News Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance to begin Standby September 23rd

[Purduevian]

Think its hard to compare RotR to other parks, but we for sure can compare it to rides in it's own park:
~11:30am

• ROTR 80
• SDD 75
• TOT 65
• MFSR/RnRC/MMRR 50
• TSMM 45
• All else under 30

 

[dreday3]

Not bad!

 

[ToTBellHop]

Think its hard to compare RotR to other parks, but we for sure can compare it to rides in it's own park:
~11:30am

• ROTR 80
• SDD 75
• TOT 65
• MFSR/RnRC/MMRR 50
• TSMM 45
• All else under 30

Well, the demand is unprecedented. Just not in the expected way.

 

[flynnibus]

True, but Rise’s wait time was still on par with other headliner attractions pretty much all day. Even in the same park (Slinky). So regardless of how busy the parks are, there doesn’t seem to be extra demand for this specific attraction like everyone predicted. But it’s only been one day, so we’ll see how things go in the next few weeks.

That is false logic.

Waits happen when demand exceeds supply - so you can't just say "waits are the same... so demand is the same too" -- the comparison must take into account that the wait result is a function of demand VS supply.

When park loads are so low, waits often become dependent on how an attraction cycles as well. For instance, attractions with continuous load vs attractions that batch load into different timed preshows, etc.

The attributes that usually lead to extreme waits or differences between attractions don't manifest when the crowds are low.. they do when the crowds are busy or not uniform. Or issues like the impacts of breakdowns, etc are far less when there are fewer people given return passes, etc.

All this is about don't take any extrapolations from what you see now when crowds are absolute minimums... it literally is a different kind of result vs when the crowd load is normal.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Which "r" word? The one people use when they mean stupid?

Ripoff

I don't find what we are paying frightening.

I know its less than we paid for Beach Club in 2014 for the same amount of time/hoppers and soooo much less than what we paid for Poly in 2017, same amount of time, etc. - Poly is something I regret spending that much money on.

I get your point…but that’s still not cheap given the circumstances of the last 2 years.

I assume everyone traveling now (other than DVC) knows they aren’t only using part of hotel capacity to Keep the costs low and the prices high, correct?

it’s a good scenario overall for the customer…while it lasts. Get ready for LIGHTNING

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Think its hard to compare RotR to other parks, but we for sure can compare it to rides in it's own park:
~11:30am

• ROTR 80
• SDD 75
• TOT 65
• MFSR/RnRC/MMRR 50
• TSMM 45
• All else under 30

When they get back to big crowds…mgm is going to be an absolute nightmare. It’s got “skip park” written all over it

 

[CaptainAmerica]

That is false logic.

Waits happen when demand exceeds supply - so you can't just say "waits are the same... so demand is the same too" -- the comparison must take into account that the wait result is a function of demand VS supply.

When park loads are so low, waits often become dependent on how an attraction cycles as well. For instance, attractions with continuous load vs attractions that batch load into different timed preshows, etc.

The attributes that usually lead to extreme waits or differences between attractions don't manifest when the crowds are low.. they do when the crowds are busy or not uniform. Or issues like the impacts of breakdowns, etc are far less when there are fewer people given return passes, etc.

All this is about don't take any extrapolations from what you see now when crowds are absolute minimums... it literally is a different kind of result vs when the crowd load is normal.

This is kind of pedantic.

Everyone expected Rise of the Resistance to have gargantuan wait times, *even considering* all of those operational differences that you're describing. In fact, everyone expected Rise's operational issues to contribute to even worse wait times than what we've seen at things like Flight of Passage and Mine Train. The fact that it hasn't would indicate, to me, that demand is not as strong as everyone assumed.

Maybe because, as @Sirwalterraleigh pointed out, nobody gives a flip about Rey and Finn and Kylo.

 

[ToTBellHop]

This is kind of pedantic.

Everyone expected Rise of the Resistance to have gargantuan wait times, *even considering* all of those operational differences that you're describing. In fact, everyone expected Rise's operational issues to contribute to even worse wait times than what we've seen at things like Flight of Passage and Mine Train. The fact that it hasn't would indicate, to me, that demand is not as strong as everyone assumed.

Maybe because, as @Sirwalterraleigh pointed out, nobody gives a flip about Rey and Finn and Kylo.

I think it is that the pandemic is still going on. Folks going to WDW right now are largely folks who were already comfortable going during the pandemic—locals and those who feel travel is safe. And people who feel travel is safe are still, largely, staying in America. So they’ve already been to WDW since RotR opened. And if it isn’t new, it’s not a huge priority. It’s not as though no one is at DHS today. They just think RotR is worth the same wait as ToT.

This may change once the people who’ve stayed away during Covid return, but I’m not convinced they will all show up at once.

 

[Chomama]

I think it is that the pandemic is still going on. Folks going to WDW right now are largely folks who were already comfortable going during the pandemic—locals and those who feel travel is safe. And people who feel travel is safe are still, largely, staying in America. So they’ve already been to WDW since RotR opened. And if it isn’t new, it’s not a huge priority. It’s not as though no one is at DHS today. They just think RotR is worth the same wait as ToT.

This may change once the people who’ve stayed away during Covid return, but I’m not convinced they will all show up at once.

That sounds just like our family. We are going for the 50th but it will be our fourth trip since the pandemic began. It’s funny because we haven’t felt comfortable doing much locally but I felt relatively comfortable at Disney. I will say that we don’t do indoor dining and rent a car to avoid transportation. We mask even outdoors if we are in a crowd. We are also vaccinated. All of that to say we have had our fair share of rides on rise. I don’t care if I never ride it again and I am not waiting an hour for it!

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

All of that to say we have had our fair share of rides on rise. I don’t care if I never ride it again and I am not waiting an hour for it!

Yeah. To be honest.... I’m more interested in riding slinky dog again.

I like Rise, it’s a unique and impressive attraction. But it’s not fun. Slinky dog is fun and makes me smile.

The entire Star Wars land lacks fun.

Why do I watch the muppets 3d over and over again? It’s fun! And there are enough details that I see something new every time I watch.

The big details on Rise to watch for? Oh are both AA’s actually working?

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I think it is that the pandemic is still going on. Folks going to WDW right now are largely folks who were already comfortable going during the pandemic—locals and those who feel travel is safe. And people who feel travel is safe are still, largely, staying in America. So they’ve already been to WDW since RotR opened. And if it isn’t new, it’s not a huge priority. It’s not as though no one is at DHS today. They just think RotR is worth the same wait as ToT.

This may change once the people who’ve stayed away during Covid return, but I’m not convinced they will all show up at once.

I mean maybe, but just I don't think there are enough visit-multiple-times-per-year-even-in-a-pandemic people to drive Tower to a 65 minute wait on a Friday in September.

In other words, I think you're describing a real dynamic, but I don't think it's big enough in raw numbers to explain what we're seeing.

 

[ToTBellHop]

I mean maybe, but just I don't think there are enough visit-multiple-times-per-year-even-in-a-pandemic people to drive Tower to a 65 minute wait on a Friday in September.

In other words, I think you're describing a real dynamic, but I don't think it's big enough in raw numbers to explain what we're seeing.

I’d be curious to see their guest trends right now.

 

[jpinkc]

Yeah. To be honest.... I’m more interested in riding slinky dog again.

I like Rise, it’s a unique and impressive attraction. But it’s not fun. Slinky dog is fun and makes me smile.

The entire Star Wars land lacks fun.

Why do I watch the muppets 3d over and over again? It’s fun! And there are enough details that I see something new every time I watch.

The big details on Rise to watch for? Oh are both AA’s actually working?

Your comments echo one of our friends who went in 19. We are going for the 50th in Nov. His family was far more impressed by HP Lands at Uni than Galaxies Edge. HP Land was alive compared to SWL, he said they saw so little in the way of Streetmosphere, HP had various shows through out the day and Witches and Wizards wandering around helping people with the wand tricks etc. SWL he said felt dead, like a museum to SW, yeah the Kylo coming out was ok, but they werent impressed, nor were they impressed with the food, I think he said they only liked the Ronto Wraps LOL

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think it is that the pandemic is still going on. Folks going to WDW right now are largely folks who were already comfortable going during the pandemic—locals and those who feel travel is safe. And people who feel travel is safe are still, largely, staying in America. So they’ve already been to WDW since RotR opened. And if it isn’t new, it’s not a huge priority. It’s not as though no one is at DHS today. They just think RotR is worth the same wait as ToT.

This may change once the people who’ve stayed away during Covid return, but I’m not convinced they will all show up at once.

I think you’re both right in different ways…

however…give it a year or so of normalcy and the demand for this one ride will fall. It’s very “average” when you get off…that’s critical, kind and Fair…so longterm appeal will be on the level of “it’s there…let’s ride it”…not because Of it’s merits.

that’s my guess. The IP is bad and worsens by the day….

you know the main actors have all but denounced their involvement…like Natalie Portman before them?

it’s as bad as it looked…which Star Wars amplified over time. That’s the deal.

that being said…this thing has only been open during the biggest travel lockdown…well…ever.

most havent ridden it yet. It will have lines…and sell passes.
It shouldn’t…but whatever

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’d be curious to see their guest trends right now.

You’re gonna need tom cruise to break into the vault to get a hint of the truth there

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Your comments echo one of our friends who went in 19. We are going for the 50th in Nov. His family was far more impressed by HP Lands at Uni than Galaxies Edge. HP Land was alive compared to SWL, he said they saw so little in the way of Streetmosphere, HP had various shows through out the day and Witches and Wizards wandering around helping people with the wand tricks etc. SWL he said felt dead, like a museum to SW, yeah the Kylo coming out was ok, but they werent impressed, nor were they impressed with the food, I think he said they only liked the Ronto Wraps LOL

Keep in mind that Galaxy's Edge was brand new in 2019. WWoHP wasn't "alive" with streetmosphere when it first opened either, it was filled with crushing crowds in line for the shops and attractions.

 

[RoadiJeff]

I personally think the lower than expected standby line for ROTR might partially be because a lot of people thought the line would be several hours long and they went somewhere else instead. As people are finding out that the line is not as bad as they thought they will begin heading there and the long wait times will soon appear.

I hope it doesn't turn into a 1.5-2+ hour wait but I will find out in a few weeks. I'm driving 15.5 hours from the St. Louis area and doing a solo 8 day visit to WDW and Universal, staying at a $45/night hotel in Kissimmee. I've done the high dollar vacations to WDW before and I'd like to see how much fun I can have going low budget for a change.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Think its hard to compare RotR to other parks, but we for sure can compare it to rides in it's own park:
~11:30am

• ROTR 80
• SDD 75
• TOT 65
• MFSR/RnRC/MMRR 50
• TSMM 45
• All else under 30

Sept. used to be considered an off peak time PLUS we are still in the pandemic, therefore these represent lower possible wait times. 50 minutes is really on the high end on my personal wait time tolerance, so ROTR, SDD, TOT would be off my list.

These wait times will just go up as we get into the holidays.

But this discussion is moot. The Genie app, G+ , LL , pay-per-ride will fix all of this

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Keep in mind that Galaxy's Edge was brand new in 2019. WWoHP wasn't "alive" with streetmosphere when it first opened either, it was filled with crushing crowds in line for the shops and attractions.

Exactly like what happened at Disneyland…

…wait a minute…breaking news

 

[flynnibus]

This is kind of pedantic.

Everyone expected Rise of the Resistance to have gargantuan wait times, *even considering* all of those operational differences that you're describing. In fact, everyone expected Rise's operational issues to contribute to even worse wait times than what we've seen at things like Flight of Passage and Mine Train. The fact that it hasn't would indicate, to me, that demand is not as strong as everyone assumed.

Or the simple fact.. you can't have gargantuan wait times when there isn't anyone there to get in line.