Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.

bclane

Well-Known Member
I get all this...my problem was lack of onscreen exposition.

Instead of "artistic ambiguity"...disney should assume that the theaters are full of people that have actually seen Star Wars (aka everyone that owns a tv) and made it a tad satisfying...that's all.
I understand. I just feel that is the point of the opening crawl. You have to pick up the story somewhere. They picked this up in a place that made sense based on Harrison, Mark, and Carrie’s age in real life. My preference would have been to get a new Star Wars movie every two to three years since the beginning. If they would have done this, there wouldn’t have been a gap. Isn’t it nice we have the supplemental material to fill us in on all that history.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Possibly. But he has also stated he thinks Johnson’s made the correct for the franchise just not Luke. But that point is conveniently left out of all the click bait.

It's hard not to be skeptical about johnson's "choices" at this point...very hard.

Like why not recut the ending for a particular character? It made perfect sense and what was released makes zero
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I understand. I just feel that is the point of the opening crawl. You have to pick up the story somewhere. They picked this up in a place that made sense based on Harrison, Mark, and Carrie’s age in real life. My preference would have been to get a new Star Wars movie every two to three years since the beginning. If they would have done this, there wouldn’t have been a gap. Isn’t it nice we have the supplemental material to fill us in on all that history.

The decision to not make sequels in the 90's when the three actors looked vaguely like their characters will go down as the biggest mistake in Star Wars history...my opinion. The prequels were the movies that could have waited.
 

Gomer

Well-Known Member
You walked into this...

The DEAD one!!!!
Well that still doesn’t narrow it down all that much. If you are talking about Luke I couldn’t disagree more. His ending was perfect. Or maybe you are talking about Leia whose end hasn’t been written yet so it is impossible to pass judgment. Or who knows maybe you mean admiral ackbar. Lots of fanboys crying over that one too.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Well that still doesn’t narrow it down all that much. If you are talking about Luke I couldn’t disagree more. His ending was perfect. Or maybe you are talking about Leia whose end hasn’t been written yet so it is impossible to pass judgment. Or who knows maybe you mean admiral ackbar. Lots of fanboys crying over that one too.

No I mean the actual dead one...as in 350 days before movie was released in a chemical crash (yeah...they did quietly released the drug filled autopsy in march)...

She was decrepit in 7 and 8...and now has no place in the 9th...big mistake. I wonder if anyone at lucasfilm has a functioning brain at this point?
 

bclane

Well-Known Member
No I mean the actual dead one...as in 350 days before movie was released in a chemical crash (yeah...they did quietly released the drug filled autopsy in march)...

She was decrepit in 7 and 8...and now has no place in the 9th...big mistake. I wonder if anyone at lucasfilm has a functioning brain at this point?
I’m sure it was tempting for them to let her die in space and perhaps even change Luke’s ending as a result, but they decided to honor Carrie Fisher by keeping her entire performance in tact vs cutting even a minute out of it. I think that is quite the tribute to her and I’m personally happy that they made that choice. She deserves nothing less imo.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
I’m sure it was tempting for them to let her die in space and perhaps even change Luke’s ending as a result, but they decided to honor Carrie Fisher by keeping her entire performance in tact vs cutting even a minute out of it. I think that is quite the tribute to her and I’m personally happy that they made that choice. She deserves nothing less imo.

I'm not sure she "deserves it"...its not like she didn't live a life based on that character...and now it's a mess. Some stupid offscreen mention and more misadventures of Poe and finn?
 

Gomer

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure she "deserves it"...its not like she didn't live a life based on that character...and now it's a mess. Some stupid offscreen mention and more misadventures of Poe and finn?
I imagine they’ll kick off episode IX with a time jump, The crawl saying “Princess Leia has passed”. And start the movie at her funeral with Poe delivering his best Marc Antony impression. “ We come here to bury the general, not to honor her”, and rouse the people now subjected to the first order to rise against them.

Just my speculation.
 

fractal

Well-Known Member
I get all this...my problem was lack of onscreen exposition.

Instead of "artistic ambiguity"...disney should assume that the theaters are full of people that have actually seen Star Wars (aka everyone that owns a tv) and made it a tad satisfying...that's all.

See, if you read the books it makes sense - unless you read the expanded Universe books, then nothing makes sense. lol.
 

bclane

Well-Known Member
I'm not sure she "deserves it"...its not like she didn't live a life based on that character...and now it's a mess. Some stupid offscreen mention and more misadventures of Poe and finn?
No idea how they resolve it now. All I know is I would have been ed if they would have cut much of her performance to conveniently tie things up. Imo, Rian/Disney did the right thing to honor the actor vs making the next one flow better. I have hope that they will come up with a way to give her character a proper ending on film but even if it’s an off screen mention, I’m happy with the choice.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I don't subscribe to this "without Luke, Han, and leia people won't see it as Star Wars" predictions of doom. This is just people spinning tires trying to come up with reasonings...
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
No idea how they resolve it now. All I know is I would have been ****ed if they would have cut much of her performance to conveniently tie things up. Imo, Rian/Disney did the right thing to honor the actor vs making the next one flow better. I have hope that they will come up with a way to give her character a proper ending on film but even if it’s an off screen mention, I’m happy with the choice.

I get what you're saying...but didint life kinda step in and determine that?

You have mark hamill...Ford is forgetting his birthday behind the controls of a plane somehere...fisher is in far worse shape...

I know it's a bit of Star Wars sacrilege...but fisher to me is the worst part about the disney movies at this point. She just was destroyed by her own life and didn't resemble anything that the character was. Well beyond the screen, she was...

And I know that people age...it's not that. People age with far more grace. I don't think sigourney weaver couldn't pull off an onscreen performance these days...Carrie fisher couldn't.
 
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Bairstow

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No I mean the actual dead one...as in 350 days before movie was released in a chemical crash (yeah...they did quietly released the drug filled autopsy in march)...

She was decrepit in 7 and 8...and now has no place in the 9th...big mistake. I wonder if anyone at lucasfilm has a functioning brain at this point?

Watch her be the main character in 9, flying around like Superman and punching out TIE fighters.
 

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