Steve whats the BUZZ

Invero

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Re: You are ahead of me again.

Originally posted by Talsonic


As always, you are right on the mark. As you know the "old" buses had those "elevator" ramps that lifted wheelchairs into the bus. The "new" LFS buses tilt the entire bus to the right and "extend" a ramp to the curb. Having visited with folks confinded to a wheelchair, I like the LFS buses better. Sorry, if I got the terminolgy wrong. However, the "old" buses (RTS II) have more seating capacity.

Yeah, the lifts are a pain in the butt... the ramps are definetly much easier. Now if only they worked like they should... There's a flaw in the Novabus. For some reason, some times we will go and Tilt the bus, and then extend out the ramp. Sometimes, the bus will "un-tilt" itself while we're trying to board the guest, thus causing a mighty steep ramp. Not a safe situation if it occurs while the guest is on the ramp. This is why now we must require all guests in electric chairs to board in reverse.

Some busses use flip out ramps versus extended ones. I think this is probably a bit better (although not as flashy) because they're more reliable. Also, most transit busses these days have the ramp or lift located in the front, with the two flippy seats right behind each front wheelwell. Transit agencies do this because operators really can't leave the fare box area. Disney decided to keep it in the rear, for ease of entry and exit to those in the chair.


As for capacity... 75% of the time, it's the Operator who decides the seating layout. The LFS has a seating capacity from 35-39 seats. Disney chose the 35, because it allows for more standees. The New Flyer Invero, which is also a low floor bus, has seating for 44. The main difference is that the Invero has a low front floor, but the rear section does have a stair to get up to it. This allows the engine to be in its normal position, instead of on the side, in the passenger compartment area, as in the LFS.

(For comparison, our average RTS has 45 seats)

One thing I definetly do love about the Nova's is the large destination sign. We're currently retrofitting our RTS busses with a smaller version of the sign. (the RTS has a smaller space for it) They are highly visible during the day and night, allow for multiple lines of text, very flexible. (And yet, I still get asked, "Where do you go??" READ THE SIGN!! lol)
 

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Invero

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I also like the large front door... makes for boarding much quicker and easier. Of course, I still get the guy with the large stroller... "Can you open the back doors so that I can get this on?" Uhh... sir... the front door is twice as wide as the back door...
 

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Invero

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They are kinda funky looking, but the visibility is great out of the large windows...
 

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Invero

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The drivers area is pretty simple, and well laid out. Although they use cryptic pictorials to describe things. For example, you press the A/C OFF button to turn it on. And the destination sign controls are hard to reach, even for tall folks like me. But the comfy Recaro seat is niiiice... :) I also hate how the speedometer is in guest view... especially since those things dont work half the time, and it says 70mph, and I'm at a stop light. LOL.
 

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wishiwere@wdw

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I don't know about busses but if you disconnect the spedometer in a car, usually the odometer stops working. Have you noticed if the milage is off? That could be really bad when they go to sell them:)
 

Invero

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Originally posted by wishiwere@wdw
I don't know about busses but if you disconnect the spedometer in a car, usually the odometer stops working. Have you noticed if the milage is off? That could be really bad when they go to sell them:)

I beleive usually the busses have a seperate mileage and/or hour meter in a compartment accessible to maintenance. At any rate, most of our 4700 series RTS busses have over a million miles on them, and the 2700 series have over 2 million miles on them... We generally put ~100,000 miles per year on each bus... give or take, on average.
 

Invero

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Originally posted by DisneyWorldGuru
Tyler, do you have any pictures of the staging area for the buses?

Also, what happens if the bus is pulled over by the cops?

The staging areas are typically just regular parking lots. For example, the parking lot between French Quarter and Riverside... the parking lot between All Star Sports and Music... Stolport... the back parking lot of Epcot... nothing special... just an area where they can fit a ton of busses and dispatch them.

As for a bus being pulled over by Orange County Sherrif's Dept... it is rare, but it does happen. OCSD won't pull us over for minor things like a tail light, or whatnot. But they can (and will) pull us over for traffic violations. I'd imagine its embarrassing for the driver. I personally have never been pulled over in my bus, nor do I plan to. I obey all speed limits, and traffic regulations, as do 99% of our drivers.

I do however wish OCSD would start patrolling more, and watch the cab companies more closely. I can't tell you how many times I've seen them run red lights (i'm not talking about Yellow, turning red... I'm talking blowing right through a fully red light without even slowing down), running stop signs, driving down the wrong way of a one way street, speeding (55+ in a 35)

That's why I advise avoiding the cabs... they're maniacs.
 

Invero

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Originally posted by DisneyWorldGuru
Is there a bus barn like the monorail barn? I mean where do they keep the buses when they are not in service?

We currently have three areas. Vehicle Maintenance, which is located on the ground floor of Monorail Shop. This is where busses go to get major repairs, engine work, body work, tires, etc.

Then there is FIW (Fuel, Inspect, and Wash). This is over by Car Care and the Exxon Station as you exit the MK. Every night, the busses go here to be fueled, inspected, and washed. Minor repairs to the both engine and the bus itself can be done here.

And finally, at night, the busses get parked at the TTC.
 

Invero

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Originally posted by WDWManic
Are those the NEW buses in WDW?

Yes, the most recent pics are of the Nova LFS busses that we have been getting. We've gotten our first two orders already, the last order is set to come in early next year.
 

Invero

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Originally posted by Hyperion93
When did the new buses come into use?

They started being phased in during the early months of 2001. As more were receieved, and as more drivers were trained on them, they became more widely seen.
 

no2apprentice

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Tyler, you mentioned something that made me curious. OCSD pulls vehicles over on Disney property for traffic violations. Can law enforcement in Florida enforce traffic laws on all private property, or does state law or local ordinance allow enforcement on Disney property? Who sets the speed limits and decides on roadway markings, Disney or local government?

Maybe Steve should set up your own board on the site - "Fantasia Boi's WDW Transportation Q&A".:D
 

jmarc63

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Originally posted by no2apprentice
Tyler, you mentioned something that made me curious. OCSD pulls vehicles over on Disney property for traffic violations. Can law enforcement in Florida enforce traffic laws on all private property, or does state law or local ordinance allow enforcement on Disney property? Who sets the speed limits and decides on roadway markings, Disney or local government?

Maybe Steve should set up your own board on the site - "Fantasia Boi's WDW Transportation Q&A".:D

I second that vote. Tyler seems to be the Resident Transportation expert
 

Invero

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Originally posted by no2apprentice
Tyler, you mentioned something that made me curious. OCSD pulls vehicles over on Disney property for traffic violations. Can law enforcement in Florida enforce traffic laws on all private property, or does state law or local ordinance allow enforcement on Disney property? Who sets the speed limits and decides on roadway markings, Disney or local government?

Well... see, here's the thing... most of the roads on Disney property are actually "Public" roads. Therefore, OCSD has full jurisdiction. As for the parts that are private property... not sure how that works legally and all. I do know Disney has some maintenance and horticulture vehicles that can only operate on certain areas because they're not allowed on public roadways. However, if OCSD decides to pull someone over within a private road section, I doubt Disney would argue. Disney and OCSD pretty much work together on these things.





Originally posted by no2apprentice
Maybe Steve should set up your own board on the site - "Fantasia Boi's WDW Transportation Q&A".:D

LOL... No comment.
 

WDWFREAK53

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Originally posted by Fantasia Boi


Well... see, here's the thing... most of the roads on Disney property are actually "Public" roads. Therefore, OCSD has full jurisdiction. As for the parts that are private property... not sure how that works legally and all. I do know Disney has some maintenance and horticulture vehicles that can only operate on certain areas because they're not allowed on public roadways. However, if OCSD decides to pull someone over within a private road section, I doubt Disney would argue. Disney and OCSD pretty much work together on these things.


I'm all for it!






LOL... No comment.
 

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