Starbucks among other new vendors at Disney

[Goofyernmost]

Thanks, my point is and has been, it's not Starbucks coffee it's the sell out of the bakery. So let's see what the future holds is this a trend or an isolated decision?
We all understand corp. America when they make these moves it's with purpose usually testing the waters. They always have reasons, if it works and has little blow back then they take the next step. I,m willing to wait and see but I made my feelings known to Starbucks and Disney. If no one cares then so be it, I do.
I,m a Disney fan first not an excuse maker for a bad decision. They do good things and sometimes not so good things, as fans we need to call them on it. I look at Main Street as the one part of the park that should be untouchable, it's the place Walt Disney took special interest in to make it like small town America.
If we no longer care about that concept, then bring on DQ, Nathan,s, m&m,s stores etc. but I say I can get those items anywhere I don,t need to go to Disney and pay three times the price for ordinary.
Think about it why do people pay the huge ticket price to go to Disney, because they expect different, unique rides otherwise you could stay home and go to six flags and save a bundle.

The point is, it's not a trend, it is a business as usual for Disney parks since they first started. You are used to seeing the Bakery, which is still there, you just don't like what they offer. Like I said previously, I don't think that the Bakery, (which if were actually a bakery would have sold bread) was in line with today's demands anymore. Things change! They don't always align with our wishes, but change they do. Sell out is a pretty harsh word for what happened. They were ready to fold the tent on that stuff anyway and if it had been profitable it would still be there. The original Disneyland sold Grand Piano's, modern (for the time) women's underwear, even cars. They sold out in the sense that Disney didn't manufacture any of that stuff on their own, but, then again, what Main Street, even back then, was operated only by the town it was in. All those store fronts sold what was needed and accepted by the public that used them or they went out of business.

Everyone would like to see Disney as a museum, which it is not. These places must hold their own, just like in the real world. The exterior is designed to remind us of an earlier time, but, the things on the inside of those doors have to be relevant to today's demands. Let's face it, suppose, they had made it a museum and only stocked the shelves with merchandise from the early 1900's. How much time would anyone have spent in them? Once and done, now it's off to the rides and attractions.

 

[HolleBolleGijs]

The Disney stores are no longer run by Disney. Check the Disney financial statement.

From DisneyConsumerProducts.com: "The Disney Store retail chain, which debuted in 1987, is owned and operated by Disney in North America, Europe, and Japan."

In 2004, they sold the US and Japan stores but reacquired them in 2008.

I!m sure many of you hold stock in both company's and see it as more profits ang higher stock prices. That all good to wear rose colored glasses for your investments. However that's not the point , they sold out the msb to Starbucks.

I don't own stock in either of the two companies. I just choose to pick my battles (which include arguing with people who seemingly choose not to pick their battles). Really, it's only Starbucks. Everyone can have their own opinion, but in the grand scheme of things, it's a minor inconvenience to those who are emotionally attached to a bakery.

You keep ignoring the fact that this sort of thing has been happening since the beginning. Disneyland opened with Maxwell House. Someone onehere said the MSB itself used to be Sara Lee. Not to mention the countless attractions that were/are sponsored by huge corporations. Disney parks represent MASSIVE operating costs, so it's not unreasonable to use sponsorship/licensing to mitigate those.

 

[POLY LOVER]

The full story...


BURBANK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The Walt Disney Company (NYSEIS) today announced that it has acquired the Disney Store chain inNorth America from subsidiariesof The Children’s Place Retail Stores, Inc. As a result of the transaction, which consisted of an asset purchase by Disney’s subsidiaries through the bankruptcy and insolvency proceedings of Hoop Retail Stores, LLC in Delaware and Hoop Canada, Inc. in Canada, Disney acquired approximately 220 Disney Stores in the United States and Disney Stores in Canada, with actual number of acquired stores dependent upon the outcome of negotiations with landlords. Disney also obtained the right to conduct an orderly wind-down and closure of approximately 98 Disney Stores in the United States and two Disney Stores in Canada, but without assuming theleases for such stores.

 

[HolleBolleGijs]

The full story...


BURBANK, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The Walt Disney Company (NYSEIS) today announced that it has acquired the Disney Store chain inNorth America from subsidiariesof The Children’s Place Retail Stores, Inc. As a result of the transaction, which consisted of an asset purchase by Disney’s subsidiaries through the bankruptcy and insolvency proceedings of Hoop Retail Stores, LLC in Delaware and Hoop Canada, Inc. in Canada, Disney acquired approximately 220 Disney Stores in the United States and Disney Stores in Canada, with actual number of acquired stores dependent upon the outcome of negotiations with landlords. Disney also obtained the right to conduct an orderly wind-down and closure of approximately 98 Disney Stores in the United States and two Disney Stores in Canada, but without assuming theleases for such stores.

So what I said is correct. They sold the stores, but then reacquired them.

Also, I noticed you posted something asking about similar situations to the Starbucks takeover, but you deleted it. I'll answer anyway. As far as I know, there aren't any situations that are exactly the same as what happened with the MSB (although I don't consider myself an expert in Disney history). Interestingly, it's more of the opposite. Take the Maxwell House example at Disneyland. That was turned into Hill Bros., and from there, I believe the brand name disappeared and became the Town Square Café, which may have turned into Starbucks - I'm not 100% sure. But if so, we're right back where we started. See also: disappearing McDonalds'.

While I said I enjoy arguing with people like you, it's getting tiring. I can understand not being fond of Starbucks, but you're acting like it's the beginning of the end, which is just not the case. You're pretending there's a problem where none exists. So if I stop responding to you, it's not because you've changed my mind, but because I know I can't say anything that will change yours, no matter what.

ETA: There's a first time for everything. Just because there's no exact parallel in WDW history, doesn't mean it's the end of the world. There are certainly similar situations.

I'm done now.

Okay, one more thing, because I can't help myself. There is a coffee shop in DHS: Writer's Stop. If they were really trying to close down replace eateries and replace them with non-Disney brands, surely this wouldn't have survived. But they kept it open. Instead, they decided to use retail space for the Starbucks, which DHS has plenty of.

 

[POLY LOVER]

The point is, it's not a trend, it is a business as usual for Disney parks since they first started. You are used to seeing the Bakery, which is still there, you just don't like what they offer. Like I said previously, I don't think that the Bakery, (which if were actually a bakery would have sold bread) was in line with today's demands anymore. Things change! They don't always align with our wishes, but change they do. Sell out is a pretty harsh word for what happened. They were ready to fold the tent on that stuff anyway and if it had been profitable it would still be there. The original Disneyland sold Grand Piano's, modern (for the time) women's underwear, even cars. They sold out in the sense that Disney didn't manufacture any of that stuff on their own, but, then again, what Main Street, even back then, was operated only by the town it was in. All those store fronts sold what was needed and accepted by the public that used them or they went out of business.

Everyone would like to see Disney as a museum, which it is not. These places must hold their own, just like in the real world. The exterior is designed to remind us of an earlier time, but, the things on the inside of those doors have to be relevant to today's demands. Let's face it, suppose, they had made it a museum and only stocked the shelves with merchandise from the early 1900's. How much time would anyone have spent in them? Once and done, now it's off to the rides and attractions.

I,m not looking for a museum frozen in time, no pun intended. Change is good, nothing wrong with serving Starbucks coffee, it's good coffee, a good company, they treat their people well, they have a great social presence. I don,t know of any other wdw operated location that closed and a national franchise moved in and operated their full business model. I may be wrong maybe you can point out the exact scenario that took place at the msb. As a matter of fact McDonalds had some French fry locations but they did not allow their full menu. The same could have happened at the msb.

 

[Goofyernmost]

I,m not looking for a museum frozen in time, no pun intended. Change is good, nothing wrong with serving Starbucks coffee, it's good coffee, a good company, they treat their people well, they have a great social presence. I don,t know of any other wdw operated location that closed and a national franchise moved in and operated their full business model. I may be wrong maybe you can point out the exact scenario that took place at the msb. As a matter of fact McDonalds had some French fry locations but they did not allow their full menu. The same could have happened at the msb.

Since Starbucks spent some major cash to be there I think that in some ways they get to call their own shots in their stores. Disney could have insisted, but, I don't think that they wanted to anymore and this was a perfect set up where they could still call it the Bakery and not have to deal with it anymore. The area was small and people came in plopped themselves down at the tables, slowly sipped there coffee and ate their C. Buns while others searched for a place to sit. Starbucks enabled them to lose the tables and chairs, make it an quick in and out serving more people and generally, for many, providing a much more useful experience. For Disney it was a win - win. Not only did they not have to worry about production, profit, etc. they get to have a fat check every month for the Starbucks Lease payment.

From what I have been able to garner, Starbucks has been a pretty lucrative store and enjoyed by many with the exception of a few (I would guess you would be included in that number). At best, it has just been a service setup and never an attraction, at least in recent memory.

I'm no fan of Starbucks, as you might have figured, I don't drink coffee, but, how it was handled, how it was presented and how it is run was, in my mind, a huge improvement with or without those almighty Cinnamon Rolls. Trying to balance one of those buns on your knee, hang on to your coffee, etc. while sitting on a curb was a tricky experience. McDonalds fries were a previous agreement, I believe when they had one at DtD and on the side road (can't remember the name). In the park it really was not much more then a seagull feeding station. The CS areas had fries, and it was redundant and revenue losing for Disney.

 

[POLY LOVER]

Since Starbucks spent some major cash to be there I think that in some ways they get to call their own shots in their stores. Disney could have insisted, but, I don't think that they wanted to anymore and this was a perfect set up where they could still call it the Bakery and not have to deal with it anymore. The area was small and people came in plopped themselves down at the tables, slowly sipped there coffee and ate their C. Buns while others searched for a place to sit. Starbucks enabled them to lose the tables and chairs, make it an quick in and out serving more people and generally, for many, providing a much more useful experience. For Disney it was a win - win. Not only did they not have to worry about production, profit, etc. they get to have a fat check every month for the Starbucks Lease payment.

From what I have been able to garner, Starbucks has been a pretty lucrative store and enjoyed by many with the exception of a few (I would guess you would be included in that number). At best, it has just been a service setup and never an attraction, at least in recent memory.

I'm no fan of Starbucks, as you might have figured, I don't drink coffee, but, how it was handled, how it was presented and how it is run was, in my mind, a huge improvement with or without those almighty Cinnamon Rolls. Trying to balance one of those buns on your knee, hang on to your coffee, etc. while sitting on a curb was a tricky experience. McDonalds fries were a previous agreement, I believe when they had one at DtD and on the side road (can't remember the name). In the park it really was not much more then a seagull feeding station. The CS areas had fries, and it was redundant and revenue losing for Disney.

The tables are a loss, comfort of sitting and eating a breakfast item, bun and coffee. No way we're you walking the street with coffee and a bakery item. Now you have no where to sit but on a curb drinking hot coffee and trying to eat .and drink . Imagine a family of four trying to negotiate breakfast takeout there in the heat sitting on the curb. If I were to go there I would not order more than coffee to hard to manage the other items. Profits over quest comfort and quality.

 

[Goofyernmost]

The tables are a loss, comfort of sitting and eating a breakfast item, bun and coffee. No way we're you walking the street with coffee and a bakery item. Now you have no where to sit but on a curb drinking hot coffee and trying to eat .and drink . Imagine a family of four trying to negotiate breakfast takeout there in the heat sitting on the curb. If I were to go there I would not order more than coffee to hard to manage the other items. Profits over quest comfort and quality.

We could go on like this forever, but, I think it is time to drop the subject. Just one thought though without profit there is no guest comfort or quality there is nothing. Pixie Dust can just do so much.

 

[POLY LOVER]

We could go on like this forever, but, I think it is time to drop the subject. Just one thought though without profit there is no guest comfort or quality there is nothing. Pixie Dust can just do so much.

Without quality there is no profit. What is pixie dust? The quality of the product creates the pixie dust or what we call in the business world the special sauce.

 

[HolleBolleGijs]

Without quality there is no profit. What is pixie dust? The quality of the product creates the pixie dust or what we call in the business world the special sauce.

Just because you aren't a fan of Starbucks, doesn't mean it's low quality. You understand that both MSB and Starbucks can be high quality, right? It's not like it was replaced with McCafé, or even Dunkin'.

Okay, HolleBolleGijs OUT. It's time to kill this thread.

 

[POLY LOVER]

Just because you aren't a fan of Starbucks, doesn't mean it's low quality. You understand that both MSB and Starbucks can be high quality, right? It's not like it was replaced with McCafé, or even Dunkin'.

Okay, HolleBolleGijs OUT. It's time to kill this thread.

How many times do I have to say I LOVE STARBUCKS. Except at the msb. Their coffee is quality their cakes are frozen shipped in products. That's not quality to me.

 

[POLY LOVER]

So what I said is correct. They sold the stores, but then reacquired them.

Also, I noticed you posted something asking about similar situations to the Starbucks takeover, but you deleted it. I'll answer anyway. As far as I know, there aren't any situations that are exactly the same as what happened with the MSB (although I don't consider myself an expert in Disney history). Interestingly, it's more of the opposite. Take the Maxwell House example at Disneyland. That was turned into Hill Bros., and from there, I believe the brand name disappeared and became the Town Square Café, which may have turned into Starbucks - I'm not 100% sure. But if so, we're right back where we started. See also: disappearing McDonalds'.

While I said I enjoy arguing with people like you, it's getting tiring. I can understand not being fond of Starbucks, but you're acting like it's the beginning of the end, which is just not the case. You're pretending there's a problem where none exists. So if I stop responding to you, it's not because you've changed my mind, but because I know I can't say anything that will change yours, no matter what.

ETA: There's a first time for everything. Just because there's no exact parallel in WDW history, doesn't mean it's the end of the world. There are certainly similar situations.

I'm done now.

Okay, one more thing, because I can't help myself. There is a coffee shop in DHS: Writer's Stop. If they were really trying to close down replace eateries and replace them with non-Disney brands, surely this wouldn't have survived. But they kept it open. Instead, they decided to use retail space for the Starbucks, which DHS has plenty of.

Writers stop is not a high traffic area Starbucks wouldn't want it. I,m sure they negotiated a package of prime locations. Sticking them in a corner at the lease price Disney wanted would make them laugh. I,m done hope it all works out in the end. Thank you

 

[POLY LOVER]

Oh wait did I hear that pandora is coming to main street? Let me check on that one, I will get back to you. No they are just taking over a portion of the store, whew I was worried the trend may be in full swing.

http://www.themainstreetmouse.com/2...-new-pandora-store-addition-begins-at-the-mk/

 

[Dead2009]

OH LORD THANK YOU we can finally put this to rest. It was a bakery!!!!! and now it is no longer. Thank you master yoda

....it's honestly NOT that big of a deal.

 

[sxeensweet]

....it's honestly NOT that big of a deal.

Everyone has issues that bother them or not concerning WDW, so maybe to you it was not a big deal as the same for others, but to others it may be a big deal for them. This goes for any issue people have or don't have about WDW that is discussed on here. I personally have thought other issues for me were not a big deal , but didn't discount the others that thought it was a big deal to them whether I laughed about the issue or not. Heck I have thought something was nitpicky of fellow posters and stated that to them, BUT did encourage them to complain if it bothered them so much. Never just gave the idea well it's no big deal and you shouldn't complain attitude. lol

 

[Dead2009]

I understand that wholeheartedly...but its not like this was an attraction....it was a bakery. Stuff like that is easily replaceable.

 

[sxeensweet]

I understand that wholeheartedly...but its not like this was an attraction....it was a bakery. Stuff like that is easily replaceable.

Yes and no but do respect your opinion. Even though it was not an "attraction" it was a tradition for a lot of us as it had been there many many years. One of the few things of the past that was left still on Main Street. We would all have been happier if they just put Starbucks somewheres else in MK or had added the Starbuck's coffee and kept the bakery as it was. Most of us have no problems with all the other locations they added across the parks etc. Just did not feel it belonged on Main St. and took away all seating and all the old baked goods many enjoyed year after year.

 

[HRHPrincessAriel]

OH LORD THANK YOU we can finally put this to rest. yoda

Somehow I doubt this.

 

[POLY LOVER]

Yes and no but do respect your opinion. Even though it was not an "attraction" it was a tradition for a lot of us as it had been there many many years. One of the few things of the past that was left still on Main Street. We would all have been happier if they just put Starbucks somewheres else in MK or had added the Starbuck's coffee and kept the bakery as it was. Most of us have no problems with all the other locations they added across the parks etc. Just did not feel it belonged on Main St. and took away all seating and all the old baked goods many enjoyed year after year.

Yes, Main Street is the rub. Its like the Disney company disrespected its own Main Street that it claims was Walts idea and Dream. Like you say place it anywhere else in the park and there is no problem, add the coffee and keep the bakery and there is no problem, do what they did I just find it offensive. I think there are certain rides, attractions, buildings in WDW that are off limits to change and Main Street is one of them.
it was absolutley unnecessary to do what they did. The fact they just did it without any thought except for a good finnacial deal with Starbucks tells you something about the custodians of Walt's dream. You use the word tradition, exactly so many of us have developed traditions with our familys based around certain aspects of WDW. One of ours was to walk onto Main Street first thing in the morning take in the feeling and go to the bakery sit down and enjoy some baked goods a cup of coffee in an old time setting and then go off and begin our day. Yes the coffee was not the greatest I agree but that could have been fixed by Starbucks coffee. The integrity of the bakery and main street could have been intact. as you say TRADITION!!!

 

[BaconPancakes]