Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.

[bclane]

I get what you're saying...but didint life kinda step in and determine that?

You have mark hamill...Ford is forgetting his birthday behind the controls of a plane somehere...fisher is in far worse shape...

I know it's a bit of Star Wars sacrilege...but fisher to me is the worst part about the disney movies at this point. She just was destroyed by her own life and didn't resemble anything that the character was. Well beyond the screen, she was...

And I know that people age...it's not that. People age with far more grace. I don't think sigourney weaver couldn't pull off an onscreen performance these days...Carrie fisher couldn't.

Well, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this as well as I see it very differently than you. To me it was pure movie magic to see my childhood hero’s back on the silver screen again and in their iconic roles no less. I thought all three of them did a fantastic job playing older versions of the heroes I grew up with.

 

[bclane]

Can seeing where green milk comes from be classified as the best scene ever?

Well it certainly answers the question of what will Luke drink if there are no Banthas around.

 

[bclane]

THR is projecting TLJ to hit 1.6 billion now that the Christmas weekend numbers are in the books. This would be a better drop from TFA than ESB experienced (percentage wise) compared to Star Wars. That is pretty impressive if it actually hits that. My prediction was 70% of TLJ. If it hits 1.6 I will have been too low in my guesstimate. I guess we’ll see...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ast-jedi-dips-at-christmas-box-office-1070314

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Well, we’ll just have to agree to disagree on this as well as I see it very differently than you. To me it was pure movie magic to see my childhood hero’s back on the silver screen again and in their iconic roles no less. I thought all three of them did a fantastic job playing older versions of the heroes I grew up with.

I think it's

Hamill = Pass (not his fault...purely on the director and his inability to grasp what made Luke skywalker iconic)

Ford = pass (again...didnt mind his work...but his own insistence on a high paid exit strategy and Abrams/Kennedy (who's spielbergs baglady...we do know that, correct?) overaccomodation showed and did no favors to the story...

Fisher = near complete fail. Couldn't move, couldn't talk...That's not fisher's fault...but somebody at lucasfilm could have figured this out years ago...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

THR is projecting TLJ to hit 1.6 billion now that the Christmas weekend numbers are in the books. This would be a better drop from TFA than ESB experienced (percentage wise) compared to Star Wars. That is pretty impressive if it actually hits that. My prediction was 70% of TLJ. If it hits 1.6 I will have been too low in my guesstimate. I guess we’ll see...

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/h...ast-jedi-dips-at-christmas-box-office-1070314

I see no real path to 1.6 now that the numbers to this point have been comparatively "soft" for a Star Wars in the big gross era...
...but it's still new ground.

I saw it had the 77th largest 4 day holiday weekend ever...is that good? Even compared to Memorial Day? I dunno

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Watch her be the main character in 9, flying around like Superman and punching out TIE fighters.

It's honestly frikkin ridiculous that we can't outright reject that idea...

 

[bclane]

I see no real path to 1.6 now that the numbers to this point have been comparatively "soft" for a Star Wars in the big gross era...
...but it's still new ground.

I saw it had the 77th largest 4 day holiday weekend ever...is that good? Even compared to Memorial Day? I dunno

I think you are comparing TLJ’s second weekend to a chart primarily showing opening weekends? Not a valid comparison imo.

 

[MisterPenguin]

10!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think you are comparing TLJ’s second weekend to a chart primarily showing opening weekends? Not a valid comparison imo.

The first weekend sales were obviously strong and should put it easily over that benchmark...but I don't think anyone in Hollywood is honestly very confident of that right now.

Time will tell...daily box offices in the US this week will be telling as well as overseas figures. There was an article this last few days - I can't remember where - predicting the slowest winter in years...that matters too.

And by the way...that THR article is estimating a $800 mil domestic to get to 1.6...which means it would have to do double what it has so far...that's really though as daily box office is going to decline sharply after this week if not before...

Forbes was guessing more like $600-700 in an article published today...I think that's a more reasonable target, no?

And I'm not doing chart analysis...just reading today's articles/estimates and taking somewhat educated guesses

 

[bclane]

The first weekend sales were obviously strong and should put it easily over that benchmark...but I don't think anyone in Hollywood is honestly very confident of that right now.

Time will tell...daily box offices in the US this week will be telling as well as overseas figures. There was an article this last few days - I can't remember where - predicting the slowest winter in years...that matters too.

And by the way...that THR article is estimating a $800 mil domestic to get to 1.6...which means it would have to do double what it has so far...that's really though as daily box office is going to decline sharply after this week if not before...

Forbes was guessing more like $600-700 in an article published today...I think that's a more reasonable target, no?

And I'm not doing chart analysis...just reading today's articles/estimates and taking somewhat educated guesses

Sure but I was commenting on your comparing TLJs second weekend (4 day) to a chart consisting of primarily opening weekends. TLJ’s numbers this past weenend were made worse by the fact that Sunday was Christmas Eve which is a notoriously bad day at the box office. This is why I agree that this week is a more important predictor than this last weekend’s numbers imo. The Forbes numbers are actually closer to my prediction than THRs but they aren’t impossible. We’ll see.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I said this in another thread on accident. Anyways, I think that snoke is not dead and that he was a force projection in the throne room.

 

[bclane]

I said this in another thread on accident. Anyways, I think that snoke is not dead and that he was a force projection in the throne room.

I think that Rian has clearly opened Pandora’s box on Force ghosts and Force projections to the point that anything is possible now. I wouldn’t be surprised if Snoke was killed, but will be back in the next movie anyway and do battle with Yoda and Luke as Force ghosts. And if he was a Force projection and still alive and kicking, did Luke get this idea for his projection from what was happening between Kylo and Rey. Hmmmmmmm.....

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I think that Rian has clearly opened Pandora’s box on Force ghosts and Force projections to the point that anything is possible now. I wouldn’t be surprised if Snoke was killed, but will be back in the next movie anyway and do battle with Yoda and Luke as Force ghosts. And if he was a Force projection and still alive and kicking, did Luke get this idea for his projection from what was happening between Kylo and Rey. Hmmmmmmm.....

Aren't force ghosts only open to light side users?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sure but I was commenting on your comparing TLJs second weekend (4 day) to a chart consisting of primarily opening weekends. TLJ’s numbers this past weenend were made worse by the fact that Sunday was Christmas Eve which is a notoriously bad day at the box office. This is why I agree that this week is a more important predictor than this last weekend’s numbers imo. The Forbes numbers are actually closer to my prediction than THRs but they aren’t impossible. We’ll see.

The four day weekend thing was more anecdotal...I just saw it and mentioned it.

I don't think there's any question now that the overall success is gonna be on the lower end of estimates and something real is driving that.

It's not that people couldn't muster the energy to go see it after force awakens, or that Disney is ok with a pretty big - say 30% - drop. Neither of those things are true...

It was never gonna do what abrams did (I'd argue that if it had an original story that woulda done $2.5...we'll never know...), but to simply assume that this is ok for disney and the future of Star Wars is giving way too little thought longterm...it's more complicated than that. If product is down (it is) and box office is down more than projected (don't know but very possible)...then that kinda fatigue is big for disney moving forward.

It also makes this announcement that he's gonna get 3 more movies look premature. Did Kennedy and iger and Abrams watch this and scream "everybody's gonna love it!!!"

Because that would mean a fundamental lack of understanding of their fan base. Gen X isn't dying anytime soon...

They need to hire Gary Kurtz - my opinion...the person who massaged a lot of the edits and feel of ANH and empire...that's the only person left who might know what the hell he's looking at...

 

[Bairstow]

I said this in another thread on accident. Anyways, I think that snoke is not dead and that he was a force projection in the throne room.

To what end?

This would only make sense from a storytelling point of view if another character had made some major decision as a result of his deception. None did. Adam Driver continued to be evil and took over the Empire and Rey refused to join him. None of the other rebels are even cognizant of his death.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I said this in another thread on accident. Anyways, I think that snoke is not dead and that he was a force projection in the throne room.

I kinda hope so...because he was unexplained, useless, and sucks on the darth maul pointless scale as it stands now...

 

[bclane]

Aren't force ghosts only open to light side users?

So far we’ve only seen light side Force ghosts but RJ was asked about that in an interview and he said that there is no reason that we couldn’t see dark side Force ghosts in future movies. He even discussed how this fits within their desire for immortality. So, it’s really up to JJ if he wants to explore that or not.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

To what end?

This would only make sense from a storytelling point of view if another character had made some major decision as a result of his deception. None did. Adam Driver continued to be evil and took over the Empire and Rey refused to join him. None of the other rebels are even cognizant of his death.

...it's like abrams and Johnson were unaware of each other's movies...

Ridiculous considering abrams is a producer and did if for the money in the first place (my theory is that he and Kennedy are only interested in pleasing/taking over for papa Steve in some form in the future anyway)...

But why on earth did they do a reboot followed by a complete contradiction where half the characters are disposed of? To what end?

 

[bclane]

The four day weekend thing was more anecdotal...I just saw it and mentioned it.

I don't think there's any question now that the overall success is gonna be on the lower end of estimates and something real is driving that.

It's not that people couldn't muster the energy to go see it after force awakens, or that Disney is ok with a pretty big - say 30% - drop. Neither of those things are true...

It was never gonna do what abrams did (I'd argue that if it had an original story that woulda done $2.5...we'll never know...), but to simply assume that this is ok for disney and the future of Star Wars is giving way too little thought longterm...it's more complicated than that. If product is down (it is) and box office is down more than projected (don't know but very possible)...then that kinda fatigue is big for disney moving forward.

It also makes this announcement that he's gonna get 3 more movies look premature. Did Kennedy and iger and Abrams watch this and scream "everybody's gonna love it!!!"

Because that would mean a fundamental lack of understanding of their fan base. Gen X isn't dying anytime soon...

They need to hire Gary Kurtz - my opinion...the person who massaged a lot of the edits and feel of ANH and empire...that's the only person left who might know what the hell he's looking at...

Considering the fact that I’m Gen X, I hope you are right about that part at least. Lol!

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Considering the fact that I’m Gen X, I hope you are right about that part at least. Lol!

As am I...and many of us...and i have a legitimate argument here...

...No matter what charts come off the google