Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

[RSoxNo1]

It's quite simple, Last Jedi was all a dream.

Personally I like this theory...

Spoiler

Rey was born out of the light side of Kylo

 

[marni1971]

So basically your saying it’s not a WDI issue that is preventing RoR from opening - it’s a management strategy?

Yep.

 

[marni1971]

And watch out for low flying craft.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

And watch out for low flying craft.

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[PorterRedkey]

I've started a Millenium Falcon: Smuggler's Run only thread that focuses on the what we know about the queue, ride, and interactivity of this attraction.

I have included some information that I don't think has been widely reported or was at least buried in this thread.

Millennium Falcon: Smuggler's Run - Ride/Queue Details and Discussion

I thought there should be a dedicated thread for each of the attractions in Galaxy's Edge. It might be hard for someone who wants details on this attraction to search through the 850+ pages of the Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios thread. I did a cursory search for a...

forums.wdwmagic.com

 

[Notes from Neverland]

And watch out for low flying craft.

This comment needs more attention!

 

[PorterRedkey]

Here's a nice article about Io9's media trip to Galaxy's Edge. It is in a list format "77 things we learned", so it makes for easy reading and you can skip the stuff you already know.

Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge—The 77 Most Fascinating Things We Learned on Our Trip

Have you been dying to learn all the nitty-gritty details on what you’ll find inside Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge? That wait is over.

io9.gizmodo.com

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Can anyone make sense of why this is happening?:

The Star Wars Land-facing side of the Muppet Vision building has been half-painted gray for months, but now they seem to have turned their attention to the Muppet Courtyard Grand Avenue-facing side and are painting over the Muppet Vision "Gone With The Wind" Mural.

I can understand getting rid of the old Muppet Vision Hot Air Balloon if it was going to cause a visual intrustion from Star Wars Land, but what on earth is the point of painting over something park-side like this? As I recall, they haven't even yet finished painting the side that actually faces Star Wars Land.

With talk being that Muppet Vision is safe and isn't going anywhere despite all the rejiggering going on at the studios, why do they keep making moves like this and the redress of the Theatre's exterior and signage that don't impact Star Wars Land but continue to shrink the Muppet's presence in their own area?

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

I suspected that. They are truly paranoid about bad PR w/this. Which is probably a good thing. Also means that scattered soft openings of RoR are probably likely.

I am so confused by this. If their concern is avoiding bad PR, wouldn't failing to have the top attraction available on grand opening day be the very last thing they'd ever want to do?

@marni1971, is there any additional light that you can shed on their thinking about this?

 

[marni1971]

Can anyone make sense of why this is happening?:

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The Star Wars Land-facing side of the Muppet Vision building has been half-painted gray for months, but now they seem to have turned their attention to the Muppet Courtyard Grand Avenue-facing side and are painting over the Muppet Vision "Gone With The Wind" Mural.

I can understand getting rid of the old Muppet Vision Hot Air Balloon if it was going to cause a visual intrustion from Star Wars Land, but what on earth is the point of painting over something park-side like this? As I recall, they haven't even yet finished painting the side that actually faces Star Wars Land.

With talk being that Muppet Vision is safe and isn't going anywhere despite all the rejiggering going on at the studios, why do they keep making moves like this and the redress of the Theatre's exterior and signage that don't impact Star Wars Land but continue to shrink the Muppet's presence in their own area?

From what I can gather, it’s an attempt to make the area more Grand Avenue style.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

The entire Disney-MGM Studios opened without being a fully operational park. It was a trap. Darth Eisner had lured guests into a park with just two rides. The others were slowly opened in the following months.

EPCOT too took a year to open all of its WS and FW pavilions (and never finished much else).

 

[tirian]

Notice: no FP at the opening, not even with the FP+ reservation system in Florida. It’s as if Disney is quietly admitting the FP+ system causes operational capacity problems.

Not to derail the thread, but does anyone remember how Disney used to turn off the paper FP machines if park attendance wasn’t high enough to demand a need?

The new version of FP is wielded to minimize loading zones and artificially create queue backups that keep guests standing in line (e.g. one loading dock at Pirates, one side of BTMRR). This means less staffing and greater profits, but at the expense of guest experience.

Disney needs all the capacity it can get at SWGE, which means no FP in DL and definitely no FP+ in WDW.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

From what I can gather, it’s an attempt to make the area more Grand Avenue style.

I really hope this means they'll find a way to deal with the "half-built movie-set facades" on the Stage 1 Company Store building as well. The rest of Grand Park is immersive placemaking (just like Grand Avenue is), but then you can see where the facades end on the Stage 1 building, completely breaking the story/immersion of the area. The facades should either be completed or completely removed, IMHO.

 

[marni1971]

Notice: no FP at the opening, not even with the FP+ reservation system in Florida. It’s as if Disney is quietly admitting the FP+ system causes operational capacity problems.

Imagine.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Notice: no FP at the opening, not even with the FP+ reservation system in Florida. It’s as if Disney is quietly admitting the FP+ system causes operational capacity problems.

Not to derail the thread, but does anyone remember how Disney used to turn off the paper FP machines if park attendance wasn’t high enough to demand a need?

The new version of FP is wielded to minimize loading zones and artificially create queue backups that keep guests standing in line (e.g. one loading dock at Pirates, one side of BTMRR). This means less staffing and greater profits, but at the expense of guest experience.

Disney needs all the capacity it can get at SWGE, which means no FP in DL and definitely no FP+ in WDW.

Imagine.

So here's a question - what would happen if this works, and Millennium Falcon ends up with relatively reasonable Standby Lines that inflate massively when FastPass comes online?

If a 2-3 hour Standby line turns into a 5-6 hour Standby against FastPass, any chance that guests could revolt and get the FastPass taken offline?

A dream, I'm sure, not to mention the "appeal" to many guests and the company of long lines -- how many times have you heard people cite the length of a ride's lines as a measurement of its popularity, when it usually has more to do with loading speed and capacity?

 

[marni1971]

will FP happen once ROTR is open?

Eventually yes. The attractions have FP lines. What version of FP remains to be seen.

 

[erasure fan1]

I am so confused by this. If their concern is avoiding bad PR, wouldn't failing to have the top attraction available on grand opening day be the very last thing they'd ever want to do?

Yea I don't think PR is ever a top priority for Disney with these type of things. I'm sure they believe this will make their job easier and boost attendance earlier. If they cared about bad PR they wouldn't have raised prices so so much for all those years while they let the parks stagnate. They firmly believe no matter what they do, the hordes will still come.

 

[MisterPenguin]

So here's a question - what would happen if this works, and Millennium Falcon ends up with relatively reasonable Standby Lines that inflate massively when FastPass comes online?

If a 2-3 hour Standby line turns into a 5-6 hour Standby against FastPass, any chance that guests could revolt and get the FastPass taken offline?

A dream, I'm sure, not to mention the "appeal" to many guests and the company of long lines -- how many times have you heard people cite the length of a ride's lines as a measurement of its popularity, when it usually has more to do with loading speed and capacity?

Of course the Standby line inflates when you add FP. You add in all those people who get to ride the ride with little wait (the thousands of people with FP), which means Standby moves slower. But when you only look at the Standby line and ignore the thousand of people who didn't wait long, you're going to have a skewed idea of the effects of FP. With FP, thousands of people scheduled a time slot and had relatively little wait.

Ideally, a popular ride should be FP only, thus, no one waits in a 5 hour line. But then you have the problem of equitably distributing those FP.

Then comes a question: Do you want to miss out on a ride because you couldn't get a FP, or do you want to miss out on a ride because you refuse to get on a five hour line?

 

[nickys]

Of course the Standby line inflates when you add FP. You add in all those people who get to ride the ride with little wait (the thousands of people with FP), which means Standby moves slower. But when you only look at the Standby line and ignore the thousand of people who didn't wait long, you're going to have a skewed idea of the effects of FP. With FP, thousands of people scheduled a time slot and had relatively little wait.

Ideally, a popular ride should be FP only, thus, no one waits in a 5 hour line. But then you have the problem of equitably distributing those FP.

Then comes a question: Do you want to miss out on a ride because you couldn't get a FP, or do you want to miss out on a ride because you refuse to get on a five hour line?

That’s a good point.

The FP+ System benefits onsite guests over offsite guests. It also benefits those staying longer than average.

Conversely no FP is an advantage for those who stay onsite for a short time or offsite. It is a disadvantage to those staying longer. Adding EMH every day gives an advantage to onsite over offsite.

For purely selfish reasons, I’m glad I won’t be coming until it’s been open over a year. I hope there will be FPs for it by then, it means I can be sure of getting to ride. Whether I have to pay extra to do so remains to be seen of course. If they offer something that allows us to do both rides, I would pay for us to do it once, maybe twice if the Star Wars Resort isn’t open.

But if things change, we will survive! So I’ll see what happens.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Of course the Standby line inflates when you add FP. You add in all those people who get to ride the ride with little wait (the thousands of people with FP), which means Standby moves slower. But when you only look at the Standby line and ignore the thousand of people who didn't wait long, you're going to have a skewed idea of the effects of FP. With FP, thousands of people scheduled a time slot and had relatively little wait.

Ideally, a popular ride should be FP only, thus, no one waits in a 5 hour line. But then you have the problem of equitably distributing those FP.

Then comes a question: Do you want to miss out on a ride because you couldn't get a FP, or do you want to miss out on a ride because you refuse to get on a five hour line?

At least if I refused to wait on a 5 hour Standby line I don't feel slighted by the system. I miss out on plenty of rides because I couldn't get a FastPass - most if not all of my trips to WDW since FastPass+ came online have been booked less than 60 days out, so the "Good FastPasses" for my trip are long gone before I even know I'm going . . . just the way my life and my job works. Besides, to my point, Standby lines are shorter all around when FastPass isn't in play.

I'm not ignoring the thousands of people who had a short wait - I'm saying the upside for them isn't proportionate to the downside for everyone else.

I think the inverse of your idea, that ideally a popular ride would be Standby only -- then everyone has to wait in that same line if they want to ride. At least it's equitable to all the guests who showed up that day and wanted a chance at it, like it used to be. Seems like Disney might be thinking the same with the lack of FastPass at GE's Opening. But then, they're also having GE in DL be reservation only at first, so it seems like a funny remix of the FastPass/Standby conceit.