Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Ep 8). SPOILERS. Plot points revealed and discussed.

[Gomer]

In no way shape or form was the Resistance and the First Order equal in power. Where did they get that idea from?

Oh yeah, that too. DIdn't even notice that it was resistance mentioned not republic.

The resistance is a small band of fighters, unaffiliated with the government. It was never a force in any way near equal to the First Order.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

In no way shape or form was the Resistance and the First Order equal in power. Where did they get that idea from?

I'll say this again...

Why would anyone expect the "first order" to be larger than the "republic" than the disparity in the original trilogy?

They did NOTHING to explain that except saying there was a divide between "republic" and "resistance"...

Again...why are the winners so "weak"? And you needed to explain in onscreen...not in EU novels...

Even hux says "their cherished republic fleet!!!"

Where is it?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Oh yeah, that too. DIdn't even notice that it was resistance mentioned not republic.

The resistance is a small band of fighters, unaffiliated with the government. It was never a force in any way near equal to the First Order.

And still...here's my problem...we don't know JACK about any of this...

It never should have been this stupid

 

[bclane]

Oh yeah, that too. DIdn't even notice that it was resistance mentioned not republic.

The resistance is a small band of fighters, unaffiliated with the government. It was never a force in any way near equal to the First Order.

Definitely. Plus, I didn’t address the other poster’s timing of the movie issue, as I am at a family thing right now and shouldn’t even be on my phone, but the Resistance story most likely doesn’t pick up right after TFA. They may pick up Rey’s story right after but that ignores travel time for Rey etc. There is clearly some time dilation going on there and I do think that Rian could have done a better job helping viewers follow the timeline... Here’s an article that deals with some of these type of issues:


https://screenrant.com/star-wars-8-broken-timeline-makes-sense/

 

[Gomer]

And still...here's my problem...we don't know JACK about any of this...

It never should have been this stupid

All of that was mentioned in the movie. None of it was supplemental. It's subtle, not in your face. Like the ANH line about abolishing the senate. But its all there.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'd say 1.5 is fair, but who knows. All that really matters is how much below that causes an impact in how they approach future movies.

More importantly will be how the Solo movie plays out.

How is solo not gonna flop?

It will have to be on reviews...because a lot larger percentage of the solo fans...and those are the old crotchety people...are not in favor of this from
The start.

Any reason to think this isn't DOA?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

All of that was mentioned in the movie. None of it was supplemental. It's subtle, not in your face. Like the ANH line about abolishing the senate. But its all there.

Not good enough...my opinion...the republic/empire conflict is the 1A story of the entire franchise...to make it anecdotal is just not kosher.

We can agree to disagree

 

[Gomer]

How is solo not gonna flop?

It will have to be on reviews...because a lot larger percentage of the solo fans...and those are the old crotchety people...are not in favor of this from
The start.

Any reason to think this isn't DOA?

Flop would be strong. I'm thinking it will perform like a typical, non-SW summer movie. I am very anti-Solo and have been from the beginning. So I'll be a tough sell personally. I don't think they should have ever made this movie. But I'll go in with an open mind.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Starkiller Base blew up the Republic's capital world, including their entire government and their entire fleet before it was taken out by the resistance militia.

Huh?

 

[Gomer]

Huh?

Huh what? That is what happened in The Force Awakens?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Flop would be strong. I'm thinking it will perform like a typical, non-SW summer movie. I am very anti-Solo and have been from the beginning. So I'll be a tough sell personally. I don't think they should have ever made this movie. But I'll go in with an open mind.

It's a case study...

My suspicion is that the 40 something fanboy are still providing the financial backing behind the commercial success of the Star Wars franchise (it's common sense, really...)...so if they reject solo, what's that gonna look like?

I will not prebuy...and have no intention to see it unless all reviews are great...even the "internet troll ones"

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You saw a fleet destroyed? I must have blinked...

I saw a couple planets blow with some John Williams strings crying..

...I'd go back and watch it now..but I don't need a nap yet.

 

[Gomer]

You saw a fleet destroyed? I must have blinked...

I saw a couple planets blow with some John Williams strings crying..

...I'd go back and watch it now..but I don't need a nap yet.

It's discussed by the characters in the resistance base when planning the Starkiller attack.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It's discussed by the characters in the resistance base when planning the Starkiller attack.

I'll have to rewatch...though you know that it's not gonna change the belief that the entire story premise sucks...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...l-unhappy-lukes-role-last-jedi-calls-not-luke

...he's going to become increasingly vocal about this as time goes on...

 

[Gomer]

I'll have to rewatch...though you know that it's not gonna change the belief that the entire story premise sucks...

I think anyone who has read your clearly knows that by this point.

I honestly don't care who likes it or not. But the internal logic is followed. The error mentioned before isn't an error. A plot hole doesn't come into existence just because someone ignores some of the information given.

You can not like the choice to make the main characters part of this small resistance. Or not like that they let the republic that was built in the wake of the OT crumble off screen. That's fine and a valid opinion. But as the story was written, the internal logic is sound and presented on screen with enough information to justify it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think anyone who has read your clearly knows that by this point.

I honestly don't care who likes it or not. But the internal logic is followed. The error mentioned before isn't an error. A plot hole doesn't come into existence just because someone ignores some of the information given.

You can not like the choice to make the main characters part of this small resistance. Or not like that they let the republic that was built in the wake of the OT crumble off screen. That's fine and a valid opinion. But as the story was written, the internal logic is sound and presented on screen with enough information to justify it.

Yeah...and besides...those "outer rim allies" were name dropped so expertly by Princess Rigor

 

[Gomer]

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...l-unhappy-lukes-role-last-jedi-calls-not-luke

...he's going to become increasingly vocal about this as time goes on...

This is the same interview that's been circulating. Not new information. That site is just a little behind apparently.

 

[bclane]

I'll say this again...

Why would anyone expect the "first order" to be larger than the "republic" than the disparity in the original trilogy?

They did NOTHING to explain that except saying there was a divide between "republic" and "resistance"...

Again...why are the winners so "weak"? And you needed to explain in onscreen...not in EU novels...

Even hux says "their cherished republic fleet!!!"

Where is it?

Since this has already been explained in here, this will be the reader’s digest version. The Empire was bigger than the Rebel Alliance. It was never a fair fight. After Sidious was overthrown the war continued on for a while but eventually the New Republic “won” and soon began the process of demilitarizing. They demilitarized in part because the Republic was never supposed to have a massive military and frankly the people were sick of war...it was Sidious that was behind that evil and the New Republic sought to undo what he had done. The First Order grew out of ashes of the Empire in secret. By the time the New Republic caught on to what was happening it was basically too late. A lot of the population was done fighting for the most part. The First Order, like the Empire before it, was and is a much larger military force than the small Resistance that Leia was able to put together. Yes, I may have taken some creative license in my readers digest summary but that is the jist of it. Feel free to read up on the back story if you like, but just as it was to start Star Wars, the opening crawl of TFA filled in enough back story to drop you into the story. If you want all the details, you are free to read the supplementary material. Maybe some day they will make a movie about the period after VI, but that is not the story they are telling with the current trilogy.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Since this has already been explained in here, this will be the reader’s digest version. The Empire was bigger than the Rebel Alliance. It was never a fair fight. After Sidious was overthrown the war continued on for a while but eventually the New Republic “won” and soon began the process of demilitarizing. They demilitarized in part because the Republic was never supposed to have a massive military and frankly the people were sick of war...it was Sidious that was behind that evil and the New Republic sought to undo what he had done. The First Order grew out of ashes of the Empire in secret. By the time the New Republic caught on to what was happening it was basically too late. A lot of the population was done fighting for the most part. The First Order, like the Empire before it, was and is a much larger military force than the small Resistance that Leia was able to put together. Yes, I may have taken some creative license in my readers digest summary but that is the jist of it. Feel free to read up on the back story if you like, but just as it was to start Star Wars, the opening crawl of TFA filled in enough back story to drop you into the story. If you want all the details, you are free to read the supplementary material. Maybe some day they will make a movie about the period after VI, but that is not the story they are telling with the current trilogy.

I get all this...my problem was lack of onscreen exposition.

Instead of "artistic ambiguity"...disney should assume that the theaters are full of people that have actually seen Star Wars (aka everyone that owns a tv) and made it a tad satisfying...that's all.