Star Wars: Rise of the Resistance opening reports and using Boarding Groups at Disneyland

[shambolicdefending]

do we just use old systems that are easy to run, or do we stick with complex technologies that result in at least a few years of rough times on these rides?

I think there's probably a good middle ground in there somewhere.

 

[Phroobar]

Technologyly advanced doesn't necessarily mean new. (Although I'm unaware of a elevation combined with a motion base in any other Disney attraction). Is the combination that makes it so. All of the elements (doors, animatronic, elevators, motion bases, sounds, lights, vehicles, effects) must work with each other in a way that's never been combined before.

If you excuse the lack of an animatronic, Universal Studio's Transformers has doors, motion base, elevators, sounds, lights, vehicles and effects. If you don't wear the 3d glasses, you can tell when your going up and down the elevator to the second floor. I would also say Florida's Tower of Terror is a vehicle motion base that has elevators, sounds, lights, doors and effects. Mystic Manor has all that too except the elevator. When you boil it down, it is just a dark ride similar to Indiana Jones or Winnie the Pooh.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

The only thing that separates it from other trackless dark rides is the lifts. Is it really that advanced when all it does is slowly glide around hallways?

 

[el_super]

But when you spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the single biggest ride in a quarter century based on the most successful IP in American pop culture history, it should get at least 2,000 riders per hour (2,500 would be better) and be able to open on time each morning.

So what exactly... Take a roller coaster and play Star Wars music on it? It works for Six Flags right?

 

[el_super]

The only thing that separates it from other trackless dark rides is the lifts. Is it really that advanced when all it does is slowly glide around hallways?

Yeah it is. It still does something no other ride system can do.

 

[el_super]

When you boil it down, it is just a dark ride similar to Indiana Jones or Winnie the Pooh.

Hahaha sure... When you boil it down Indiana Jones is exactly like Winnie the Pooh.

 

[Curious Constance]

So what exactly... Take a roller coaster and play Star Wars music on it? It works for Six Flags right?

I guess it is true that the only two options available in the world are what we got and a roller coaster.

 

[Rich Brownn]

If you excuse the lack of an animatronic, Universal Studio's Transformers has doors, motion base, elevators, sounds, lights, vehicles and effects. If you don't wear the 3d glasses, you can tell when your going up and down the elevator to the second floor. I would also say Florida's Tower of Terror is a vehicle motion base that has elevators, sounds, lights, doors and effects. Mystic Manor has all that too except the elevator. When you boil it down, it is just a dark ride similar to Indiana Jones or Winnie the Pooh.

1) The motion base in Transformer is in the cars, not the elevators 2) The elevators also caused Transformers to go down frequently when it first opened, so that's kind of a moot point 3) Mystic Manor has no where near the number of doors, never mind effects that RoTR has (I count 19 doors in RoTR main ride). If you think the tech of WtP and RoTR are the same complexity, I'll have what you're smoking

 

[TP2000]

So what exactly... Take a roller coaster and play Star Wars music on it? It works for Six Flags right?

That concept sounds hokey, but then look how popular Hyperspace Mountain was.

But what exactly? I don't know exactly, because I'm not a high-paid celebrity Imagineer, I'm just an old guy sitting in my den nursing a Scotch. But what I do know is all those high paid Imagineers that Disney loves to shove onstage at D23 Expo and fan conventions year after year need to flippin' figure it out. Figure it out, kids.

I just love this 55 year old photo because it speaks volumes about the priorities of Walt-era Imagineering who knew intrinsically that they had to be good hosts in addition to being good showmen. 238 guests admitted every 4 minutes is 3,570 guests admitted each hour. With a 20 minute wait time. Sponsor is thrilled, guests are entertained, job of being a good showman and a good host has been done correctly and thus proudly labeled a Walt Disney Presentation.

Disneyland in 2020 hosts more people annually than the New York World's Fair got annually over its two year run. But the version of this sign out in front of Star Wars: Rise Before Dawn would be "80 Guests Admitted Each 4 Minutes", if they had the guts to admit that to their paying customers without mentioning it breaks down for hours and hours per day.

So figure it out. If each theater on the Carousel of Progress seated 238 people before it rotated to the first scene every 4 minutes, why does the rotating shuttle craft theater at Rise Before Dawn only hold a few dozen people? Why don't those shuttle crafts hold 150 people? Why do the prisoner transports only hold 8 people, and when I rode there was an empty seat next to me? Why don't the transport vehicles seat 24 people like a boat on Pirates does? Why did Glendale executives even pitch this very expensive new ride to Burbank executives knowing full well that on it's very best day it will never break 2,000 riders per hour?

All of those questions will probably never be answered. But the fact that we have to ask those questions tells me that the current crop of Imagineers have likely never worked at Disneyland and don't have the slightest idea what it takes to be a good host to 75,000 paying customers per day.

Figure it out, kids. Or is the big WDI salary that covers the Tesla payment for some other talent we don't know about?

Meanwhile, back on topic on Batuu... they are trying to get to the final confirmed Boarding Group 80 before they shut this ride down for the night sometime around 8:30pm, even though Disneyland is very busy and open until 11pm tonight.

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[THE 1HAPPY HAUNT]

So what exactly... Take a roller coaster and play Star Wars music on it? It works for Six Flags right?

Or you could do what Universal did with Hagrid's and combine AA'S, MOVIE MUSIC, a unique train car, add a drop track, and make one hell of a roller coaster. your feeble attempt to dismiss roller coasters as a ride that can be very immersive or better than a dark ride has been debunked son.

 

[TP2000]

They had a crummy day today. In their defense though, they waited until 8:55pm before they called their last Boarding Group, instead of the usual 8:30pm for Last Call. Disneyland was busy again today this holiday week, a gorgeous and spring-like day, and the park is open 8am to 11pm.

Thursday 2/20: Open 8:40am, Closed 8:55pm at Boarding Group 92, Open 6.5 Hours, Closed 8.5 Hours

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[choco choco]

The simplest solution is to put identical copies of the same ride on either side of the hangar once you get off the transport ship. Doubles the capacity. I'm guessing even the dumbest imagineers figured that out so I'll blame Iger for being too cheap, even though doubling up was not a problem when it came to spending 70 billion to buy a movie studio when he already had his own movie studio.

 

[DLR>WDW]

The simplest solution is to put identical copies of the same ride on either side of the hangar once you get off the transport ship. Doubles the capacity. I'm guessing even the dumbest imagineers figured that out so I'll blame Iger for being too cheap, even though doubling up was not a problem when it came to spending 70 billion to buy a movie studio when he already had his own movie studio.

Ah yes, very simple to build a ride atop multiple roads, a bridge, and a couple parking structures.

 

[choco choco]

Ah yes, very simple to build a ride atop multiple roads, a bridge, and a couple parking structures.

If Iger had listened and put it in the Simba lot like the Imagineers originally proposed, yes it would have been plenty simple.

 

[fradz]

If Iger had listened and put it in the Simba lot like the Imagineers originally proposed, yes it would have been plenty simple.

?? Can I read more about this somewhere?

 

[Phroobar]

?? Can I read more about this somewhere?

Old rumor from a crazy person back at laughingplace. Star Wars land was suppose to be built on the Simba lot with a bridge connecting it to DCA. There was suppose to be a Star Wars hotel built into the berm of the land. Imagine actually being able to see down into it from those spires and living in the huts high above it.

 

[el_super]

Or you could do what Universal did with Hagrid's and combine AA'S, MOVIE MUSIC, a unique train car, add a drop track, and make one hell of a roller coaster. your feeble attempt to dismiss roller coasters as a ride that can be very immersive or better than a dark ride has been debunked son.

I am really glad that Disney tries to be something more than just really good at making roller coasters.

 

[el_super]

All they needed were larger vehicles and a room that continuously charges them and swaps out when the other vehicles get low. People try to claim it's not possible, but it absolutely would be possible. You'd just need wider hallways and to account for more weight for the lifts/simulator.

Wider hallways and bigger shafts and motion bases would completely change the feel of the ride. Bigger vehicles wouldn't be able to move as quickly.

 

[Phroobar]

So figure it out. If each theater on the Carousel of Progress seated 238 people before it rotated to the first scene every 4 minutes, why does the rotating shuttle craft theater at Rise Before Dawn only hold a few dozen people? Why don't those shuttle crafts hold 150 people? Why do the prisoner transports only hold 8 people, and when I rode there was an empty seat next to me? Why don't the transport vehicles seat 24 people like a boat on Pirates does? Why did Glendale executives even pitch this very expensive new ride to Burbank executives knowing full well that on it's very best day it will never break 2,000 riders per hour?

I wonder how mechanically and electronically similar the transport vehicle is to the Ratatouille trackless vehicle? Just them being cheap reusing existing tech?

Why couldn't they give us a trackless or even tracked version of the Great Movie Ride vehicle? I guess something that big couldn't dance?

 

[shambolicdefending]

If Iger had listened and put it in the Simba lot like the Imagineers originally proposed, yes it would have been plenty simple.

Old rumor from a crazy person back at laughingplace. Star Wars land was suppose to be built on the Simba lot with a bridge connecting it to DCA. There was suppose to be a Star Wars hotel built into the berm of the land. Imagine actually being able to see down into it from those spires and living in the huts high above it.

I mean, the truth is there are probably a dozen different blue sky proposals for any given Disney project that look way cooler on paper than whatever ends up actually being built.

With all the drama they've had with other bridge and hotel ideas, we'd probably still be years away from groundbreaking if they'd decided to pursue an idea like that.