the others.

As for people complaining here in cyberspace, it's just a way of venting our anger and frustration with the company. It's human nature and perfectly normal. If you don't like it go look in another thread. Just don't tell us to "stop whining" when you apparently never gave a d*mn of the ride in the first place.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

Note - I'll be away for the weekend, so any responses will be delt with on Monday.

The hits just keep on comming! The truth shall set you free and the truth, my friends, is all over this post. :lol: :lol: :lol:

I will NEVER go into the MK again without wearing one of my two Alien Encounter shirts again. Sure it won't do a single thing but I can always show my approval.

Some guests do not care about warnings. You could tell most of them that the stove is hot and they would still touch it. So all I know is Disney has to be careful with SGE. If they even have any bits of scaryness, the complaints that came in about AE will be dwarfed. But if the kids are bored they won't want to see it again. And re-rideablility is the problem AE had with some guests (even though I could see it 12 hours straight...I almost did it on my last trip. I had to stop and eat and go to the restroom so it was more like 10 hours of one day in AE :) ). If SGE doesn't have much re-rideablilty for kids it will fail. It's going to be interesting to see how this attraction works. They could very well have a new Buzz Lightyear (over time now. we all know it will be huge the first year or so) or it could be the next JIYI. We'll just have to wait and see.
 

AndyMagic

Well-Known Member
This is such a sad day. Alien Encounter, one of my personal favorites is no more and will be replaced with yet another character from a film. Don't you just love how originality is getting plowed down to make way for convention. I sure do. :rolleyes:
 

MKCustodial

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by CTXRover
The re-do is to make it "less scary" to the young'ins. I would NOT be surprised if this attraction will use the effects in a "new" way that will NOT require being in the dark for so long. Otherwise, how would just adding Stitch doing the same things as the alien help to make it less frightening for the kids? The complete darkness is what freaks a lot of people out. I imagine Stitch will not have these long periods of darkness. I'm hoping and thinking "the show" will require a lot more visibility of the Stitch animatronic than we ever get of the Alien, hence the quote that Imagineers are developing some of the most "advanced audio-animatronics" ever designed by Imagineering :)

I'll bet with anyone here that we'll be seeing HUNDREDS of crying kids coming out of SGE on its first day of operation, a lot more than what AE usually has. THe kids will see Stitch's face, will drag their parents in, and will be dragging them out in a hurry. Look at the description and the concep art. It'll be AE, but with Stitch. I sure hoe it's successful, because I'mk not crazy to root for an attraction at WDW to fail, but I still say Disney will have even more complaints about it. "How come you have a ride so scary with a character that's supposed to be good?!?!?"
 

SNS

Active Member
Originally posted by MKCustodial
I'll bet with anyone here that we'll be seeing HUNDREDS of crying kids coming out of SGE on its first day of operation, a lot more than what AE usually has. THe kids will see Stitch's face, will drag their parents in, and will be dragging them out in a hurry. Look at the description and the concep art. It'll be AE, but with Stitch. I sure hoe it's successful, because I'mk not crazy to root for an attraction at WDW to fail, but I still say Disney will have even more complaints about it. "How come you have a ride so scary with a character that's supposed to be good?!?!?"

The show will probably toned down the effects (remember how they toned down the train in the Imagination ride & added Figment's voice to it?)
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by MKCustodial
I'll bet with anyone here that we'll be seeing HUNDREDS of crying kids coming out of SGE on its first day of operation, a lot more than what AE usually has. THe kids will see Stitch's face, will drag their parents in, and will be dragging them out in a hurry. Look at the description and the concep art. It'll be AE, but with Stitch. I sure hoe it's successful, because I'mk not crazy to root for an attraction at WDW to fail, but I still say Disney will have even more complaints about it. "How come you have a ride so scary with a character that's supposed to be good?!?!?"

You know, I just read an article that makes me think of reconsidering what I said before about it being "less scary". I think you actually could be right.

I was surprised to hear an Imagineer actually say it will use most of the same technology and effects as AE, but people will find it lighter and more of a comedy than a scare because Stitch is doing it instead of a menacing alien. Now that I think about it, this may work for some kids who were frightened by the Alien itself and thinking that monster was behind them in the dark vs now the kids knowing it is just Stitch who wouldn't harm them. It sounds like it will be very much "like" AE, but with a new storyline and theme. I think I was expecting more in the idea of actually creating a new show, but I'm still excited to see what happens.
 

Legacy

Well-Known Member
Originally Posted By CTXRover-
You know, I just read an article that makes me think of reconsidering what I said before about it being "less scary". I think you actually could be right.

I was surprised to hear an Imagineer actually say it will use most of the same technology and effects as AE, but people will find it lighter and more of a comedy than a scare because Stitch is doing it instead of a menacing alien. Now that I think about it, this may work for some kids who were frightened by the Alien itself and thinking that monster was behind them in the dark vs now the kids knowing it is just Stitch who wouldn't harm them. It sounds like it will be very much "like" AE, but with a new storyline and theme. I think I was expecting more in the idea of actually creating a new show, but I'm still excited to see what happens.
That's exactly it. The length of time that Disney has on this rehab isn't long enough for a completely 'new' attraction. All they are doing is changing the story, the program, the videos and animatronics. It will still be the same thing, but without as much of the 'terror' because, well, Stitch ain't exactly the type to eat a technician and spit the blood on an audience now his he. The attraction will have the same things but in a different manner.
 

dxwwf3

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by Kicker
It will still be the same thing, but without as much of the 'terror' because, well, Stitch ain't exactly the type to eat a technician and spit the blood on an audience now his he.

Nope unfortunately he's not :lol:

Sorry but I thought the blood coming down on you was one of the funniest and best effects of AE. I wonder how they will use that same effect in SGE?
 

MrPromey

Well-Known Member
I never liked AE. When it opened I was in the demographic they were shooting for but it just never did it for me. I thought the idea was cool but there wasn’t anything really scary about it. I mean, would blood be ice cold as it spilt on you?..

As something that I never found frightening I sort of rolled my eyes in the dark when I heard adults screaming at the top of their lungs.

While I understand that this attraction can easily push the buttons of people with certain phobias, what I heard in the dark always sounded awfully melodramatic. The kids coming out of it with tears running down their faces is another story. No matter what else happens in the course of a day, that kind of an event will stick with a young kid and even though parents are warned, it isn’t a coaster that shows obvious fear issues and it is the Magic Kingdom – you know, the happiest place on earth.

All things considered, I don’t think that AE was all that great and even if it had met my expectations, I still don’t think it would have been appropriate in the MK. (Actually, if they made it the way I’d have liked it, they’d have had to open it in a Mirimax theme park – anyone who knows about the corporate drama over Kill Bill knows what I’m talking about ;) )

In any event, I think that the number of people who will be sorry to see this attraction go will be fall outweighed by the people who are either happy to see it go or who don’t really care either way about AE but are happy about the Stich addition.

I think AE was a sort of experiment and to that end it wasn’t unsuccessful. It opened just about a year after Honey I shrunk the Audience and clearly they were trying to push the sensory effect of that attraction further to make something more of it. I think that clearly they were successful in suspending the disbelief of guests while in this attraction but came to realize that the MK was not the place for it. I mean, the Haunted Mansion, the one ride there that could legitimately be frightening without excuse (because you’d have to be an idiot not seeing that coming from the outside of the attraction) was intentionally themed to be non-scary.

As for the Stich in the dark being frightening I don’t think that is necessarily the case. Two things that come to mind are “Sounds Dangerous” in MGM and the booth and headphones experience after it as well as the booth and headphone experience in AK. I have never seen a young child have a problem with any of these and two of the three take place the entire time in total darkness with the third taking place in almost total darkness. I think that a lot of it has to do with the context though I doubt that this attraction will have as much dark time as AE.

I know that some people will be very sorry to see this attraction go and I feel for you. I have similar feelings about attractions that are gone (JII, MTWR) and attractions that may or probably will be gone (COP, SSE) in the foreseeable future but I understand why the get rid of them. Personally, I’m not that big of a Pooh fan but I see the lines for this ride every time I go by it and I have to think that Disney made the right choice even if it didn’t make me happy….

All that said, there is no reason for why they would have to get rid of SIR or Skippy. Why couldn’t Skippy be one of the experiments? Perhaps SIR will be demonstrating how to use the restraint system with him… Being that this is one of the more advanced AAs on property I sort of doubt that they will be trashing it and they really wouldn’t have to do all that much to incorporate much of the preshow area into the new attraction.
 

General Grizz

New Member
Aww...it's gone! I'm really going to miss the feel of "X-S Tech," and I agree with Mr. Promey that SIR and Skippy should remain. Those are my "Wishes"!

As for CoP being closed. . . well let's not talk about that. After all, it's open! :)sohappy: ) - - - and Disney has absolutely no reason shut it down for good.

Back to AE, we'll see how it turns out. I'm particularly interested to see how it will affect attendance - and to what audiences it will cater to.
 

disnyfan89

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by grizzlyhall
Aww...it's gone! I'm really going to miss the feel of "X-S Tech," and I agree with Mr. Promey that SIR and Skippy should remain. Those are my "Wishes"!

Well, the good news is that S. I. R. will still be there as a robot cop (if he will be voiced by Tim Curry and have a bad attitude is still to be seen!!!!) and it is rumored that Skippy will be removed BUT a experiment that closely resembles him will be in his place.
 

MrPromey

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by grizzlyhall
Aww...it's gone! I'm really going to miss the feel of "X-S Tech," and I agree with Mr. Promey that SIR and Skippy should remain. Those are my "Wishes"!

As for CoP being closed. . . well let's not talk about that. After all, it's open! :)sohappy: ) - - - and Disney has absolutely no reason shut it down for good.

Back to AE, we'll see how it turns out. I'm particularly interested to see how it will affect attendance - and to what audiences it will cater to.

And the funny thing is that my statement wasn’t made out of hope. It came from looking at the whole thing in a practical manner. Using as much of what is already there as possible reduces the cost and the time needed for the conversion. Heck, they did that the first time around when they created this attraction to fit the layout of the previous one and are doing it again to still conform to this layout… Using perfectly good props and equipment that is already in place where they can amounts to one less thing to deal with and the stuff in the preshow area has much more of that retro (current future world look) than the actual main attraction has. That area probably won’t need a whole lot of work to fit in with the new theme since Skippy can Just become experiment number 2XX,
 

polyman 65

New Member
I feel sorry for all of you who love AE,having a favorite attraction close is horrible.I personally never liked AE and hated Stitch maybe if he had a better voice.I hope for AE fans it turns out good.
 

CTXRover

Well-Known Member
Originally posted by DisneyFan 2000
I actually don't get the stitch idea... They want to aim for children but it will still have a height restriction???? Someone explain!

My guess is to make it less frightening for those children who were tall enough to ride but were scared to death by AE. However, I can now see this having a reverse effect, since they do in fact seem to be keeping a height requirement, something I expected them to remove. For now, even younger kids than those scared by AE will see that Stitch has a ride, but they will be told they can't go see him :(
 

X2CommNavISTC

Account Suspended
Because they are using the harnesses for the show they had no choice but to keep the height requirement.

Why?

Because the harnesses can only come down to reach a person of 44 inches. Therefore, this is the reason why the requirment is still in there.

They arent touching the harnesses, minus the effects the add/remove from the chairs.

Hm, guess Gary Colman wont be going on this ride any time soon.
 

TURKEY

New Member
Originally posted by X2CommNavISTC
Because they are using the harnesses for the show they had no choice but to keep the height requirement.

Why?

Because the harnesses can only come down to reach a person of 44 inches. Therefore, this is the reason why the requirment is still in there.

They arent touching the harnesses, minus the effects the add/remove from the chairs.

Hm, guess Gary Colman wont be going on this ride any time soon.

How much work would it be to remove the harnesses?

If this is going to be a more kid friendly attraction, why would harnesses be needed?
 

SNS

Active Member
Originally posted by turkey leg boy
If this is going to be a more kid friendly attraction, why would harnesses be needed?

So that they can still use the effects (just in non-scary ways). You can see them in the concept art.
 

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