News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[ctrlaltdel]

What if the ride vehicles could go anywhere they wanted in the building? It would be completely random as long as they hit certain areas. After eight minutes, they go to the final scene sequence and let you out.

I guess that could be cool, but I think practically that would be a complete mess. Both from a story perspective and an operations perspective. There could be multiple plots and outcomes, but I think a completely random ride would be way too avant garde.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

For a building the size of an old school Epcot attraction, and yet the ride lasts approximately 8 min...

What?!

 

[marni1971]

Educated guesstimate.

 

[marni1971]

What if the ride vehicles could go anywhere they wanted in the building? It would be completely random as long as they hit certain areas. After eight minutes, they go to the final scene sequence and let you out.

Ride paths are pre determined. The ride system will give the appearance of some randomness. It won't all be like an alley or a street as seen in Transformers for example.

 

[marni1971]

What if they are building identical rides on the 1st and 2nd floor for capacity reasons?.

They aren't.

That could mean the vehicles burn through there fast (like Radiator Springs Racers). But these are supposed to be like Mystic Manor vehicles.....

So... probably a big chunk of the building is actually elaborate show queue, but alternate paths might explain it too.

Expect ride vehicle stops. More than once.

And yes, probably around 50% of what you see as a footprint will be ride, on two floors. The rest is part of the queue and also vehicle maintenance.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

I wish I didn't know that this ride will only be 8 minutes.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I wish I didn't know that this ride will only be 8 minutes.

Why 'only' 8 minutes? You think that's too short? It's seems rather normal...

Barnstormer 1.0
Primeval Whirl 1.2
Rock 'N' Roller Coaster 1.4
Astro Orbiter 1.5
Dumbo the Flying Elephant 1.5
Mad Tea Party 1.5
Magic Carpets of Aladdin 1.5
TriceraTop Spin 1.5
Prince Charminng's Royal Carrousel 2.0
Snow White's Scary Adventures 2.4
Seven Dwarfs Mine Train 2.5
Space Mountain 2.5
Peter Pan's Flight 2.7
Expedition Everest 2.9
Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh 3.1
Dinosaur 3.2
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad 3.4
Kali River Rapids 3.5
Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin 4.0
The Seas with Nemo and Friends 4.0
Test Track 4.0
Flight of Passage 4.5
Tomorrowland Indy Speedway 4.8
Frozen Ever After 5.0
Soarin' 5.0
Star Tours 5.0
Twilight Zone Tower of Terror 5.0
Na'vi River Journey 5.0
Mission SPACE 5.6
Under the Sea - Journey of the Little Mermaid 6.4
Haunted Mansion 7.5
Toy Story Midway Mania 8.0
It's Tough to be a Bug 8.0
Star Wars Battle Escape (Alactraz) 8.0
Gran Fiesta Tour Starring the Three Caballeros 8.1
Pirates of the Caribbean 8.5
Jungle Cruise 9.1
Enchanted Tiki Room 10.0
Tomorrowland Transit Authority Peoplemover 10.1
It's a Small World 10.5
Monster's Inc. Laugh Floor 11.0
Splash Mountain 11.0
Journey into Imagination with Figment 11.0
Country Bear Jamboree 12.0
Mickey's PhilharMagic 12.0
Reflections of China 12.5
Liberty Square Riverboat 12.7
Swiss Family Treehouse 13.1
Living with the Land 13.8
Voyage of the Little Mermaid 14.5
Stitch's Great Escape 15.0
Spaceship Earth 15.0
Turtle Talk with Crush 15.0
Muppet Vision 3-D 17.0
Impressions de France 18.0
O Canada! 18.0
Kilimanjaro Safari 18.5
Great Movie Ride 18.7
Circle of Life 19.3
Walt Disney Railroad 20.0
Disney Junior - Live on Stage 20.0
Carousel of Progress 20.7
Hall of Presidents 22.8
Walt Disney - One Man's Dream 25.0
Flights of Wonder 25.0
American Adventure 28.5
Beauty and the Beast Stage Show 30.0
Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular 30.0
Festival of the Lion King 30.0
Finding Nemo - The Musical 30.0
Lights, Motor, Action! Extreme Stunt Show 35.0
Universe of Energy 45.0

 

[Deleted member 107043]

Why 'only' 8 minutes? You think that's too short? It's seems rather normal...

Barnstormer 1.0
Primeval Whirl 1.2
Rock 'N' Roller Coaster 1.4
Astro Orbiter 1.5
Dumbo the Flying Elephant 1.5
Mad Tea Party 1.5
Magic Carpets of Aladdin 1.5
TriceraTop Spin 1.5
Prince Charminng's Royal Carrousel 2.0
Snow White's Scary Adventures 2.4
Seven Dwarfs Mine Train 2.5
Space Mountain 2.5
Peter Pan's Flight 2.7
Expedition Everest 2.9
Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh 3.1
Dinosaur 3.2
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad 3.4
Kali River Rapids 3.5
Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin 4.0
The Seas with Nemo and Friends 4.0
Test Track 4.0
Flight of Passage 4.5
Tomorrowland Indy Speedway 4.8
Frozen Ever After 5.0
Soarin' 5.0
Star Tours 5.0
Twilight Zone Tower of Terror 5.0
Na'vi River Journey 5.0
Mission SPACE 5.6
Under the Sea - Journey of the Little Mermaid 6.4
Haunted Mansion 7.5
Toy Story Midway Mania 8.0
It's Tough to be a Bug 8.0
Star Wars Battle Escape (Alactraz) 8.0
Gran Fiesta Tour Starring the Three Caballeros 8.1
Pirates of the Caribbean 8.5
Jungle Cruise 9.1
Enchanted Tiki Room 10.0
Tomorrowland Transit Authority Peoplemover 10.1
It's a Small World 10.5
Monster's Inc. Laugh Floor 11.0
Splash Mountain 11.0
Journey into Imagination with Figment 11.0
Country Bear Jamboree 12.0
Mickey's PhilharMagic 12.0
Reflections of China 12.5
Liberty Square Riverboat 12.7
Swiss Family Treehouse 13.1
Living with the Land 13.8
Voyage of the Little Mermaid 14.5
Stitch's Great Escape 15.0
Spaceship Earth 15.0
Turtle Talk with Crush 15.0
Muppet Vision 3-D 17.0
Impressions de France 18.0
O Canada! 18.0
Kilimanjaro Safari 18.5
Great Movie Ride 18.7
Circle of Life 19.3
Walt Disney Railroad 20.0
Disney Junior - Live on Stage 20.0
Carousel of Progress 20.7
Hall of Presidents 22.8
Walt Disney - One Man's Dream 25.0
Flights of Wonder 25.0
American Adventure 28.5
Beauty and the Beast Stage Show 30.0
Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular 30.0
Festival of the Lion King 30.0
Finding Nemo - The Musical 30.0
Lights, Motor, Action! Extreme Stunt Show 35.0
Universe of Energy 45.0

Most, if not all, of the rides 8 minutes or less in length aren't housed in a 2-story 4 acre building.

On a side note I'm impressed that you had all of that data at your fingertips.

 

[Burgower1994]

AbletoArt made this cool map of star wars land I don't know how accurate it is but love the details!

 

[britain]

Why 'only' 8 minutes? You think that's too short? It's seems rather normal...

Barnstormer 1.0
Primeval Whirl 1.2
Rock 'N' Roller Coaster 1.4
Astro Orbiter 1.5
Dumbo the Flying Elephant 1.5
Mad Tea Party 1.5
Magic Carpets of Aladdin 1.5
TriceraTop Spin 1.5
Prince Charminng's Royal Carrousel 2.0
Snow White's Scary Adventures 2.4
Seven Dwarfs Mine Train 2.5
Space Mountain 2.5
Peter Pan's Flight 2.7
Expedition Everest 2.9
Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh 3.1
Dinosaur 3.2
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad 3.4
Kali River Rapids 3.5
Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin 4.0
The Seas with Nemo and Friends 4.0
Test Track 4.0
Flight of Passage 4.5
Tomorrowland Indy Speedway 4.8
Frozen Ever After 5.0
Soarin' 5.0
Star Tours 5.0
Twilight Zone Tower of Terror 5.0
Na'vi River Journey 5.0
Mission SPACE 5.6
Under the Sea - Journey of the Little Mermaid 6.4
Haunted Mansion 7.5
Toy Story Midway Mania 8.0
It's Tough to be a Bug 8.0
Star Wars Battle Escape (Alactraz) 8.0
Gran Fiesta Tour Starring the Three Caballeros 8.1
Pirates of the Caribbean 8.5
Jungle Cruise 9.1
Enchanted Tiki Room 10.0
Tomorrowland Transit Authority Peoplemover 10.1
It's a Small World 10.5
Monster's Inc. Laugh Floor 11.0
Splash Mountain 11.0
Journey into Imagination with Figment 11.0
Country Bear Jamboree 12.0
Mickey's PhilharMagic 12.0
Reflections of China 12.5
Liberty Square Riverboat 12.7
Swiss Family Treehouse 13.1
Living with the Land 13.8
Voyage of the Little Mermaid 14.5
Stitch's Great Escape 15.0
Spaceship Earth 15.0
Turtle Talk with Crush 15.0
Muppet Vision 3-D 17.0
Impressions de France 18.0
O Canada! 18.0
Kilimanjaro Safari 18.5
Great Movie Ride 18.7
Circle of Life 19.3
Walt Disney Railroad 20.0
Disney Junior - Live on Stage 20.0
Carousel of Progress 20.7
Hall of Presidents 22.8
Walt Disney - One Man's Dream 25.0
Flights of Wonder 25.0
American Adventure 28.5
Beauty and the Beast Stage Show 30.0
Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular 30.0
Festival of the Lion King 30.0
Finding Nemo - The Musical 30.0
Lights, Motor, Action! Extreme Stunt Show 35.0
Universe of Energy 45.0

Helpful list, thanks! Look at that fat 45 minutes for Universe of Energy!

Moving up from there (or moving shorter from there) it's shows... the railroad... then we get to two big 'Thesis' attractions, Kilimanjaro Safari and Great Movie Ride at 18+ min. Then more shows... Another thesis attraction: Spaceship Earth at 15 min. Then shows... Land and Imagination... more shows... riverboat... then we finally get to the longest Magic Kingdom RIDE ride, Splash Mountain, at 11 min.

Splash Mountain feels like it ends after the big drop, and then it's a pleasant wait floating past things on your way to unload. The Zip-a-Dee-Lady notwithstanding, the bulk of the Splash Mountain experience is in its first 8 minutes.

8 min is in a fine ballpark. I'm also especially comforted by the fact that Haunted Mansion is 7.5 min. I'm assuming that's the doom buggy portion only. If battle escape is going to have great queue/show before its ride just like Mansion has the stretching room, then I don't think we'll feel short changed.

 

[SteveAZee]

Because you'd want to be up by the head where all the action is.

Phrasing?

 

[ctrlaltdel]

8 mins should be fine. I'm sure it's gonna be a lot more fast paced than your classic Disney dark rides, probably more akin to IJA (although I'm assuming not quite so bumpy). If it was only 5 minutes, I'd be a little concerned, but with the tone I'm expecting from this ride, there is such a thing as lasting too long.

Although, honestly, I'm looking most forward to the queue. If it's as incredible as the insiders have made it seem, then I think we're for a real treat.

 

[Deleted member 107043]

You guys I'm not bothered by a Disneyland ride that's 8 minutes long. I'm just surprised that a ride housed in such an enormous building lasts only 8 minutes.

 

[GrizzlyAdams]

I'd be more worried about being short changed by the Millenium Falcon ride. If they go all elaborate for one and then do a Navi River ride for the other.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

You guys I'm not bothered by a Disneyland ride that's 8 minutes long. I'm just surprised that a ride housed in such an enormous building only lasts 8 minutes.

This has always been a fascination for me. I often wonder what % of the show building is actually dedicated to "show" itself vs infrastructure. I want to say its probably 70-30 in favor of "show", but I could be way wrong.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Most, if not all, of the rides 8 minutes or less in length aren't housed in a 2-story 4 acre building.

On a side note I'm impressed that you had all of that data at your fingertips.

Needed it for another argument in another thread.

You guys I'm not bothered by a Disneyland ride that's 8 minutes long. I'm just surprised that a ride housed in such an enormous building lasts only 8 minutes.

Themed roller coasters take up a huge amount of space, yet, their rides are short because they're fast. I expect 'Alcatraz' to be fast-paced.

 

[mickEblu]

Why 'only' 8 minutes? You think that's too short? It's seems rather normal...

Barnstormer 1.0
Primeval Whirl 1.2
Rock 'N' Roller Coaster 1.4
Astro Orbiter 1.5
Dumbo the Flying Elephant 1.5
Mad Tea Party 1.5
Magic Carpets of Aladdin 1.5
TriceraTop Spin 1.5
Prince Charminng's Royal Carrousel 2.0
Snow White's Scary Adventures 2.4
Seven Dwarfs Mine Train 2.5
Space Mountain 2.5
Peter Pan's Flight 2.7
Expedition Everest 2.9
Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh 3.1
Dinosaur 3.2
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad 3.4
Kali River Rapids 3.5
Buzz Lightyear's Space Ranger Spin 4.0
The Seas with Nemo and Friends 4.0
Test Track 4.0
Flight of Passage 4.5
Tomorrowland Indy Speedway 4.8
Frozen Ever After 5.0
Soarin' 5.0
Star Tours 5.0
Twilight Zone Tower of Terror 5.0
Na'vi River Journey 5.0
Mission SPACE 5.6
Under the Sea - Journey of the Little Mermaid 6.4
Haunted Mansion 7.5
Toy Story Midway Mania 8.0
It's Tough to be a Bug 8.0
Star Wars Battle Escape (Alactraz) 8.0
Gran Fiesta Tour Starring the Three Caballeros 8.1
Pirates of the Caribbean 8.5
Jungle Cruise 9.1
Enchanted Tiki Room 10.0
Tomorrowland Transit Authority Peoplemover 10.1
It's a Small World 10.5
Monster's Inc. Laugh Floor 11.0
Splash Mountain 11.0
Journey into Imagination with Figment 11.0
Country Bear Jamboree 12.0
Mickey's PhilharMagic 12.0
Reflections of China 12.5
Liberty Square Riverboat 12.7
Swiss Family Treehouse 13.1
Living with the Land 13.8
Voyage of the Little Mermaid 14.5
Stitch's Great Escape 15.0
Spaceship Earth 15.0
Turtle Talk with Crush 15.0
Muppet Vision 3-D 17.0
Impressions de France 18.0
O Canada! 18.0
Kilimanjaro Safari 18.5
Great Movie Ride 18.7
Circle of Life 19.3
Walt Disney Railroad 20.0
Disney Junior - Live on Stage 20.0
Carousel of Progress 20.7
Hall of Presidents 22.8
Walt Disney - One Man's Dream 25.0
Flights of Wonder 25.0
American Adventure 28.5
Beauty and the Beast Stage Show 30.0
Indiana Jones Epic Stunt Spectacular 30.0
Festival of the Lion King 30.0
Finding Nemo - The Musical 30.0
Lights, Motor, Action! Extreme Stunt Show 35.0
Universe of Energy 45.0

POTC at DL is only 8.5 minutes? Or is that the WDW version?

 

[SSG]

POTC at DL is only 8.5 minutes? Or is that the WDW version?

Yeah, its gotta be 12-13 minutes at DL.

 

[NobodyElse]

POTC at DL is only 8.5 minutes? Or is that the WDW version?

That's got to be the WDW version. I think in Anaheim it's closer to 14-15 minutes.

 

[FerretAfros]

You guys I'm not bothered by a Disneyland ride that's 8 minutes long. I'm just surprised that a ride housed in such an enormous building lasts only 8 minutes.

This is what gets me. As I've said before (and will likely say again), my biggest problem with the Star Wars project is how careless it is with real estate. It just doesn't make sense for Disneyland's compact scale and clever use of space throughout the rest of the park

For reference, 165,000SF is larger than the Jungle Cruise, it's larger than Pirates and all of the New Orleans Square shops and restaurants, it's larger than all of Critter Country. For those familiar with WDW's massive attractions, it's significantly bigger than the Universe of Energy, The Great Movie Ride, or the new combined Avatar building; it's almost as large as the infamously-sprawling Land pavilion, with it's 3 attractions, 2 restaurants, and massive greenhouses. It's roughly the same size as Star Tours, the Space Mountain Complex, Pizza Port, and the Carousel Theater combined.

It will be the single biggest footprint structure that Disney has ever built, about 1/3 bigger than the next closest (the Contemporary convention center in WDW). All for a single attraction that will last about 8 minutes. It just doesn't make sense.

I have a similar complaint with Carsland, which devotes about 5.5 acres to a single attraction (roughly the same size as The Land pavilion), but at least DCA has always been built on a larger scale (though with terrible use of space) so it somewhat fits the park. Then again, DCA's poor spacing of elements (and general haphazard layout) has been a complaint of mine since my first visit.

The limited land surrounding the park is all Disneyland has for future expansion. Once it's gone, there really aren't any other options for true additions to the park. If we have to give up DL's past (the original River) and DL's future (any meaningful chance at expansion), they need to make the most of this opportunity. Although I'm sure the details will be very well executed, like all recent WDI projects, I just can't help but see how terribly they're using the park's limited resources. It just seems very shortsighted, which I guess is typical of the current management approach