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dweezil78

dweezil78

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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
No, YOU C'mon now! :)

I'm clearly not going to convince you of this, so let's just agree to disagree.

Maybe one day we can all be cool as this guy. (slight language warning)

There appears to be no shortage of "getting drunk at Disneyland" videos either...yay 2018 Disney parks!
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Well that's the thing. Obnoxious drunk people are already getting drunk at Disneyland. They are not the same people putting down big $$$ for nice table service meals.
 
dweezil78

dweezil78

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TROR said:
Leave the trash at DCA where it belongs. Don't bring it into my wholesome Disneyland.
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The show is mighty spicy… we thought we oughta warn ya…
Each Chorus girl is a raving beauty, I love my wife, but, oh you cutie!

Wholesome indeed.

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Practical Pig

Practical Pig

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Just a friendly reminder that for over four years, Walt himself operated Beerland Holidayland at his wholesome Disneyland. While not inside the berm, it had direct guest access to the park as quick and easy as it will be to walk under the berm from Frontierland into Galaxy's Edge. Guests who wanted alcohol could just walk over and buy it, and drink it there. Technically it wasn't "inside" the park, but functionally identical to buying a drink in the Cantina and drinking it there.

Walt wanted both the wholesome image of prohibition, and the profits from alcohol sales.

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Hatbox Ghostbuster

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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Practical Pig said:
Just a friendly reminder that for over four years, Walt himself operated Beerland Holidayland at his wholesome Disneyland. While not inside the berm, it had direct guest access to the park as quick and easy as it will be to walk under the berm from Frontierland into Galaxy's Edge. Guests who wanted alcohol could just walk over and buy it, and drink it there. Technically it wasn't "inside" the park, but functionally identical to buying a drink in the Cantina and drinking it there.

Walt wanted both the wholesome image of prohibition, and the profits from alcohol sales.

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"While not inside the berm..."
"Technically it wasn't "inside" the park..."
"Walt wanted both the wholesome image of prohibition, and the profits from alcohol sales."

Wait, you mean...like how it is now with DTD serving drinks?!?!?!
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TROR

TROR

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I, for one, don't care what some old dead guy thinks. My opinion is wine should be sold at the Blue Bayou and that's the only alcohol allowed to be served in the entire resort.
 
Practical Pig

Practical Pig

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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
Can't really fault the guy for trying to set a standard of decorum in a family park that he knew would be heavily populated by children. But I guess not everyone agrees with that.
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I certainly don't fault his astute business acumen in this regard, but Holidayland, while it lasted, was his way of circumventing his own prohibition. Access to booze stands was considerably easier there and then, than exiting the parks into DTD, securing a table in a bar or restaurant, waiting, ordering, waiting longer, consuming, and reentering through the main gates is now. So no, it was not the same situation as DTD is now. It was much faster and more convenient.
 
dweezil78

dweezil78

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My last point was buried in my earlier post, so I will stress it again. When Walt died, anyone could pay $2 and walk right into the gates of Disneyland park. You add alcohol to that and you can easily attract the wrong clientele. It is completely understandable that, with that pricing model, why Walt would not have wanted alcohol in the park at that time. If you were visiting the park and putting down $$$ to enjoy attractions with your family while others were there to consume alcohol and engage in mischief, it would clearly not be a great experience.

We are in a very, very, very different era in Disneyland's timeline now. People are paying hundreds to enter the park and thousands to stay there for vacation. Surely, when Walt made this decision about alcohol, he was in a very different mindset about Disneyland and it's customers.

If you want to hold on to a decision he made back then, you are completely ignoring the 50+ years of evolution the park, its customers, and its status as an entertainment/vacation destination has seen.
 
Hatbox Ghostbuster

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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dweezil78 said:
My last point was buried in my earlier post, so I will stress it again. When Walt died, anyone could pay $2 and walk right into the gates of Disneyland park. You add alcohol to that and you can easily attract the wrong clientele. It is completely understandable that, with that pricing model, why Walt would not have wanted alcohol in the park at that time. If you were visiting the park and putting down $$$ to enjoy attractions with your family while others were there to consume alcohol and engage in mischief, it would clearly not be a great experience.

We are in a very, very, very different era in Disneyland's timeline now. People are paying hundreds to enter the park and thousands to stay there for vacation. Surely, when Walt made this decision about alcohol, he was in a very different mindset about Disneyland and it's customers.

If you want to hold on to a decision he made back then, you are completely ignoring the 50+ years of evolution the park, its customers, and its status as an entertainment/vacation destination has seen.
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So...since people are paying more now to experience Disneyland...they're somehow also 50 years more sophisticated and high caliber clientele who are entiteld to a drink?? That's a verrrrry weak argument. 50 years of inflation and greedy business practices are why people are paying so much now. It has nothing to do with anything.

Look, we're not getting anywhere here. Let's just agree to disagree and enjoy the parks in our own ways. I'm not blind enough to see that current management aren't probably planning to bring in table-service drinks at some point (probably starting with the cantina). And just like the red-head change, it's something I'll have to get used to.

Carry on.
 
dweezil78

dweezil78

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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
So...since people are paying more now to experience Disneyland...they're somehow also 50 years more sophisticated and high caliber clientele who are entiteld to a drink?? That's a verrrrry weak argument. 50 years of inflation and greedy business practices are why people are paying so much now. It has nothing to do with anything.
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I'm not ready to carry on, because I don't think you entirely grasp what I'm saying. My point was not that they are paying more -- but the entire business model for Disneyland is entirely different. It was once akin to a 'freemium' model, but that is no longer the case.

My final parting thought -- Walt was clearly OK with testing the waters with alcohol by having it available at Club 33. He passed away before Blue Bayou, Disneyland's first fine-dining establishment, even had a chance to open. This was a transitional time for Disneyland as the entire park was being elevated and becoming more sophisticated -- both in terms of dining and attractions. I truly believe, had the man lived another decade, he would have changed his tune on alcohol to some degree.
 
Hatbox Ghostbuster

Hatbox Ghostbuster

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dweezil78 said:
I'm not ready to carry on, because I don't think you entirely grasp what I'm saying. My point was not that they are paying more -- but the entire business model for Disneyland is entirely different. It was once akin to a 'freemium' model, but that is no longer the case.

My final parting thought -- Walt was clearly OK with testing the waters with alcohol by having it available at Club 33. He passed away before Blue Bayou, Disneyland's first fine-dining establishment, even had a chance to open. This was a transitional time for Disneyland as the entire park was being elevated and becoming more sophisticated -- both in terms of dining and attractions. I truly believe, had the man lived another decade, he would have changed his tune on alcohol to some degree.
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Well if it doesn't matter to people what Walt did when he was living, why would anyone bother to consider what Walt "would" have done had he lived longer?

You're right, I don't grasp what you're saying about the model of Disneyland Park being different. As far as I can tell, it's still a family-oriented theme park. Any arguments about the resort at large don't work because acohol is readliy available everywhere else.

Let's try coming at this issue from a different vantage point. What about not selling alcohol within the berm has been to Disney's disadvantage? The park is doing better business than it arguably ever has. Everyone who comes to the DLR already knows where they can obtain their chosen drinks. I fail to see how not offering booze to park guests has been a negative in any way, apart from causing thirsty folks to have to walk a bit. I have yet to hear a convincing and compelling argument that selling drinks within the berm would somehow enhance the magic for everyone.
 
dweezil78

dweezil78

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Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
Well if it doesn't matter to people what Walt did when he was living, why would anyone bother to consider what Walt "would" have done had he lived longer?
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No clue. Walt did a lot of things that people should not and do not do in 2018. The man was a creative visionary, but he wasn't a god whose every word should be adhered to and worshipped.

Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
You're right, I don't grasp what you're saying about the model of Disneyland Park being different. As far as I can tell, it's still a family-oriented theme park. Any arguments about the resort at large don't work because acohol is readliy available everywhere else.
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I said "business model." If you do not see how that is different, do some reading on what a business model is and how changing one can have a profound impact on a business' clientele and overall operations.

Hatbox Ghostbuster said:
I fail to see how not offering booze to park guests has been a negative in any way, apart from causing thirsty folks to have to walk a bit. I have yet to hear a convincing and compelling argument that selling drinks within the berm would somehow enhance the magic for everyone.
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That's precisely the point. Why should I have to interrupt the flow of my day at the park to arbitrarily go spend my $$$ at somewhere I really don't want, literally feet away from the turnstyles, because of a half-century old Disney blue law? It's a completely unnecessary inconvenience still in place to honor the wishes of a man who I fully believe would have eventually reversed his stance on it if smoking too many cigarettes had not killed him so early on.

And on top of that, if I'm going to drop hundreds of dollars on a nice meal at Blue Bayou, you're GD right I would appreciate having the option of adding a glass of wine to that meal
 

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