News Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge - Historical Construction/Impressions

[TP2000]

POTC at DL is only 8.5 minutes? Or is that the WDW version?

Pirates at Disneyland is 15 to 15.5 minutes long (depending if you get stopped at the bottom of the lift).

Small World at Disneyland is 14 minutes long.

The WDW versions of cloned rides are generally shorter.

 

[mickEblu]

This is what gets me. As I've said before (and will likely say again), my biggest problem with the Star Wars project is how careless it is with real estate. It just doesn't make sense for Disneyland's compact scale and clever use of space throughout the rest of the park

For reference, 165,000SF is larger than the Jungle Cruise, it's larger than Pirates and all of the New Orleans Square shops and restaurants, it's larger than all of Critter Country. For those familiar with WDW's massive attractions, it's significantly bigger than the Universe of Energy, The Great Movie Ride, or the new combined Avatar building; it's almost as large as the infamously-sprawling Land pavilion, with it's 3 attractions, 2 restaurants, and massive greenhouses. It's roughly the same size as Star Tours, the Space Mountain Complex, Pizza Port, and the Carousel Theater combined.

It will be the single biggest footprint structure that Disney has ever built, about 1/3 bigger than the next closest (the Contemporary convention center in WDW). All for a single attraction that will last about 8 minutes. It just doesn't make sense.

I have a similar complaint with Carsland, which devotes about 5.5 acres to a single attraction (roughly the same size as The Land pavilion), but at least DCA has always been built on a larger scale (though with terrible use of space) so it somewhat fits the park. Then again, DCA's poor spacing of elements (and general haphazard layout) has been a complaint of mine since my first visit.

The limited land surrounding the park is all Disneyland has for future expansion. Once it's gone, there really aren't any other options for true additions to the park. If we have to give up DL's past (the original River) and DL's future (any meaningful chance at expansion), they need to make the most of this opportunity. Although I'm sure the details will be very well executed, like all recent WDI projects, I just can't help but see how terribly they're using the park's limited resources. It just seems very shortsighted, which I guess is typical of the current management approach

That was one of my biggest gripes about SWL to begin with. Too much space for one IP.

 

[mickEblu]

Pirates at Disneyland is 15 to 15.5 minutes long (depending if you get stopped at the bottom of the lift).

Small World at Disneyland is 14 minutes long.

The WDW versions of cloned rides are generally shorter.

Uh oh. Looks like we gotta fact Check that list.

EDIT: NM looks like that's a WDW list of ride times... which is kind of confusing since we re in a DL forum.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

I think something that's being left out of the "length" discussion is the ride speed.

8 minutes going the pace of Haunted Mansion, sure, you're not gonna cover that much terrain.
But, an 8 minute adventure the speed of say, Indiana Jones, you could easily whisk yourself through that big structure.

Also, I don't know if the "stops" are factored into the time table or not.

 

[TP2000]

Uh oh. Looks like we gotta fact Check that list.

EDIT: NM looks like that's a WDW list of ride times... which is kind of confusing since we re in a DL forum.

Yes, it was very kind and helpful of @MisterPenguin to drop that here. But it's a WDW list, that also includes stage shows.

I have half a mind to create a similar list for Disneyland Resort that just uses rides. It's going to be a long list though, since Disneyland Resort's two parks have more rides than WDW's four parks combined. But first, I need to run some errands...

 

[mickEblu]

Yes, it was very kind and helpful of @MisterPenguin to drop that here. But it's a WDW list, that also includes stage shows.

I have half a mind to create a similar list for Disneyland Resort that just uses rides. It's going to be a long list though, since Disneyland Resort's two parks have more rides than WDW's four parks combined. But first, I need to run some errands...

Yes thanks Senor Penguin.

That would be very kind Sir TP.

 

[Phroobar]

Here is the Disneyland one minus the shows and meet & greets.

Gadget's Go Coaster 1 minutes
Astro Orbitor 1.5 minutes
Mad Tea Party 1.5 minutes
Dumbo the Flying Elephant 1.67 minutes
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride 2 minutes
Snow White's Scary Adventures 2 minutes
King Arthur Carrousel 3 minutes
Peter Pan's Flight 3 minutes
Pinocchio's Daring Journey 3 minutes
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad 3.5 minutes
Alice in Wonderland 4 minutes
Casey Jr. Circus Train 4 minutes
Matterhorn Bobsleds 4 minutes
Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin 4 minutes
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh 4 minutes
Autopia 4.5 minutes
Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters 4.5 minutes
Space Mountain 5 minutes
Main Street Vehicles 7 minutes
Star Tours: The Adventures Continue 7 minutes
Jungle Cruise 7.5 minutes
Haunted Mansion 9 minutes
Storybook Land Canal Boats 9.5 minutes
Davy Crockett's Explorer Canoes 10 minutes
Indiana Jones Adventure 10 minutes
Splash Mountain 11 minutes
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage 13 minutes
it's a small world 14 minutes
Sailing Ship Columbia 14 minutes
Enchanted Tiki Room 14.5 minutes
Disneyland Monorail 15 minutes
Pirates of the Caribbean 15 minutes
The Disneyland Story presenting Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln 16 minutes
Mark Twain Riverboat 18 minutes
Disneyland Railroad Main Street Station 22 minutes

 

[Phroobar]

Here is the DCA attractions minus shows and M&G.

Jumpin' Jellyfish 1 minutes
Francis' Ladybug Boogie 1 minutes
Luigi's Rollickin' Roadsters 1.3 minutes
Goofy's Sky School 1.5 minutes
Flik's Flyers 1.5 minutes
Silly Symphony Swings - Single 2 minutes
Mater's Junkyard Jamboree 2 minutes
King Triton's Carousel 2 minutes
Heimlich's Chew Chew Train 2 minutes
Tuck and Roll's Drive 'Em Buggies 2 minutes
Golden Zephyr 2.5 minutes
California Screamin' 4 minutes
Soarin' Around the World 4.5 minutes
Monsters, Inc. Mike & Sulley to the Rescue! 5 minutes
Guardians of the Galaxy – Mission: BREAKOUT! 6 minutes
Radiator Springs Racers 6 minutes
The Little Mermaid ~ Ariel's Undersea Adventure 7 minutes
Grizzly River Run 7 minutes
Toy Story Midway Mania! 8 minutes
Mickey's Fun Wheel - Non Swinging 9 minutes
It's Tough to Be a Bug! 10 minutes
Red Car Trolley 11 minutes

 

[mickEblu]

Here is the Disneyland one minus the shows and meet & greets.

Gadget's Go Coaster 1 minutes
Astro Orbitor 1.5 minutes
Mad Tea Party 1.5 minutes
Dumbo the Flying Elephant 1.67 minutes
Mr. Toad's Wild Ride 2 minutes
Snow White's Scary Adventures 2 minutes
King Arthur Carrousel 3 minutes
Peter Pan's Flight 3 minutes
Pinocchio's Daring Journey 3 minutes
Big Thunder Mountain Railroad 3.5 minutes
Alice in Wonderland 4 minutes
Casey Jr. Circus Train 4 minutes
Matterhorn Bobsleds 4 minutes
Roger Rabbit's Car Toon Spin 4 minutes
The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh 4 minutes
Autopia 4.5 minutes
Buzz Lightyear Astro Blasters 4.5 minutes
Space Mountain 5 minutes
Main Street Vehicles 7 minutes
Star Tours: The Adventures Continue 7 minutes
Jungle Cruise 7.5 minutes
Haunted Mansion 9 minutes
Storybook Land Canal Boats 9.5 minutes
Davy Crockett's Explorer Canoes 10 minutes
Indiana Jones Adventure 10 minutes
Splash Mountain 11 minutes
Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage 13 minutes
it's a small world 14 minutes
Sailing Ship Columbia 14 minutes
Enchanted Tiki Room 14.5 minutes
Disneyland Monorail 15 minutes
Pirates of the Caribbean 15 minutes
The Disneyland Story presenting Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln 16 minutes
Mark Twain Riverboat 18 minutes
Disneyland Railroad Main Street Station 22 minutes

These seem pretty spot on. The one that sticks out to me is Indy. 10 minutes? I would have guessed 5 or 6.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

These seem pretty spot on. The one that sticks out to me is Indy. 10 minutes? I would have guessed 5 or 6.

I think they were factoring in the breakdowns.

 

[Professortango1]

This is what gets me. As I've said before (and will likely say again), my biggest problem with the Star Wars project is how careless it is with real estate. It just doesn't make sense for Disneyland's compact scale and clever use of space throughout the rest of the park

For reference, 165,000SF is larger than the Jungle Cruise, it's larger than Pirates and all of the New Orleans Square shops and restaurants, it's larger than all of Critter Country. For those familiar with WDW's massive attractions, it's significantly bigger than the Universe of Energy, The Great Movie Ride, or the new combined Avatar building; it's almost as large as the infamously-sprawling Land pavilion, with it's 3 attractions, 2 restaurants, and massive greenhouses. It's roughly the same size as Star Tours, the Space Mountain Complex, Pizza Port, and the Carousel Theater combined.

It will be the single biggest footprint structure that Disney has ever built, about 1/3 bigger than the next closest (the Contemporary convention center in WDW). All for a single attraction that will last about 8 minutes. It just doesn't make sense.

I have a similar complaint with Carsland, which devotes about 5.5 acres to a single attraction (roughly the same size as The Land pavilion), but at least DCA has always been built on a larger scale (though with terrible use of space) so it somewhat fits the park. Then again, DCA's poor spacing of elements (and general haphazard layout) has been a complaint of mine since my first visit.

The limited land surrounding the park is all Disneyland has for future expansion. Once it's gone, there really aren't any other options for true additions to the park. If we have to give up DL's past (the original River) and DL's future (any meaningful chance at expansion), they need to make the most of this opportunity. Although I'm sure the details will be very well executed, like all recent WDI projects, I just can't help but see how terribly they're using the park's limited resources. It just seems very shortsighted, which I guess is typical of the current management approach

You don't think building an expansive giant attraction with dozens of AA's, physical sets, and groundbreaking technology is N appropriate use? I'd rather have a few more IJA scaled attractions and fewer meet and greets/shops.

Plus, we dont know how much of the building is going to feature shops, queue, restaurants, etc.

And Disneyland still has all of Autopia, Subs, Motorboat Cruise, Innoventions, Buzz Lightyear, and Star Tours for new experiences/lands.

 

[mickEblu]

Here is the DCA attractions minus shows and M&G.

Jumpin' Jellyfish 1 minutes
Francis' Ladybug Boogie 1 minutes
Luigi's Rollickin' Roadsters 1.3 minutes
Goofy's Sky School 1.5 minutes
Flik's Flyers 1.5 minutes
Silly Symphony Swings - Single 2 minutes
Mater's Junkyard Jamboree 2 minutes
King Triton's Carousel 2 minutes
Heimlich's Chew Chew Train 2 minutes
Tuck and Roll's Drive 'Em Buggies 2 minutes
Golden Zephyr 2.5 minutes
California Screamin' 4 minutes
Soarin' Around the World 4.5 minutes
Monsters, Inc. Mike & Sulley to the Rescue! 5 minutes
Guardians of the Galaxy – Mission: BREAKOUT! 6 minutes
Radiator Springs Racers 6 minutes
The Little Mermaid ~ Ariel's Undersea Adventure 7 minutes
Grizzly River Run 7 minutes
Toy Story Midway Mania! 8 minutes
Mickey's Fun Wheel - Non Swinging 9 minutes
It's Tough to Be a Bug! 10 minutes
Red Car Trolley 11 minutes

GOTG 6 minutes??? Is that including the pre show and the time I spend cussing out Chapek in my mind as I walk up Hollywood Blvd towards the attraction?

 

[mickEblu]

I think they were factoring in the breakdowns.

LOL

 

[MisterPenguin]

These seem pretty spot on. The one that sticks out to me is Indy. 10 minutes? I would have guessed 5 or 6.

Just checked a YouTube video, from the time the jeep start moving to stopping in the disembarking queue it's 3.5 minutes.

 

[mickEblu]

You don't think building an expansive giant attraction with dozens of AA's, physical sets, and groundbreaking technology is N appropriate use? I'd rather have a few more IJA scaled attractions and fewer meet and greets/shops.

Plus, we dont know how much of the building is going to feature shops, queue, restaurants, etc.

And Disneyland still has all of Autopia, Subs, Motorboat Cruise, Innoventions, Buzz Lightyear, and Star Tours for new experiences/lands.

Yeah the size of Autopia is crazy. I was looking at the digital park map yesterday and it appears that you could fit the castle / and all the FL courtyard attractions (minus storybookland) in that space x 3.

 

[mickEblu]

Just checked a YouTube video, from the time the jeep start moving to stopping in the disembarking queue it's 3.5 minutes.

That sounds more like it. Where are we finding these numbers?

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Yeah the size of Autopia is crazy. I was looking at the digital park map yesterday and it appears that you could fit the castle / and all the FL courtyard attractions in that space x 3.

Autopia's real-estate is prime for something else to move in. Even if you halved the track, you should still be able to get something new in there.

 

[Phroobar]

Mine came from TouringPlans.

 

[Phroobar]

Autopia's real-estate is prime for something else to move in. Even if you halved the track, you should still be able to get something new in there.

Sure, you can put a second track in the other half. It could be called the Fantasyland Speedway.

 

[Hatbox Ghostbuster]

Sure, you can put a second track in the other half. It could be called the Fantasyland Speedway.

Or you could just remove the whole thing when you refurbish Tomorrowland. Just saying