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Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.
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Gomer
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Just to provide balance because Friedman is clearly pushing one side of the story daily it seems...
http://variety.com/2017/film/box-office/box-office-star-wars-the-last-jedi-jumanji-2-1202648631/amp/
fractal
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some more numbers;
http://za.ign.com/star-wars-episode...ast-jedi-had-a-massive-second-weekend-drop-at
STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI HAD A MASSIVE SECOND WEEKEND DROP AT THE BOX OFFICE
Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle opens strong.
BY JIM VEJVODA
Star Wars: The Last Jedi topped the North American box office in its second weekend with an estimated $68.5 million, but it also plummeted a steep 68.9% from its $220 million debut. Despite this nasty drop, The Last Jedi will finish the three-day weekend at $745.4 million worldwide and $365.1 million domestic after just ten days in release.
Now for the dark side of this news. The Last Jedi "lost more money between its first and second weekends than any film ever, by a lot," as Forbes put it. The film's $151 million drop is a greater gap than the $121 million between the first two weekends of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part II.
This puts Last Jedi in what Forbes dubs the $100 Million Losers Club for "a still-rare group of films that opened so high and then dropped so hard that they made over $100m less on their second weekend than their first." This group includes Avengers: Age of Ultron, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and Jurassic World.
Industry projections still peg The Last Jedi as finishing its theatrical run north of $1 billion worldwide and $600+ million domestic. If those projections pan out then The Last Jedi would become the No. 1 domestic release of 2017 ahead of another Disney title, Beauty and the Beast ($504 million).
Yes, that's not Force Awakens money ($936.7 million domestic/$2.1 billion worldwide) but Disney won't be selling their stuff on eBay anytime soon to pay the rent. They're now the only studio to reach $6 billion twice at the global box office.
The weekend's biggest new release was Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle, which finished in second place with an estimated three-day haul of $34 million (and a total of $50.6 million since opening Wednesday.) The weekend's second biggest debut was Pitch Perfect 3, with an estimated $20.5 million opening for third place.
The weekend's three other major new releases all struggled. The Hugh Jackman musical The Greatest Showman finished the three-day Christmas weekend with an estimated $8.6 million for fourth place. Downsizing, starring Matt Damon, had a tiny seventh place debut of roughly $4.6 million, while Father Figures opened in ninth place with an estimated $3.2 million.
Here are the three-day weekend estimates for the North American box office via comScore:
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http://za.ign.com/star-wars-episode...ast-jedi-had-a-massive-second-weekend-drop-at
STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI HAD A MASSIVE SECOND WEEKEND DROP AT THE BOX OFFICE
Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle opens strong.
BY JIM VEJVODA
Star Wars: The Last Jedi topped the North American box office in its second weekend with an estimated $68.5 million, but it also plummeted a steep 68.9% from its $220 million debut. Despite this nasty drop, The Last Jedi will finish the three-day weekend at $745.4 million worldwide and $365.1 million domestic after just ten days in release.
Now for the dark side of this news. The Last Jedi "lost more money between its first and second weekends than any film ever, by a lot," as Forbes put it. The film's $151 million drop is a greater gap than the $121 million between the first two weekends of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows, Part II.
This puts Last Jedi in what Forbes dubs the $100 Million Losers Club for "a still-rare group of films that opened so high and then dropped so hard that they made over $100m less on their second weekend than their first." This group includes Avengers: Age of Ultron, Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, and Jurassic World.
Industry projections still peg The Last Jedi as finishing its theatrical run north of $1 billion worldwide and $600+ million domestic. If those projections pan out then The Last Jedi would become the No. 1 domestic release of 2017 ahead of another Disney title, Beauty and the Beast ($504 million).
Yes, that's not Force Awakens money ($936.7 million domestic/$2.1 billion worldwide) but Disney won't be selling their stuff on eBay anytime soon to pay the rent. They're now the only studio to reach $6 billion twice at the global box office.
The weekend's biggest new release was Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle, which finished in second place with an estimated three-day haul of $34 million (and a total of $50.6 million since opening Wednesday.) The weekend's second biggest debut was Pitch Perfect 3, with an estimated $20.5 million opening for third place.
The weekend's three other major new releases all struggled. The Hugh Jackman musical The Greatest Showman finished the three-day Christmas weekend with an estimated $8.6 million for fourth place. Downsizing, starring Matt Damon, had a tiny seventh place debut of roughly $4.6 million, while Father Figures opened in ninth place with an estimated $3.2 million.
Here are the three-day weekend estimates for the North American box office via comScore:
- 1. Star Wars: The Last Jedi $68.5 million
- 2. Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle $34 million
- 3. Pitch Perfect 3 $20.5 million
- 4. The Greatest Showman $8.6 million
- 5. Ferdinand $7.1 million
- 6. Coco $5.2 million
- 7. Downsizing $4.6 million
- 8. Darkest Hour $4.1 million
- 9. Father Figures $3.2 million
- 10. The Shape of Water $3.1 million
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Jedi Stitch
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Just saw the movie over the weekend. Huh, Sooo I guess reading all the Character books and books that essentially are the "real" 789, were a waste. Not to mention the Cannon and the Games. Games (Tie Fighter had the most Cannon in it, to me). So, some one took the Kylo Knight of Ren Comics and built the movies. Originally the next three films were supposed to be bringing order to the Galaxy. Return of the Jedi had "Take half the fleet to the far side of the Galaxy." Vader did, but then left it entrusted to Grand Admiral Thraun. So we never see the Resistance rebuild the The New Republic, while struggling with the remnants of the Old Empire. We never see Leia struggle balancing out being the leader of the struggling republic and Mother /Wife. Han and her had 3 children Ben and the Twins boy/girl. Luke start the new order, his brush with death from Mara Jade that become his wife. The Clone Luke from his hand severed on Bespin. Weeboka, Chewy's nefew. The Emperor has clones, so what happened to all them.
Ok, Awakens is just New Hope re-packaged. I was able to live with someone taking everything I had known to that point and said "Meh, all you products of the '70s and '80s born, Fugetaboutat." So we have Rey, The Junker Girl (Farm Girl) wanting to be part of something bigger. She has powers that are mystically known. Not a stretch, we see it in Cannon all the time. Just play the Dark Trooper, Jedi, Jedi Outcast games. You see a former Imperial Commando/Smuggler who is son to a Jedi, go to the Valley of the Jedi and able to defeat Sith Masters. In out cast, defeat a Luke trained Jedi turned Sith again with out formal training. Just hands on experience. We get Poe, I don't know about you, but he has to be a force sensitive to be that super pilot. Fin, Most people are thinking how does a space janitor storm trooper know every secret in the first order military. I was an E-4 who was passed up for promotion 3 times, but had the experience, knowledge, and understanding of an E-8.I knew things that were beyond my pay grade, so it is not a stretch for Fin to know. We loose Han. Well that changed things up. Destroying the top 8 core planets like Coresant, so who is in charge? Shouldn't the Galaxy be in a Civil War for control from systems not affected by the planets blasted. No one has explained who the first order are, Why they are so Empiresk. I know all the Millennial hate exposition (see everything wrong with guy), but still back story exposition beyond the title scroll is some time needed.
Last Jedi, The name implied the ending Who knew. Rey, I don't believe she was just from drunks parents. Ok if Snoke said he made the able to Force Skype, then how did they do it at the end, with out Snoke or Luke. They have a connection is it because they are Twins or just the Ying/Yang of the light and dark side. Why didn't we ever see this other than father and son in 5 &6. BTW, I thought Snoke was a Emperor Clone that wasn't finished baking and took on it own personality. Also, Sith powers feed off the host bodies, so that why evil Sith do have rough life look, well that was the rules before they went out the window. Luke, I saw him going the way of Obi-Wan, so We should see his force ghost come back and guide Rey, maybe see other big guys show up too. Anakin, could say hi to Ben and give him the push back to light. Ok, Cloaking Devices. They are big, they need a moderate size cruiser to fit one. "A ship that size couldn't have a cloaking device." said about the Falcon. Those transports were larger than the falcon, they had a line a troops in the defense trench. Not all of the defense troops were killed off, and tons of support troops. over a half dozen transports not destroyed now now they are fitting on the Falcon. The falcon is not a cargo ship, it is the engine to push cruiser size space barges across the galaxy. Thank you for following on another rambling by me. Enjoy.
Ok, Awakens is just New Hope re-packaged. I was able to live with someone taking everything I had known to that point and said "Meh, all you products of the '70s and '80s born, Fugetaboutat." So we have Rey, The Junker Girl (Farm Girl) wanting to be part of something bigger. She has powers that are mystically known. Not a stretch, we see it in Cannon all the time. Just play the Dark Trooper, Jedi, Jedi Outcast games. You see a former Imperial Commando/Smuggler who is son to a Jedi, go to the Valley of the Jedi and able to defeat Sith Masters. In out cast, defeat a Luke trained Jedi turned Sith again with out formal training. Just hands on experience. We get Poe, I don't know about you, but he has to be a force sensitive to be that super pilot. Fin, Most people are thinking how does a space janitor storm trooper know every secret in the first order military. I was an E-4 who was passed up for promotion 3 times, but had the experience, knowledge, and understanding of an E-8.I knew things that were beyond my pay grade, so it is not a stretch for Fin to know. We loose Han. Well that changed things up. Destroying the top 8 core planets like Coresant, so who is in charge? Shouldn't the Galaxy be in a Civil War for control from systems not affected by the planets blasted. No one has explained who the first order are, Why they are so Empiresk. I know all the Millennial hate exposition (see everything wrong with guy), but still back story exposition beyond the title scroll is some time needed.
Last Jedi, The name implied the ending Who knew. Rey, I don't believe she was just from drunks parents. Ok if Snoke said he made the able to Force Skype, then how did they do it at the end, with out Snoke or Luke. They have a connection is it because they are Twins or just the Ying/Yang of the light and dark side. Why didn't we ever see this other than father and son in 5 &6. BTW, I thought Snoke was a Emperor Clone that wasn't finished baking and took on it own personality. Also, Sith powers feed off the host bodies, so that why evil Sith do have rough life look, well that was the rules before they went out the window. Luke, I saw him going the way of Obi-Wan, so We should see his force ghost come back and guide Rey, maybe see other big guys show up too. Anakin, could say hi to Ben and give him the push back to light. Ok, Cloaking Devices. They are big, they need a moderate size cruiser to fit one. "A ship that size couldn't have a cloaking device." said about the Falcon. Those transports were larger than the falcon, they had a line a troops in the defense trench. Not all of the defense troops were killed off, and tons of support troops. over a half dozen transports not destroyed now now they are fitting on the Falcon. The falcon is not a cargo ship, it is the engine to push cruiser size space barges across the galaxy. Thank you for following on another rambling by me. Enjoy.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Imho - the constant comparison to TFA box office is the same "must have growth every quarter" mindset behind wall st. I don't understand the expectation that a film always tops the last one... or even does the same. Ok, if you are a movie studio exec... of course you want more. But outside the movie studio... who cares. The movie is still doubling most of its competition... if it's biggest failure is it's not as good as something years ago, from a different market... then so what.
Sometimes things align that are external to the film itself... you can't replicate that... and don't get pointing to that repeatedly to try to say AP something about the film.
Remember when films used to be in theaters for months??? No one compares how quickly movies leave the theaters now as how weak a film is... because it's the norm now. Still think reserved seating and so many screens means these "two to three week" runs will just keep getting more exaggerated.
Sometimes things align that are external to the film itself... you can't replicate that... and don't get pointing to that repeatedly to try to say AP something about the film.
Remember when films used to be in theaters for months??? No one compares how quickly movies leave the theaters now as how weak a film is... because it's the norm now. Still think reserved seating and so many screens means these "two to three week" runs will just keep getting more exaggerated.
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Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The real question is...what's reasonable drop and what represents a problem for disney?
It's showing a 33% lag from the Abrams Awakens (...but the story didn't), which MY OPINION (aka don't give me a link to the Salt Lake City Alien Gazette review) is probably a little more than Disney upper end estimates. My bet is they figured maybe 20-25% drop.
We'll see how it goes...but it's something to watch...
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This way it doesn't seem like you're shouting at us.
I would guess the ones most distressed about the direction of TLJ are also the ones who hated the prequel trilogy and have a huge hate-on for George Lucas already. IOW, few care about how George Lucas feels.
Age of Ultron wound up with $1.4 Billion worldwide take. So... what exactly is Forbes or the person quoting Forbes trying to say?
- Don't worry, a huge success like AoU also has a huge drop but in the end did really well?
- OR, are they actually making the point that a big drop from a huge starting point is a sign of failure... which it wasn't for AoU?
Coming in half a billion short of the previous movie which made an unprecedented two billion is a small price to pay for opening up the franchise to make billions of billions later. If TLJ had the same expected story elements, it would have been hammered even harder than TFA for being more of a reboot... IMO.
flynnibus
Premium Member
Far more shocking for me was walking through Walmart last week and seeing the almost complete lack of Star Wars toys.
Literally the Star Wars lego section was bigger than the Star Wars action figure section... which was all of about 4ft of shelf. The amount of licensed stuff in toys seemed really low compared to TFA too. Media/advertising seems prevalent... but in consumer products the difference between TFA and TLJ is polar opposites. (Post OT) Star Wars does seem more common in pop culture now, shirts etc... but in household/toys? Seems pretty low right now compared to the first huge huge push with TFA
Literally the Star Wars lego section was bigger than the Star Wars action figure section... which was all of about 4ft of shelf. The amount of licensed stuff in toys seemed really low compared to TFA too. Media/advertising seems prevalent... but in consumer products the difference between TFA and TLJ is polar opposites. (Post OT) Star Wars does seem more common in pop culture now, shirts etc... but in household/toys? Seems pretty low right now compared to the first huge huge push with TFA
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I agree...for whatever reason...toys are de-emphasized now
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Here I agree...though I have to say that Lucas's stock has risen in my eyes these last two weeks. Though the prequels were bad...there was more consistency in overall narrative than we are seeing from Disney's "let the director decide" story approach.
How do you get it's "opened up" at all? If anything...both abrams and Johnson have backed the whole thing into the corner...that's what happens when you make everything feel "small" and kill off anyone who doesn't meet their new "worldview" demographic set...
I have zero faith jj Abrams can do anything in 2 hours...except for this Rey/Kylo teen love nonsense...
It's very telling that treverow was fired in the fall...after the film was basically done. Wouldn't be surprised if it was more him quitting...
Quinnmac000
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My coworker went to see and pointed out a huge error.
In the Force Awakens being scrolled, the Resistance and the First Order are equal in power and nothing major happens in the first film to change that so how does the Lest Jedi start which literally is 30 seconds after the Force Awakens with the
"The FIRST ORDER reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.
"Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.
In the Force Awakens being scrolled, the Resistance and the First Order are equal in power and nothing major happens in the first film to change that so how does the Lest Jedi start which literally is 30 seconds after the Force Awakens with the
"The FIRST ORDER reigns. Having decimated the peaceful Republic, Supreme Leader Snoke now deploys his merciless legions to seize military control of the galaxy.
"Only General Leia Organa’s band of RESISTANCE fighters stand against the rising tyranny, certain that Jedi Master Luke Skywalker will return and restore a spark of hope to the fight.
fractal
Well-Known Member
Right now, the majority - maybe 70% - of ticket sales have come from pre-sales (before anybody saw the movie). After pre-sales, ticket sales are driven primarily by reviews and word of mouth. For SW movies, multi viewings have also been a driver of ticket sales. You cannot deny that this movie (for whatever reason you pick) has been disappointing post pre-sales. I enjoyed it much better after my second viewing but will not see it again in the theater.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Valid point...
I think i saw that $120-140 mil was due do presales in North America...
So if you deduct that from the current gross...it's not really fairing all that well...
This week will ultimately decide its fate as far as where it falls as far as expectations/similar tentpoles
Gomer
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Starkiller Base blew up the Republic's capital world, including their entire government and their entire fleet before it was taken out by the resistance militia.
Gomer
Well-Known Member
Yeah, we'll be able to make some final extrapolations after we see the weekday numbers this week and next weekends hold. Every day this week should play similar to a Saturday as far as demographics go. If that happens, they cross 500 domestic 1B WW by New Years Day easily. If they struggle to cross that mark by Monday, this probably peters out in that 1.2 billion range. If it crosses it easily, we're more in that 1.4 range probably.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
You know...I can't for the life of me figure any of that out...I don't see why both directors were allowed to go this route.
The reboot didn't honestly make sense...if anything, they could have bonded newer generations with the older fan base by sticking to alliance/republic and empire and taken them in different directions if they had to. That's just vain directors putting their "stamp" where it didn't need to go...
But be size of the conflict is just inexcusable in my opinion . They're left with 15 people...
And the "now their REAL underdogs"
Defense is frankly stupid. They were always underdogs...they were better equipped and still
Lost massively in rogue one...
There's just no excuse for Letting this go off the rails. Because Lucas went stupidly big in the prequels now they stupidly small?
bclane
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In no way shape or form was the Resistance and the First Order equal in power. Where did they get that idea from?
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
That's been my range since opening night (you can check the tape)...and I don't see any reason that will be eclipsed...the danger is on the low end.
I don't think disney will be happy with that...though they won't admit it. I think that $1.5-1.75 ish was what they expected
Gomer
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I'd say 1.5 is fair, but who knows. All that really matters is how much below that causes an impact in how they approach future movies.
More importantly will be how the Solo movie plays out.