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Mike S

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He did sense it, and in a very brief moment of fear, fear that all he had built and all he loved might be brought down by the Sith, thought that he could stop it. But it was his fear which like Yoda had said leads to the dark side that caused his world to fall. Which is what Snoke had wanted to happen. By twisting and seducing the "Prodigal Son" Ben Skywalker, Snoke brought about his revenge on the Jedi by exploiting the weakness of Luke, his proclivity to be impulsive. And it was in that moment of impulsiveness that he thought of using a lightsaber, a weapon that he had to cast aside in order to defeat the Sith at the end of Return of the Jedi, As a means of ending this new conflict. Hence Luke's rejection of the lightsaber (a extension of himself, the "Legend of Luke Skywalker") that Rey hands to him at the start of the film. A rejection that ends with Luke harnessing the Force in a way we have never seen before in order to keep the Rebels alive and by doing so restore the "Legend of Luke Skywalker" as shown by the kids at the end of the film telling his story...

I mean its like you didn't even watch the film.

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Jedi are not about being fighters!
He already learned that lesson in RotJ and was very successful with it. He shouldn’t have to learn it again. If Rey is able to sense light still in Kylo Luke would’ve seen it as well and wouldn’t have ever had the fear to kill him just like how he refused to kill Vader.

You’re also misenterpreting that quote. Jedis don’t seek fights but they do fight if they must.

People don’t like seeing heroes quit. Imagine if the Avengers just quit after Infinty War because of their colossal universal failure. Heroes in fiction are idolized because one of their defining traits is that they never give up and always stand for what’s right. They’re the people we wish we could be.
 
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peter11435

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He already learned that lesson in RotJ and was very successful with it. He shouldn’t have to learn it again. If Rey is able to sense light still in Kylo Luke would’ve seen it as well and wouldn’t have ever had the fear to kill him just like how he refused to kill Vader.

You’re also misenterpreting that quote. Jedis don’t seek fights but they do fight if they must.

People don’t like seeing heroes quit. Imagine if the Avengers just quit after Infinty War because of their colossal universal failure. Heroes in fiction are idolized because one of their defining traits is that they never give up and always stand for what’s right. They’re the people we wish we could be.
Luke is still a hero.
 

bclane

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And I never said that either. By “sense it” I have always been talking about Kylo’s struggle. Luke should’ve been able to see it as well.

And yes she is a Mary Sue. With absolutely no explanation as to why she’s done feats with the Force in a single day of knowing she could use it that others took time and training to accomplish. Remember, Luke could barely pull a Lightsaber in the beginning of ESB before going to Yoda. While training he had trouble with a few small rocks and couldn’t lift his X-Wing. Rey lifted a huge mass of boulders with seemingly no effort.

That was a cool trick at the end but that shouldn’t have been how he “died.” I was very disappointed when it revealed he wasn’t actually there. Maybe you think it’s fine, but many others disagree and wanted to see an actual fight involving Luke as an experienced Jedi.
I’m a fan of TLJ, but yeah, I was hoping to see Luke pull some Star Destroyers out of space and toss them around or Force crush him some gorilla walkers. That would have been epic. Maybe in the next one he’ll do it as a Force ghost. That would be pretty awesome.
 

ChewbaccaYourMum

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I mean its like you didn't even watch the film.

Dude, he's clearly seen the movie. I don't know why you keep bringing up this stupid statement.

Just because someone saw a movie, understood the messages, and didn't agree with it doesn't mean they are wrong. He's clearly writing to you valid points against all these things you keep bringing up as "such great writing and plot points" and you just try to belittle him that he doesn't "get it" or he couldn't have possibly seen the movie!?!
 

drod1985

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I’m a fan of TLJ, but yeah, I was hoping to see Luke pull some Star Destroyers out of space and toss them around or Force crush him some gorilla walkers. That would have been epic. Maybe in the next one he’ll do it as a Force ghost. That would be pretty awesome.

This is Star Wars we're talking about, not Dragon Ball Z. Knocking a Walker over would've been fine, but pulling a Star Destroyer out of space is just too much. There's got to be power limits or else there are no stakes.
 

ChewbaccaYourMum

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This is Star Wars we're talking about, not Dragon Ball Z. Knocking a Walker over would've been fine, but pulling a Star Destroyer out of space is just too much. There's got to be power limits or else there are no stakes.
Yeah a "throwing the lightsaber over your shoulder" and drinking alien titty milk Jedi is much better than an all powerful Jedi master Luke. The only thing fans were waiting to see after Return of the Jedi.
 

Movielover

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Dude, he's clearly seen the movie. I don't know why you keep bringing up this stupid statement.

Just because someone saw a movie, understood the messages, and didn't agree with it doesn't mean they are wrong. He's clearly writing to you valid points against all these things you keep bringing up as "such great writing and plot points" and you just try to belittle him that he doesn't "get it" or he couldn't have possibly seen the movie!?!

I mean clearly he doesn't understand the messages of the film... Also he was the one who kept bringing up his confusion with the movie...

Also love the hypocrisy of you belittling me about belittling someone who was belittling others about liking a movie...

Its a belittlelittlelittling! ;)
 

drod1985

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Yeah a "throwing the lightsaber over your shoulder" and drinking alien titty milk Jedi is much better than an all powerful Jedi master Luke. The only thing fans were waiting to see after Return of the Jedi.

Sorry to hear you didn't like TLJ. Hopefully Episode IX is more to your liking.

You know what's to my liking? Galaxy's Edge discussion in the Galaxy's Edge thread! 💡

Here's The Last Jedi thread in the Movies forum if anybody wants to discuss the film.
 

britain

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I personally felt that Return of the Jedi ended on a pacifism note. He threw away his lightsaber and put his hope in the hearts of his enemies. The end.

I never read the comics or the ensuing expanded universe. As far as I knew, Luke went on to be a pacifist leader for the new republic and never touched a lightsaber again.

To imagine a sequel where he is a "badass" and wipes out Star Destroyers with a flick of his wrist would miss the point, in my opinion. Sure, it LOOKS like he's fighting for the good, but it's on the path to the dark side.

The prequels reinforced this whole concept to me. Jedis talked into shifting from defenders to military generals were misdirected on to the path toward the dark side. I personally feel that this is the subtext to Mace Windu's purple lightsaber and his "He's too dangerous to be left alive" line. (It's also the brilliant part of the TLJ Pratorean Guard fight. Rey & Kylo, so close, so hard to detect where the line is... More of an Obi-Wan vs. Maul fight than a Qui-Gon vs. Maul fight. Rey & Kylo stand back to back like the positive and negative poles of a magnet.)

Then along comes a new set of films where it is said that Luke trained new jedi. Uh oh - I hope he didn't bring his lightsaber... Or at least, I hope he's keeping his eye on the 'defense, not attack' ball.

Rey presents Luke with his old lightsaber. What does he do? He throws it away OF COURSE.

Then we hear the tale of "What would you do if you went back in time and found sleeping young Hitler and you had a gun next to you." Would you take a moment to think about preventing the Holocaust and World War II? Would you think about it at least enough to pick up the gun? You've proven yourself a pacifist when it was about saving your father's soul and preventing your sister's corruption, but what about preventing the deaths of billions?

Luke considers it... and dang it, he falls into the same old trap humanity always falls into.

Ben might not have fallen at all if Luke would have given him a chance to choose for himself. But Luke pushed first, so Ben pushed back, and thus Luke created Kylo Ren.

No wonder Luke feels so ashamed. No wonder he cuts himself off of the force. No wonder he's cynical when Rey shows up. No wonder that his "Jedi lessons" are more 'anti-Jedi' training.

Ultimately, though, he realizes he can't hide from the war. But he faces Kylo on his terms. Without doing any real harm to Ben.

With peace and purpose.
 

Mike S

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Luke is still a hero.
I know. I own 3 movies that show just that.
I’m a fan of TLJ, but yeah, I was hoping to see Luke pull some Star Destroyers out of space and toss them around or Force crush him some gorilla walkers. That would have been epic. Maybe in the next one he’ll do it as a Force ghost. That would be pretty awesome.
Lol that would be a bit much. A recent fantasy of mine is seeing an emotional fight between Luke and Kylo after Luke witnesses Han’s murder and wasn’t just in the last few seconds of the movie. Of course he would've pulled back in the end and only held Kylo back so he could escape with the new heroes. In this scenario Rey is the first to pick up the Lightsaber and is outmatched by Kylo with Luke stepping in after. That way we’re able to watch her grow throughout the Trilogy while training under Luke and cheer when she’s finally able to best Kylo. The way it’s going now she’s already beat him twice so where’s the stakes. We know she can do it because we’ve seen her do it twice already.
 

Movielover

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I know. I own 3 movies that show just that.

Lol that would be a bit much. A recent fantasy of mine is seeing an emotional fight between Luke and Kylo after Luke witnesses Han’s murder and wasn’t just in the last few seconds of the movie. Of course he would've pulled back in the end and only held Kylo back so he could escape with the new heroes. In this scenario Rey is the first to pick up the Lightsaber and is outmatched by Kylo with Luke stepping in after. That way we’re able to watch her grow throughout the Trilogy while training under Luke and cheer when she’s finally able to best Kylo. The way it’s going now she’s already beat him twice so where’s the stakes. We know she can do it because we’ve seen her do it twice already.

Beaten him twice, really? In FA Kylo was injuried from Chewies blaster and was holding back against Rey who then tapped into the Dark Side to beat him. so he was at a disavantage. In TLJ you could say that was more or less a draw because of the lighsaber splitting apart and being knocked back by Holdo's sacrifice/kamakizie move. Again a draw, and really I don't see her actually beating Kylo in the third movie. Seems more like he will beat her with his turn from the Dark to the Light in a move that redeems his Skywalker name since he is the focused Skywalker of this trilogy.
 

CinematicFusion

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Yeah a "throwing the lightsaber over your shoulder" and drinking alien titty milk Jedi is much better than an all powerful Jedi master Luke. The only thing fans were waiting to see after Return of the Jedi.
I agree...how epic would it be to see Rey quit on everyone in the next episode. She should walk away from everything because that's what true Jedi do. All the fans will cheer at her drinking green milk and fishing. We've already seen her master everything in 48 hours during the first two films.
Fast forward 10 years and she should be in the quitting stage of the Jedi and then at the very end of the film she can use 'too much" force and die just like Luke. Because you know....that's how real life works. Fans will understand. It will be epic and unexpected.
 

Mike S

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I personally felt that Return of the Jedi ended on a pacifism note. He threw away his lightsaber and put his hope in the hearts of his enemies. The end.

I never read the comics or the ensuing expanded universe. As far as I knew, Luke went on to be a pacifist leader for the new republic and never touched a lightsaber again.

To imagine a sequel where he is a "badass" and wipes out Star Destroyers with a flick of his wrist would miss the point, in my opinion. Sure, it LOOKS like he's fighting for the good, but it's on the path to the dark side.

The prequels reinforced this whole concept to me. Jedis talked into shifting from defenders to military generals were misdirected on to the path toward the dark side. I personally feel that this is the subtext to Mace Windu's purple lightsaber and his "He's too dangerous to be left alive" line. (It's also the brilliant part of the TLJ Pratorean Guard fight. Rey & Kylo, so close, so hard to detect where the line is... More of an Obi-Wan vs. Maul fight than a Qui-Gon vs. Maul fight. Rey & Kylo stand back to back like the positive and negative poles of a magnet.)

Then along comes a new set of films where it is said that Luke trained new jedi. Uh oh - I hope he didn't bring his lightsaber... Or at least, I hope he's keeping his eye on the 'defense, not attack' ball.

Rey presents Luke with his old lightsaber. What does he do? He throws it away OF COURSE.

Then we hear the tale of "What would you do if you went back in time and found sleeping young Hitler and you had a gun next to you." Would you take a moment to think about preventing the Holocaust and World War II? Would you think about it at least enough to pick up the gun? You've proven yourself a pacifist when it was about saving your father's soul and preventing your sister's corruption, but what about preventing the deaths of billions?

Luke considers it... and dang it, he falls into the same old trap humanity always falls into.

Ben might not have fallen at all if Luke would have given him a chance to choose for himself. But Luke pushed first, so Ben pushed back, and thus Luke created Kylo Ren.

No wonder Luke feels so ashamed. No wonder he cuts himself off of the force. No wonder he's cynical when Rey shows up. No wonder that his "Jedi lessons" are more 'anti-Jedi' training.

Ultimately, though, he realizes he can't hide from the war. But he faces Kylo on his terms. Without doing any real harm to Ben.

With peace and purpose.
Pure pacifism would have him walked all over. You need to fight when it’s necessary which is why Jedi had lightsabers in the first place.
I agree...how epic would it be to see Rey quit on everyone in the next episode. She should walk away from everything because that's what true Jedi do. All the fans will cheer at her drinking green milk and fishing. We've already seen her master everything in 48 hours during the first two films.
Fast forward 10 years and she should be in the quitting stage of the Jedi and then at the very end of the film she can use 'too much" force and die just like Luke. Because you know....that's how real life works. Fans will understand. It will be epic and unexpected.
I want to see that so badly. What a subversion of expectations which we all know in itself makes movies great and immune from criticism.
 

ChewbaccaYourMum

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I mean clearly he doesn't understand the messages of the film... Also he was the one who kept bringing up his confusion with the movie...

Also love the hypocrisy of you belittling me about belittling someone who was belittling others about liking a movie...

Its a belittlelittlelittling! ;)
Actually, I believe it all started by someone bringing up that he doesn't agree with the hate for the movie and never will or something.
 

Mike S

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Beaten him twice, really? In FA Kylo was injuried from Chewies blaster and was holding back against Rey who then tapped into the Dark Side to beat him. so he was at a disavantage. In TLJ you could say that was more or less a draw because of the lighsaber splitting apart and being knocked back by Holdo's sacrifice/kamakizie move. Again a draw, and really I don't see her actually beating Kylo in the third movie. Seems more like he will beat her with his turn from the Dark to the Light in a move that redeems his Skywalker name since he is the focused Skywalker of this trilogy.
After only a day or two of using the Force she shouldn’t be able to “draw” with him in TLJ. It’s absurd. He should be able to handily beat her like Vader did to Luke due to the fact he’s much more experienced. This is also why I’m upset Snoke was unceremoniously killed off. He was the only one that could very easily best her and offer a real challenge.

@wdwmagic, @The Mom, if this is getting too off topic for you please just move these posts to the proper thread instead of outright deleting them. I’d like if the conversation could continue with all context preserved. Thanks.
 
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Movielover

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Actually, I believe it all started by someone bringing up that he doesn't agree with the hate for the movie and never will or something.

Actually, it started with someone expressing their displeasure with the movie (you should really re-read the thread better, its good for you health!)

Very excited for the new Star Wars land. The rides, shops...all of it. Unfortunately, I'm not excited for the next movie. Last Jedi punched me in the stomach and kept me from going to Solo in the theaters (Did see it on Vudu and now on Netflix, solid flick)....and I just can't get myself excited for the next movie. Still upset at the Last Jedi. OK..done venting.
Very very excited for the new Star Wars Land!
 

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