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Star Wars Land announced for Disney's Hollywood Studios

twebber55

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It's also why Star Wars is probably the only IP that could be the "Potter Swatter" that people have been looking for since 2010. Pandora has huge potential from a world-building perspective but it doesn't have the cultural cachet of Potter. Marvel has the cultural cachet but not the world-building. Star Wars is the only thing out there with both.
i agree

EDIT: if they go all in
 

marni1971

WDW History nut
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So the current plan at WDW is to keep Star Tours and make it part of the new Star Wars Land?
Current thought is potentially to keep and retheme.
 

doctornick

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That would be a terrible decision. A retheme might make sense, but that ride gobbles up crowds and it would be a mistake to give up that capacity.
And that would be a huge waste of money too. We complain about Disney cutting budgets or being wasteful and here are people saying to tear down a perfectly good ride. Re-theming would cost some money but not that much (the type of ride system is very easy to change to a different theme) and would keep a high capacity ride in a park that desperately needs attractions -- whatever theme that section of Echo Lake ends up being, Star Tours can be converted into something appropriate.

That said, I'm still a fan of keeping it as a Star Wars ride and just having a second mini-land around it with a different setting than the main Star Wars area.

Edit: I'll add that if they do end up re-theming Star Tours that that I hope whatever new thing goes there keeps the randomization of scenes. I think that really adds to the impact.
 
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doctornick

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The ST ride system is very limiting. Maybe not as far as what IPs you can stick in there (virtually anything), but as far as doing the IP justice.
I don't see how it is "limiting". Well, I mean any system is "limiting" in some fashion, of course, but the ride system is perfectly fine and enjoyable. In fact, Disney and other parks continue to use the technology, as for example with the Iron Man ride being built in Hong Kong.

I've said before, but I think people harp way to much on fancy new ride systems, when execution is far more important. You can use old technology and have a fantastic attraction if done well -- and you can use new tech and have it be poor. There's nothing about the Star Tours system that prevents it from housing a good and popular ride (as Star Tours 2.0 most certainly is) and the specifics of the system make it conducive to being re-themed if necessary unlike some other more custom ride layouts.

Take Despicable Me at Uni for example... you think they don't regret putting their most popular animated IP into a limiting Ride system? They most certainly do.
Not sure what this means. The "issue" with the Depicable Me ride is capacity, not the ride system per se. Capacity is absolutely horrendous for that attraction -- but Uni is limited by space issues. I they had the land availability of WDW, they sure wouldn't have added more rooms for DM and allowed capacity to be more appropriate. That wouldn't have required a different ride system.
 

Next Big Thing

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I don't see how it is "limiting". Well, I mean any system is "limiting" in some fashion, of course, but the ride system is perfectly fine and enjoyable. In fact, Disney and other parks continue to use the technology, as for example with the Iron Man ride being built in Hong Kong.
I've already said the system could be used for almost any IP in the world. That doesn't mean they should though.

Also, since when are we defending the use of the ST system for HK's Iron Man ride? It's laughable that they would take a property with so much popularity and theme park potential and shoehorn it into a ride like that.
 

doctornick

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I've already said the system could be used for almost any IP in the world. That doesn't mean they should though.

Also, since when are we defending the use of the ST system for HK's Iron Man ride? It's laughable that they would take a property with so much popularity and theme park potential and shoehorn it into a ride like that.
You haven't really indicated any reason why that ride system is bad, other than comparing it to a "D-Box" theater (which sells it way short IMHO). I think Star Tours is a fantastic ride. Certainly, the Iron Man Experience could be as well.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with using "old" technology as long as it works for the experience you are building.
 

CaptainAmerica

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You haven't really indicated any reason why that ride system is bad. I think Star Tours is a fantastic ride. Certainly, the Iron Man Experience could be as well.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with using "old" technology as long as it works for the experience you are building.
Though we don't know much about Iron Man yet, I think there needs to be some obvious thematic reason to set a ride inside a vehicle for the system to work effectively. Star Tours works because the in-universe Starspeeder 3000 is the same size and shape of the simulator and it looks and feels like it belongs in that world. Since Iron Man is set in the "real world," I don't see anything immediate analogous that will feel as natural.
 

doctornick

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totally agree
hard to make a land about Marvel or Transformers but easy to make a great attraction
thats why i think Cars, Pandora, or Potter are different
You gotta be able to sell the environment
Indeed. Many things are far more conducive to individual attractions than full lands. That's a reason why I have a concern about the trend to build IP focused lands rather than more generic places with IP attractions that fit. It's only the occasional IP that works well to making an immersive land.

To be honest, that's why I'm not that bothered if "Phase 3" doesn't end up as a full land, but is just individual attractions in different places. In fact, I think I'd prefer if any new land at DHS be more generic -- like a non-specific Pixar Place -- because it is far more flexible.
 

Next Big Thing

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You haven't really indicated any reason why that ride system is bad, other than comparing it to a "D-Box" theater (which sells it way short IMHO). I think Star Tours is a fantastic ride. Certainly, the Iron Man Experience could be as well.

There's absolutely nothing wrong with using "old" technology as long as it works for the experience you are building.
My point isn't that it's "old" technology. Omnimovers are great. The point is that it's a screen-based ride. Compareed to virtually any other screen-based attraction in Orlando, it feels ancient. Screen technology dates itself much faster than something like Haunted Mansion, which is timeless.

I'm sure the IM Experience will be fine, but I can think of so many better ways for them to have implemented the character. Stark Tower drop ride? Flying Coaster? Bench ride like FJ? A combination of a few to form a mini-land?

But tbh, I don't want to lose ST. All i'm saying is if we have to, i'd rather it be replaced with something completely new (which I know won't happen).
 

doctornick

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Though we don't know much about Iron Man yet, I think there needs to be some obvious thematic reason to set a ride inside a vehicle for the system to work effectively. Star Tours works because the in-universe Starspeeder 3000 is the same size and shape of the simulator and it looks and feels like it belongs in that world. Since Iron Man is set in the "real world," I don't see anything immediate analogous that will feel as natural.
The Starspeeder was made up for the ride, no? I don't think it existing in Star Wars before hand. Why couldn't Tony Stark invent some tour vehicle as part of the ride story?

I don't have a problem when I ride Spider-Man that a Scoop vehicle doesn't exist in the real world (or comics AFAIK).
 

CaptainAmerica

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The Starspeeder was made up for the ride, no? I don't think it existing in Star Wars before hand. Why couldn't Tony Stark invent some tour vehicle as part of the ride story?

I don't have a problem when I ride Spider-Man that a Scoop vehicle doesn't exist in the real world (or comics AFAIK).
Yes, the Starspeeder was created for the ride, but it fits in the universe from a look-and-feel perspective, and I immediately believe that it would exist in that world without needing to be told why. I think that's much harder to achieve when the characters are based in the "real world." Some throwaway line about Stark Industries creating a new flying tour vehicle would feel more out of place.
 

Mawg

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Genuinely interested in why you say this? Personal reasons? Do you just not like it? Does ride data show that this should happen?

Every time we ride it (which is about 10/15 times a trip, 3/4 times a year), riders break out into applause and there is always a line and lots of people talking about how they loved the ride when they disembark. I realize this is one experience, but I'm interested in yours.
Actually, I'm trying to put personal reasons aside. I love the ride. Love Star Wars and the best part is that it is always different, it eats people and you can ride it multiple times in a trip and not get bored. But to keep it as is makes no sense as others have said. It would be difficult to connect it to the new StarWars land and to keep it without connecting it with Muppets in the middle makes for a bad layout of a Park I would like to see become great. So what's left, a re-theme is most likely and also likely is to get the same theme Disneyland gets. Both a re-theme and to give it what DL gets are the cheapest routes which Disney is known for. There are not many IP's that fit in both parks and no themes that would allow for the multiple random scenes that make this attraction great and repeatable (It'll become the same show over and over). The ride system itself is very old and out dated making the content very important to its success. You could put Muppets in Space in there and complete the Muppetland, but that land would have two screen based 3D attractions. What will Disney Do? Probably keep it and re-theme it. What do I want? Keep it Star Tours up until the new land is open updating with new scenes from movies, then announce a Phase 3, bulldoze it and build something entirely new. It's the expensive option and will most likely never happen. But, just my opinion, not an insider.
 

MonkeyHead

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Yes, the Starspeeder was created for the ride, but it fits in the universe from a look-and-feel perspective, and I immediately believe that it would exist in that world without needing to be told why. I think that's much harder to achieve when the characters are based in the "real world." Some throwaway line about Stark Industries creating a new flying tour vehicle would feel more out of place.
You're talking about a world where SHIELD helicarriers are normal and their cars have vertical take off capability.

And a man flies around in a metal suit.
 

doctornick

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Yes, the Starspeeder was created for the ride, but it fits in the universe from a look-and-feel perspective, and I immediately believe that it would exist in that world without needing to be told why. I think that's much harder to achieve when the characters are based in the "real world." Some throwaway line about Stark Industries creating a new flying tour vehicle would feel more out of place.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't think that would be the case. I'm under the impression that the theme of the Iron Man ride is some sort of Stark Expo, so having some new fangled transport there that the guests are going to ride could be seamlessly incorporated (before the inevitable "something goes wrong" storyline that drives the actual ride plot). I figure it will be like the Peoplemover being exhibited at the World's Fair.
 

Brian Swan

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Ant-Man would work great as an "Adventure Thru Inner Space" type ride.
Classic Disneyland fans would gobble it up for sure.
Someone had WAY too much time on their hands. But this is very well done; I had a chance to ride it once (a long time ago) and this is how I remember it. If only someone could do this for some of the WDW "lost attractions"...
 
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